Ed Dolan & Melanie

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On Mar 27, 6:20 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 3/27/2011 5:59 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Everyone in the world knows what is meant by the Jew, the Jewish
people
and/or the Jewish religion. Just ask any Arab. And anti-Semite means
anti-Jew. What is there about this that you do not understand?

Heck, most of the Jews in Israel are not even Semites, unlike all Arabs
who are Semites. The original Jewish Semitic population for the most
part
converted to either Christianity or Islam, and became the Palestinians.
And of course, most of the younger non-Orthodox Jews outside Israel
(and a
growing number inside Israel) are not in favor of the virulent form
Zionism has taken.

No Jews ever converted to Islam and damn few ever converted to
Christianity.
And there is nothing virulent about Zionism. If it weren't for Zionism,
there would be no Israel. The only virulence I know about springs from
the
Arabs.

Oh Ed, you are silly.

The main cause of future prejudice against Jews will be due to the
false
contention of the Zionists that Jewish and Zionist are one and the
same,
and the acts of the Zionists against the Palestinians. Insistence on
Palestinian rights is therefore more pro-Jewish than Zionism.

Zionism and Jewish are one and the same. Only self-hating Jews and
deluded
liberals like you think otherwise.

Child, only ignorami who don't know squat about Judaism and ignorant
Jews who think that there is only one way of being Jewish that repeat
this nonsense. Zionism is a late 19th century conception that got
popular in the 20th century with the help of rich British Jews.

As if explaining where it came from has anything to do with what it is
today.

Ashkenazi Jews, who think that they represent all Jewish people have
reproduce this idea and Liberman and IPAC lovers whose knowledge of
history is = to a black whole repeat this as gospel.

There are dozens of ways to explain any historical phenomena. If you had
ever read any history, you would know that.

The only thing that I hate about myself is when I respond to this
nonsense.

I agree! You should shut the **** up when you don't know what you are
talking about.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
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On 3/27/2011 9:59 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
I consider all of the above to be nothing but pure rubbish. There are
plenty
of orthodox Jews living in Israel and benefitting enormously from the
Israeli (Zionist) state. Any Jew who is not a Zionist is a traitor to his
people. Worse than that, such Jews are the scum of the earth, hated
universally ... even by Arabs.

As the old saying goes, "you can lead Ed Dolan to water, but you can't
make him drink."

There is another saying that Liberals are dead to everything except
political correctness. It all comes from their childish desire to feel good
about themselves. Hells Bells, it is not childish, it is infantile. Tom
Sherman resembles no one so much as a cry baby.

Tom Sherman does not like the State of Israel. I do! He does not like Jews.
I do! He likes Palestinians. I don't! He likes Arabs. I don't! I have never
yet heard him say one word against Islam and the Muslim terrorists. His
attitudes border on being treasonous to the US.

Folks, it all comes from not knowing your ass from a hole in the ground. But
that is the perennial predicament of all politically correct liberals. I
would feel sorry for them if they weren't so influential - something that is
going to change in the next general election.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 3/28/2011 3:54 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in
message ...
On 3/27/2011 9:59 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
I consider all of the above to be nothing but pure rubbish. There are
plenty
of orthodox Jews living in Israel and benefitting enormously from the
Israeli (Zionist) state. Any Jew who is not a Zionist is a traitor to his
people. Worse than that, such Jews are the scum of the earth, hated
universally ... even by Arabs.

As the old saying goes, "you can lead Ed Dolan to water, but you can't
make him drink."

There is another saying that Liberals are dead to everything except
political correctness. It all comes from their childish desire to feel good
about themselves. Hells Bells, it is not childish, it is infantile. Tom
Sherman resembles no one so much as a cry baby.

Yawn

Tom Sherman does not like the State of Israel. I do! He does not like Jews.

I have no objections to any people based on who their ancestors were.

I do! He likes Palestinians. I don't! He likes Arabs. I don't! I have never
yet heard him say one word against Islam and the Muslim terrorists. His
attitudes border on being treasonous to the US.

No, Ed, it is people such as you that would put the interests of another
country ahead of the one they are citizens of (in this case the US) that
are acting in a treasonous manner.

The invasion of Iraq, which has depleted the treasury bringing economic
misery to millions of USians and caused the deaths of over 4,000 USians
who signed up to the US military to serve the *US*, was treasonous to
the US, as it was done at the instigation of the Zionist lobby to
benefit (so they believe) Israel, not the US.

Ed Dolan should be aware that Israel is *not* part of the US, and in
fact, Israel has declined to form a mutual defense treaty with the US.
Unconditional support of Israel is *not* in the best interests of the
US, so those who know so but still advocate the policy are treasonous.

Islam is not an inherently violent religion. The terrorist support
comes from them being the only people to stand up against being lackeys
to western corporations and Zionist interests. Remove the client
governments in Islamic nations with ones that represent the people, and
terrorism will disappear. Of course, the US people are not told this,
since it does not serve the interests of an elite few.

Folks, it all comes from not knowing your ass from a hole in the ground. But
that is the perennial predicament of all politically correct liberals. I
would feel sorry for them if they weren't so influential - something that is
going to change in the next general election.

If and when the general public in the US figures out what has been going
on, the corporate lackeys and the Zionist in the US government will be
out on their asses, since they have betrayed the interests of the
people. The truth can only be suppressed for so long - ask Mubarak and
Ben Ali.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On Mar 28, 12:27*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
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On Mar 27, 6:20 am, T m Sherm n _ ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI



$southslope.net" wrote:
On 3/27/2011 5:59 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Everyone in the world knows what is meant by the Jew, the Jewish
people
and/or the Jewish religion. Just ask any Arab. And anti-Semite means
anti-Jew. What is there about this that you do not understand?

Heck, most of the Jews in Israel are not even Semites, unlike all Arabs
who are Semites. The original Jewish Semitic population for the most
part
converted to either Christianity or Islam, and became the Palestinians.
And of course, most of the younger non-Orthodox Jews outside Israel
(and a
growing number inside Israel) are not in favor of the virulent form
Zionism has taken.

No Jews ever converted to Islam and damn few ever converted to
Christianity.
And there is nothing virulent about Zionism. If it weren't for Zionism,
there would be no Israel. The only virulence I know about springs from
the
Arabs.

Oh Ed, you are silly.

The main cause of future prejudice against Jews will be due to the
false
contention of the Zionists that Jewish and Zionist are one and the
same,
and the acts of the Zionists against the Palestinians. Insistence on
Palestinian rights is therefore more pro-Jewish than Zionism.

Zionism and Jewish are one and the same. Only self-hating Jews and
deluded
liberals like you think otherwise.
Child, only ignorami who don't know squat about Judaism and ignorant

Jews who think that there is only one way of being Jewish that repeat
this nonsense. Zionism is a late 19th century conception that got
popular in the 20th century with the help of rich British Jews.

As if explaining where it came from has anything to do with what it is
today.

Ashkenazi Jews, who think that they represent all Jewish people have

reproduce this idea and Liberman and IPAC lovers whose knowledge of
history is = to a black whole repeat this as gospel.

There are dozens of ways to explain any historical phenomena. If you had
ever read any history, you would know that.

The only thing that I hate about myself is when I respond to this

nonsense.

I agree! You should shut the **** up when you don't know what you are
talking about.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Dearest Ed:

Well, I guess that I will have to go slowly since this seems to be a
difficult topic that people don't know much about.

The idea of grouping emerges from the obvious, which is that there
aren't any identical things, mathematically or physically. Not even
one thing can be identical to itself. So, grouping or categorizing is
basically putting together those things that are similar but have
differences between each other. All groups have difference and
various subgroups that can continue to be divided almost endlessly.
Human groups in particular have tremendous differences, so assertions
of uniformity are simply lack of information.

Judaism as group is rich and varied, and arguing that all Jews are
Zionists is not acknowledging that people have different histories
within the large Jewish group. Any historical examination of Judaism
reveals all these differences.

Major subgroups of Judaism are Ashkenazi (Eastern European); Sephardi
(Semitic, Arabic); Persian; African. There are the Crypto Jews and
probably several other smaller groups.

Zionism emerges in Europe in the late 1800s with Theodor Hertzl, as a
European (Ashkenazi movement). The principle behind it was that
European Jews should find a place in the world where they could live
in peace, since Europe had not been too friendly to them.

The movement gains support from wealthy Jews particularly in Britain
and they consider places where Britain has power over as possible
locations for a Jewish country. Two of the places considered are
Argentina and Kenya. While Palestine is casually considered at this
point, it was under the Turkish protectorate and it had little chance
of succeeding. Moreover Ashkenazim visitors to Palestine find Arab
Jews not to their liking and consider them inferior since they were
mostly farmers.

The vast majority of Eastern European Jews had no idea of the Zionist
movement nor they had any desire to move to the middle east. Most
immigration was to the US, Argentina and Mexico. Only when Palestine
falls under the British mandate in 1922, there is serious
consideration of moving to Palestine, and the Zionist movement
emerges. Still, it does not gain popularity until the 1930s when Jew
begin to get rounded up into ghettos first, and then concentration
camps.

Before the 30s, most Jews had never heard of a Zionist movement and
Persian, African and Zephardi Jews were not part of this movement
since they originally had not intention to move away from their
homelands. It was essentially an upper class Ashkenazi initiative.
Those European Jews with resources were able to buy their way to
Palestine during WW2, and in in the 40s an organized Zionist movement
emerges in Europe.

This was a very simplified history that has many more nuances. If you
know of an alternative history of Judaism or interpretation of it, I
like to hear it, since, as you say, there are multiple histories o
interpretations of it. I'll be glad to refer you to my sources if you
like. In the meanwhile, I'll shut the **** up as you suggest. But, if
you can't articulate an alternative history, I suggest that you shut
the **** up too, not because your opinions bother me, but because you
truly sound like an ignorant dumbass.

Cordially, XOXOXO

wrote:

Major subgroups of Judaism are Ashkenazi (Eastern European); Sephardi
(Semitic, Arabic); Persian; African. There are the Crypto Jews and
probably several other smaller groups.

What about...

People's Front of Judea?
Judean People's Front? (splitters)
Judean Popular People's Front?
Campaign for a Free Galilee?
Popular Front of Judea?

Of course, you'd have to _really_ hate the Romans to join the PFJ, a lot.

JS.

On 3/28/2011 3:45 PM, James Steward wrote:
wrote:

Major subgroups of Judaism are Ashkenazi (Eastern European); Sephardi
(Semitic, Arabic); Persian; African. There are the Crypto Jews and
probably several other smaller groups.

What about...

People's Front of Judea?
Judean People's Front? (splitters)
Judean Popular People's Front?
Campaign for a Free Galilee?
Popular Front of Judea?

Of course, you'd have to _really_ hate the Romans to join the PFJ, a lot.

JS.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE&feature=related.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
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On 3/28/2011 3:54 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Tom Sherman does not like the State of Israel. I do! He does not like
Jews.

I have no objections to any people based on who their ancestors were.

Another politically correct liberal attitude. Tom Sherman does not even have
sense enough to hate those who hate him - like Islamic jihadists for
instance.

I do! He likes Palestinians. I don't! He likes Arabs. I don't! I have
never
yet heard him say one word against Islam and the Muslim terrorists. His
attitudes border on being treasonous to the US.

No, Ed, it is people such as you that would put the interests of another
country ahead of the one they are citizens of (in this case the US) that
are acting in a treasonous manner.

Our interests are identical with Israel. Of course, it always help to know
who your friends are, something that those with treasonous souls and
duplicitous natures can never figure out.

The invasion of Iraq, which has depleted the treasury bringing economic
misery to millions of USians and caused the deaths of over 4,000 USians
who signed up to the US military to serve the *US*, was treasonous to the
US, as it was done at the instigation of the Zionist lobby to benefit (so
they believe) Israel, not the US.

We never got so much for so little. George Bush stands right next to Patton
in my Hall of Fame.

Ed Dolan should be aware that Israel is *not* part of the US, and in fact,
Israel has declined to form a mutual defense treaty with the US.
Unconditional support of Israel is *not* in the best interests of the US,
so those who know so but still advocate the policy are treasonous.

Israel could be our 51st state, or we could exchange a ****ed-up state like
California for Israel just to keep the number at 50.

Islam is not an inherently violent religion. The terrorist support comes
from them being the only people to stand up against being lackeys to
western corporations and Zionist interests. Remove the client governments
in Islamic nations with ones that represent the people, and terrorism will
disappear. Of course, the US people are not told this, since it does not
serve the interests of an elite few.

You do not know one damn thing about Islam. All you know are the politically
correct attitudes about it. But Hells Bells, that is all you ever know about
anything under the sun.

Folks, it all comes from not knowing your ass from a hole in the ground.
But
that is the perennial predicament of all politically correct liberals. I
would feel sorry for them if they weren't so influential - something that
is
going to change in the next general election.

If and when the general public in the US figures out what has been going
on, the corporate lackeys and the Zionist in the US government will be out
on their asses, since they have betrayed the interests of the people. The
truth can only be suppressed for so long - ask Mubarak and Ben Ali.

Mr. Sherman is for the street Arabs even though Gaza is the poster child for
them. But he is for the proletariat in general, even though all they have
ever given the world is dictatorship and mass murder.

The Arabs deserve the kind of governments they have had for the past couple
of generations. It stems from their despicable religion. It keeps them
subjects and incapable of citizenship. It also keeps them permanently poor.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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On Mar 28, 12:27 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]
There are dozens of ways to explain any historical phenomena. If you had
ever read any history, you would know that.
[...]

Dearest Ed:

Well, I guess that I will have to go slowly since this seems to be a
difficult topic that people don't know much about.

The idea of grouping emerges from the obvious, which is that there
aren't any identical things, mathematically or physically. Not even
one thing can be identical to itself. So, grouping or categorizing is
basically putting together those things that are similar but have
differences between each other. All groups have difference and
various subgroups that can continue to be divided almost endlessly.
Human groups in particular have tremendous differences, so assertions
of uniformity are simply lack of information.

We are already off to a bad start. All the social sciences are based on
identifying commonalities. Furthermore, it is common observance that
everyone identifies according to group criteria, not individual differences
which hardly count at all in the grand scheme of things.

Judaism as group is rich and varied, and arguing that all Jews are
Zionists is not acknowledging that people have different histories
within the large Jewish group. Any historical examination of Judaism
reveals all these differences.

What do all Jews have in common? That is the only question I am interested
in.

Major subgroups of Judaism are Ashkenazi (Eastern European); Sephardi
(Semitic, Arabic); Persian; African. There are the Crypto Jews and
probably several other smaller groups.

Zionism emerges in Europe in the late 1800s with Theodor Hertzl, as a
European (Ashkenazi movement). The principle behind it was that
European Jews should find a place in the world where they could live
in peace, since Europe had not been too friendly to them.

The movement gains support from wealthy Jews particularly in Britain
and they consider places where Britain has power over as possible
locations for a Jewish country. Two of the places considered are
Argentina and Kenya. While Palestine is casually considered at this
point, it was under the Turkish protectorate and it had little chance
of succeeding. Moreover Ashkenazim visitors to Palestine find Arab
Jews not to their liking and consider them inferior since they were
mostly farmers.

The vast majority of Eastern European Jews had no idea of the Zionist
movement nor they had any desire to move to the middle east. Most
immigration was to the US, Argentina and Mexico. Only when Palestine
falls under the British mandate in 1922, there is serious
consideration of moving to Palestine, and the Zionist movement
emerges. Still, it does not gain popularity until the 1930s when Jew
begin to get rounded up into ghettos first, and then concentration
camps.

Before the 30s, most Jews had never heard of a Zionist movement and
Persian, African and Zephardi Jews were not part of this movement
since they originally had not intention to move away from their
homelands. It was essentially an upper class Ashkenazi initiative.
Those European Jews with resources were able to buy their way to
Palestine during WW2, and in in the 40s an organized Zionist movement
emerges in Europe.

Assume you have the history right. So what? Palestine was the only logical
place for a Jewish state since it was the land of the Jews from time
immemorial. A Jew with a brain in his head is going to be a Zionist whether
he wants to live there or not. Any other way of thinking about it is an
absurdity.

This was a very simplified history that has many more nuances. If you
know of an alternative history of Judaism or interpretation of it, I
like to hear it, since, as you say, there are multiple histories o
interpretations of it. I'll be glad to refer you to my sources if you
like. In the meanwhile, I'll shut the **** up as you suggest. But, if
you can't articulate an alternative history, I suggest that you shut
the **** up too, not because your opinions bother me, but because you
truly sound like an ignorant dumbass.

Your ****ing history lesson is irrelevant to what matters. I am dealing with
the facts on the ground. No one in this world cares what an Arab sympathizer
and an anti-Zionist like you think since it is prejudicial in the extreme.
Go join Tom Sherman why don't you. He is an Arab lover and a Jew hater just
like you. The only difference between the two of you is that his history is
even more irrelevant than yours.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

-snippy snip snip-

Edward Dolan wrote:
Israel could be our 51st state, or we could exchange a ****ed-up state like
California for Israel just to keep the number at 50.

That would be a great swap.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 3/28/2011 6:58 PM, A. Muzi wrote:
-snippy snip snip-

Edward Dolan wrote:
Israel could be our 51st state, or we could exchange a ****ed-up state
like California for Israel just to keep the number at 50.

That would be a great swap.


Yes, we need more nutcases such as this:

"Leibowitz is right. We are Judeo-Nazis, and why not? ... Even today I
am willing to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as
necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate
us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of diaspora Jews, so that
they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one
or two synagogues here and there, I don't care. And I don't mind if
after the job is done you put me in front of a Nurnberg trial and jail
me for life. Hang me if you want as a war criminal ... What you lot
don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet,
far from it. True, it could have been finished in 1948 ..."

From Uri Davis's 'Apartheid Israel':
http://books.google.com/books?isbn=1842773399

Of course, the future of Zionism is in good hands:
http://maxblumenthal.com/feeling-the-hate-in-jerusalem/.

With the Arab re-awakening and the decline of the US due to imperial
over-reach, the Israelis will eventually suffer the same fate as
previous European invaders of Palestine, the Crusaders. Maybe not in
our lifetimes, but the Arabs will not forget the Nakba in 100 years, or
even in 1,000 years. The time to get serious about peacemaking (i.e.
the single, democratic state solution) is now, where no one loses,
except the religious fanatics who want genocide.

And just for enjoyment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTimj1Dc2mo&feature=player_embedded.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.