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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
On 01/09/18 01:42, JNugent wrote:
On 31/08/2018 20:21, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 13:53, JNugent wrote: On 31/08/2018 13:15, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 10:59, JNugent wrote: You get more weird with every post, it seems. You want weird? On 07/06/18 17:23, JNugent wrote: "It all arises out of experience and acquired information, much of it gained in this very NG". You should cease having fantasies about your "observed experiences" being of value. You seem to think it is not possible to acquire information via reading. Wrong. You lumped experience and information together in the phrase I quoted. Ah.. right... I get it now. You just aren't very good at comprehension Leave out one subject or the other and the sentence makes sense either way. "It all arises out of experience, much of it gained in this very NG". "It all arises out of acquired information, much of it gained in this very NG" |
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On 01/09/2018 20:19, TMS320 wrote:
On 01/09/18 01:42, JNugent wrote: On 31/08/2018 20:21, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 13:53, JNugent wrote: On 31/08/2018 13:15, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 10:59, JNugent wrote: You get more weird with every post, it seems. You want weird? On 07/06/18 17:23, JNugent wrote: "It all arises out of experience and acquired information, much of it gained in this very NG". You should cease having fantasies about your "observed experiences" being of value. You seem to think it is not possible to acquire information via reading. Wrong. You lumped experience and information together in the phrase I quoted. Ah.. right... I get it now. You just aren't very good at comprehension Leave out one subject or the other and the sentence makes sense either way. "It all arises out of experience, much of it gained in this very NG". "It all arises out of acquired information, much of it gained in this very NG" It was information to which the qualifying clause referred. I hope that is helpful. BTW, I wouldn't dismiss some of the things I've seen and read here over the yeras as non-experiences. |
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On 01/09/18 20:38, JNugent wrote:
BTW, I wouldn't dismiss some of the things I've seen and read here over the yeras as non-experiences. From what you have written over time, I have gained a mental image of you which could be counted as some sort of experience. But it's certain I wouldn't recognise you in the flesh. That's roughly about the size your "experience" amounts to. |
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On 01/09/2018 22:44, TMS320 wrote:
On 01/09/18 20:38, JNugent wrote: BTW, I wouldn't dismiss some of the things I've seen and read here over the yeras as non-experiences. From what you have written over time, I have gained a mental image of you which could be counted as some sort of experience. But it's certain I wouldn't recognise you in the flesh. That's roughly about the size your "experience" amounts to. As cryptic as ever. Keep it up. |
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Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:53:41 AM UTC+1, NY wrote: "TMS320" wrote in message news In the US, as mainland Europe, vehicles and pedestrians going straight on at traffic lights are treated as equal and pedestrians have strict priority over turning vehicles. They will get green lights at the same time. In the UK, a pedestrian phase always turns vehicular traffic lights red. I noticed in small-town Massachusetts (Ipswich and Georgetown) drivers were much more willing to stop for a pedestrian who looked as if they *might* be about to cross the road - and nowhere near a "Ped Xing" (pedestrian crossing - the signs sat Ped Xing). It happened once when I was looking at a house ont he opposite side of the road, with my body facing forward along the road: as soon as I turned my head, a car stopped in anticipation that I was about to cross. I remember being at a pedestrian crossing in Oslo some years ago. When the pedestrian light turned green the pedestrians walked into the road without looking and the cars stopped. In the UK there would be mass casualties and the victims would be blamed because cars are not obliged to stop for pedestrians until the traffic light has been red for 10 seconds. My wife and I rode through the Netherlands in 2009, and it took us a while to get used to how car drivers would stop on roundabouts to let us pass through roundabouts. The British car driver is the worst, most arrogant pile of **** in the world. -- john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons) 'It never gets any easier. You just get faster' (Greg LeMond (1961 - )) |
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JNugent wrote:
This... If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). .... is why this waste of space should be dealt with - preferably by means of a claw hammer between the eyes. Y. -- john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons) 'It never gets any easier. You just get faster' (Greg LeMond (1961 - )) |
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TMS320 wrote:
On 31/08/18 13:13, NY wrote: As a pedestrian, I would never step off the pavement unless I could see that the road was clear: I would never *make* a car stop for me with the single exception of a zebra crossing. That's the observed behaviour of most pedestrians in the UK, which drivers have come to take advantage of. It requires agility and a plan B to assert your rights. And we don't have presumed liability as a backup. I got shouted at by a taxi driver because I was walking in the carriageway, on one of the streets perpendicular to Oxford Street. When I asked him what I had done that was illegal, he threatened to hit me. So I pre-empted him by punching him through his open window. He then threatened to call the police. When I took my iPhone out of my pocket and dialed 999, he drove away. I think I split his nose, as he was bleeding onto his top lip. -- john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons) 'It never gets any easier. You just get faster' (Greg LeMond (1961 - )) |
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"Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee" wrote in
message ... TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 13:13, NY wrote: As a pedestrian, I would never step off the pavement unless I could see that the road was clear: I would never *make* a car stop for me with the single exception of a zebra crossing. That's the observed behaviour of most pedestrians in the UK, which drivers have come to take advantage of. It requires agility and a plan B to assert your rights. And we don't have presumed liability as a backup. I would say that the one place where pedestrians should NEVER cross unless the road is clear is at a junction, because drivers cannot see round the corner until they get very close, and they are then concentrating on other vehicles to whom they may have to give way or who should give way to them. That is why I would never assume that car is going to stop for me: it has always bewildered me that road traffic laws were ever made in that way. Making a vehicle stop half-way round a junction is a Bad Idea, because it blocks traffic behind them that is *not* turning. And my question still stands: how far along the road that the pedestrians are crossing do "zebra crossing" rules apply? If a pedestrian is standing at the kerb, waiting to cross (ie not yet in the road), I am not normally required to stop for him, except if there is a zebra crossing or if it is at a junction - but how far from that junction does the obligation stop? I'd say roughly the line of the buildings on the road that I am about to join. None of this negates the common sense rule that if a pedestrian is already in the road all other vehicles (and yes, that includes bicycles!) should do their level best to stop for them, irrespective of who has precedence over whom. When I use a zebra crossing, I never step blindly into the road. I assert my intention to cross by standing there, usually establish eye contact with the driver and wait until the car is stopped (or is clearly going to have stopped before it reaches the zebra markings) and only then step of the kerb. The fact that legally a car travelling at any speed *must* stop for a pedestrian waiting at a zebra crossing is not something I want to rely on... What are the *official* rules about pedestrians who walk into the middle of a zebra crossing and then stand there - eg when making a protest? Is there some sort of rule that says that this is abusing the use of crossing which is designed for people to cross? Do the police have any powers to move someone on if they either stand on the zebra or keep crossing backwards and forwards, clearly not using the crossing to get from one side of the road and then continue their journey in the same direction without doubling back. |
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As a pedestrian, I would never step off the pavement unless I could see
that the road was clear: I would never *make* a car stop for me with the single exception of a zebra crossing. That's the observed behaviour of most pedestrians in the UK, which drivers have come to take advantage of. It requires agility and a plan B to assert your rights. And we don't have presumed liability as a backup. I would say that the one place where pedestrians should NEVER cross unless the road is clear is at a junction, because drivers cannot see round the corner until they get very close, Transponder receivers are so cheap they should be mandatory in every vehicle. The transponders are even cheaper and could be worn by cyclists, pedestrians and motorcyclists who want to stay alive. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ng/lnf9rduKhuY If I can't get cyclists groups on it I'll go to the insurance industry. Bret Cahill |
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On 04/09/2018 11:23, NY wrote:
I would say that the one place where pedestrians should NEVER cross unless the road is clear is at a junction, If you want to say that, explain when 'the road is clear'. And my question still stands: how far along the road that the pedestrians are crossing do "zebra crossing" rules apply? If a pedestrian is standing at the kerb, waiting to cross (ie not yet in the road), I am not normally required to stop for him, except if there is a zebra crossing or if it is at a junction - but how far from that junction does the obligation stop? You are not required to stop for a pedestrian standing on the kerb even at a zebra. What are the *official* rules about pedestrians who walk into the middle of a zebra crossing and then stand there - eg when making a protest? http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1...lation/19/made 19. No pedestrian shall remain on the carriageway within the limits of a crossing longer than is necessary for that pedestrian to pass over the crossing with reasonable despatch. Is there some sort of rule that says that this is abusing the use of crossing which is designed for people to cross? Do the police have any powers to move someone on if they either stand on the zebra or keep crossing backwards and forwards, clearly not using the crossing to get from one side of the road and then continue their journey in the same direction without doubling back. Yes. |
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