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Ride an SUB not an SUV
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Amy Blankenship wrote: "Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message et... I've been to Denmark. For cycling, it has one overriding feature that much of the United States lacks: flatness. Not false flatness like the US plains, but real table-like flatness. That's *flat* silly. *Many* areas of the US have *way* more flatness than Denmark. My British husband was commenting on how nice it was to see actual hills in Denmark compared to here. We talking about the same Denmark? North part of Europe, lots of windmills? Highest natural point 171m (561 feet) above sea level? It's flat. Additionally, I have seen cyclists going *faster* than the speed limit (30 mph) on extreme slopes in Texas. great view from behind, let me tell you. Presumably on the downslope. I've seen cyclists go 50mph down a hill in Philadelphia. But the route to the top of that hill isn't called "the Wall" for nothing. It's a hard climb. There are hills around me which I can do 40+mph on, but again, it's a hard climb to get up to them. They're easier than the one on my path to work; I've climbed that one a few times, and doing it twice every day is just not practical. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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Ride an BUS not an SUV
"Amy Blankenship" wrote in
: For one thing, several weeks a year is better than no weeks a year, even if what you say is true. However, in most climates it is possible to have fresh, in-season vegetables most of the year if you make it attractive to local farmers to grow them. We make it attactive in Los Angeles by joining vegetable co-ops. They have some fields right in the city. So, they aren't necessarily farmers per se. They might have other professions. |
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Ride an BUS not an SUV
"Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "George Conklin" wrote in message link.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "George Conklin" wrote in message ink.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message .. . "George Conklin" wrote in message rthlink.net... "Dan" wrote in message .. . And besides, people will always use their cars for shopping even if they Not me. In Germany I always used the basket on my bicycle. Going shopping every day for something to eat is a total waste of time. It is when your tastebuds have gotten used to the taste of food that is not fresh. What is sold as fresh is NOT fresh. IT is shipped from Mexico and CA and many other distant places. So true. That is why it is important to know who your local farmers are, and buy from them. In most climates, you get fresh produce like that several weeks a year, just like in the old days. That is back in the era of bad diets, high death rates, and food of unknown origin. For one thing, several weeks a year is better than no weeks a year, even if what you say is true. However, in most climates it is possible to have fresh, in-season vegetables most of the year if you make it attractive to local farmers to grow them. They could only be grown indoors in most areas. In the olden days, people did not have fresh fruit except in season. That included apples and other fruit which had to be dried or canned. Even fresh meat was hard to come by. My wife grew up on a sharecropper farm and they would can meat for the winter, etc. An organge for Xmas was a treat in most of the world until they were shipped year round. |
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Ride an SUB not an SUV
"Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "George Conklin" wrote in message ink.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message .. . ... NYC has a massive transit system. And no one carried groceries on it, for example. No one. And you want to school/work standing up the whole way, packed in like a sardine. At best some people tried to read a newspaper. Others did nothing but stand there....most of them. Off-hours you could get a seat only. That is foolish. The seats are there. You are saying that literally *no one* sat in them during peak hours? They are always full. You have obviously never dealt with mass transit, just your idle dreams. Sad. First, if they are always full, clearly it is possible to get a seat, since there are, in fact, people sitting in them who did just that. You are thinking of a bus, where most people can sit. On the subway, most people stand a few can sit, if they get on at the end of the line or just luck out. But most stand. Most but not all. This means that some are sitting so clearly it *is* possible to get a seat. For a minority. So? You sound like a planner: in my city everyone will sit in the subway because if 20% can, then all can, in principle. Ha Ha Ha. |
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Ride an SUB not an SUV
"Clark F Morris" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:23:15 GMT, "George Conklin" wrote: "Clark F Morris" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:24:46 GMT, "George Conklin" wrote: "Doc O'Leary" wrote in message ... In article , "Jack May" wrote: Does no good George. O'Leary is obviously stone cold crazy. He cant understand even the simplest explanations. Could be. It could also be that your simplicity isn't sufficient to run a well-planned transit system. Could be that you're unskilled and unaware of it. NYC has a massive transit system. And no one carried groceries on it, for example. No one. And you want to school/work standing up the whole way, packed in like a sardine. At best some people tried to read a newspaper. Others did nothing but stand there....most of them. Off-hours you could get a seat only. Given that people have posted here that they in fact have carried groceries and other items on the subway, I find the statement that no one carried them to be false. You don't have 20 years experience on mass transit. The whole goal is to buy your food on the way home from a subway stop. You do NOT carry it on the train. When I worked in Bloomfield, New Jersey I carried my clothes to and from the dry cleaner on the bus. I also have carried groceries on the bus. I wouldn't want to do it peak period, peak direction on the number 7 subway line in New York. Or the same train in Bklyn either, in either direction. You could probably do it on a Saturday or a holiday. But who was really going to do that? Remember, you shop every day. Or you send the kids out. For ice cream we went out to Sunday AM and ran home with a pint before it melted. On mass transit, it would be all gone, one mass of melted goo. |
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Ride an SUB not an SUV
"Amy Blankenship" wrote in message news "George Conklin" wrote in message ink.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "George Conklin" wrote in message link.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message .. . "Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message t... In article , Doc O'Leary wrote: In article , (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: All you seem to be able to do is point around at the *infrastructure* built for cars. Buses use the same infrastructure, yet cars have advantages over them. Because the infrastructure is not optimized for busses, You mean that for NYC infrastructure is optimized for HORSES. I've never been to NYC, so I can't comment on how their infrastructure is optimized. I guess not. But the average speed of travel in Manhattan is about the same today as it was in the horse era, minus the 7,000 gallons per day of horse urine and who knows how much crap. You can't put tailpipe emissions in your garden :-). I know that in Germany, little old ladies keep an eye out for passing horses for the brown gold they impart. Kids pick up cow droppings in India so they can be dried and become the fuel for the hearth. Ever had coffee cooked on a cow dung fire? Ever slept on a cow dung floor? I have. |
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Ride an BUS not an SUV
"George Conklin" wrote in message link.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "George Conklin" wrote in message link.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "George Conklin" wrote in message ink.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message .. . "George Conklin" wrote in message rthlink.net... "Dan" wrote in message .. . And besides, people will always use their cars for shopping even if they Not me. In Germany I always used the basket on my bicycle. Going shopping every day for something to eat is a total waste of time. It is when your tastebuds have gotten used to the taste of food that is not fresh. What is sold as fresh is NOT fresh. IT is shipped from Mexico and CA and many other distant places. So true. That is why it is important to know who your local farmers are, and buy from them. In most climates, you get fresh produce like that several weeks a year, just like in the old days. That is back in the era of bad diets, high death rates, and food of unknown origin. For one thing, several weeks a year is better than no weeks a year, even if what you say is true. However, in most climates it is possible to have fresh, in-season vegetables most of the year if you make it attractive to local farmers to grow them. They could only be grown indoors in most areas. In the olden days, people did not have fresh fruit except in season. That included apples and other fruit which had to be dried or canned. Even fresh meat was hard to come by. My wife grew up on a sharecropper farm and they would can meat for the winter, etc. An organge for Xmas was a treat in most of the world until they were shipped year round. I disagree. Brassicas (broccoli, cauliflower, etc.) can be grown all winter in at least 1/2 the zones in the US and well up into the fall (and again in the spring) in most of the rest of it. Most root vegetables can be grown right up until first frost and stored under mulch after that (in areas where they can't be grown all winter). Winter is the best time of year to slaughter any type of domestic meat animal. Hunting season is in the fall, and that is _not_ because game animals are less plentiful then. Oranges actually _are_ in season in the winter (that is when they typically ripen). That they have to be shipped is a function of where they grow, not when they ripen. -Amy |
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Ride an SUB not an SUV
"George Conklin" wrote in message nk.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message news "George Conklin" wrote in message ink.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "George Conklin" wrote in message link.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message .. . "Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message t... In article , Doc O'Leary wrote: In article , (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: All you seem to be able to do is point around at the *infrastructure* built for cars. Buses use the same infrastructure, yet cars have advantages over them. Because the infrastructure is not optimized for busses, You mean that for NYC infrastructure is optimized for HORSES. I've never been to NYC, so I can't comment on how their infrastructure is optimized. I guess not. But the average speed of travel in Manhattan is about the same today as it was in the horse era, minus the 7,000 gallons per day of horse urine and who knows how much crap. You can't put tailpipe emissions in your garden :-). I know that in Germany, little old ladies keep an eye out for passing horses for the brown gold they impart. Kids pick up cow droppings in India so they can be dried and become the fuel for the hearth. Ever had coffee cooked on a cow dung fire? Ever slept on a cow dung floor? I have. So what? That has nothing to do with the discussion. |
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Ride an SUB not an SUV
"Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message ... In article , Amy Blankenship wrote: "Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message news:d7SdnSpHJ4AguZXbnZ2dnUVZ_qGjnZ2d@speakeasy. net... I've been to Denmark. For cycling, it has one overriding feature that much of the United States lacks: flatness. Not false flatness like the US plains, but real table-like flatness. That's *flat* silly. *Many* areas of the US have *way* more flatness than Denmark. My British husband was commenting on how nice it was to see actual hills in Denmark compared to here. We talking about the same Denmark? North part of Europe, lots of windmills? Highest natural point 171m (561 feet) above sea level? It's flat. Not compared to some parts of the US. The highest point in Florida is 345 feet. The highest point in Louisiana is 535 feet. The highest point in Delaware is 448 feet. Only Delaware of those is smaller than Denmark, though not by much. Large parts of Alabama, Mississippi, and Texas are equally flat. The parts of Kansas and Missouri I've been to are also pretty flat. I'd say right there that's more than enough flat parts to justify bikes. Additionally, I have seen cyclists going *faster* than the speed limit (30 mph) on extreme slopes in Texas. great view from behind, let me tell you. Presumably on the downslope. Nope. Up a hill my car was struggling with. It was pretty amazing. I've seen cyclists go 50mph down a hill in Philadelphia. But the route to the top of that hill isn't called "the Wall" for nothing. It's a hard climb. There are hills around me which I can do 40+mph on, but again, it's a hard climb to get up to them. They're easier than the one on my path to work; I've climbed that one a few times, and doing it twice every day is just not practical. There used to be a hill on my way to school (I went to college in one of the hillier parts of Mississippi) that just killed me the first couple of months I did it. But since I had no other means of getting to school I figured it out eventually. |
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Ride an SUB not an SUV
"George Conklin" wrote in message ink.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "George Conklin" wrote in message ink.net... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message .. . ... NYC has a massive transit system. And no one carried groceries on it, for example. No one. And you want to school/work standing up the whole way, packed in like a sardine. At best some people tried to read a newspaper. Others did nothing but stand there....most of them. Off-hours you could get a seat only. That is foolish. The seats are there. You are saying that literally *no one* sat in them during peak hours? They are always full. You have obviously never dealt with mass transit, just your idle dreams. Sad. First, if they are always full, clearly it is possible to get a seat, since there are, in fact, people sitting in them who did just that. You are thinking of a bus, where most people can sit. On the subway, most people stand a few can sit, if they get on at the end of the line or just luck out. But most stand. Most but not all. This means that some are sitting so clearly it *is* possible to get a seat. For a minority. So? You sound like a planner: in my city everyone will sit in the subway because if 20% can, then all can, in principle. Ha Ha Ha. You sound like an idiot who cannot follow simple logic. I never said it was possible for all to do that, just that _your_ statement was patently false. |
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