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  #101  
Old March 9th 07, 01:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
George Conklin
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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
oups.com...
Talking into account that most buses still pollute --if so much less--
here's another T-shirt that emphasizes that buses are unselfish. Yep,
the same way SUVs are an expression of selfishness and egomaniacal
behavior, buses are an expression of good social behavior.

No reason to hide behind tinted windows like SUV owners do...


Look, SUV's are not selfish if you use them because of a need. I haul
4x8 lumber, 10 foot pipe segments AND have a drive in the mountains with a
30 degree slope which requires a 4x4 in wet weather. But I also have a baby
Benz diesel which easily gets 35 mpg.


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  #102  
Old March 9th 07, 01:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
George Conklin
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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
ups.com...
The Tango microcar...

"1) Will it meet NTSC safety ratings?"

No, motorcycles are not required so (not even helmets where I live).
If you don't feel safe in a car, how about people riding a bike? Or
simply ride a bus.

"2) Will it meet insurance companies safety ratings. Crash tests?"

Same above.

"3) You won't get rid of the big lanes as your not gonna get rid of
Semi's and other trucks."

Safety would start with good driving practices and not based on size,
in which SUVs rule. LANE DISCIPLINE would be enforced and the CELL
PHONE would be punished as much as the bottle.

Drinking Coke is OK.


Mercedes for years would not put in cup holders because they said that
eating is a distraction. Correct.


  #103  
Old March 9th 07, 01:17 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Bill Baka
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Pat wrote:
On Mar 8, 11:01 am, Bill Baka wrote:
There are no free rides.
Bill Baka


That's exactly my point. AC allowed the development of California
and Arkansas and then people pitch about the energy usage an
pollution.


Quite true. But now that people are here, and Arizona (my sister), and
New Mexico, Texas. etc., they aren't going to move just for the energy
savings.

If you want to do something real about pollution, move
somewhere that requires less energy to live.


I plan to, if my wife will ever quit having to micro-manage her kids and
mine.

Even as it is,
electricity is notoriously inefficient.


For heating it is terrible. Here in California it costs at least twice
as much for an electric water heater as for a natural gas heater.
Something about getting fuel to the electric plant, burning it, and then
having to ship the electricity back to the consumer whose house the fuel
passed in the first place.

I heat my house from maybe
November to April (or so, depending on the year) and then use no power
for heating and cooling (other than cooking and hot water) for the
rest of the year.


Speaking as an insomniac I can't sleep in a pool of sweat so I at least
have to have the bedroom air conditioned. This is a lot cheaper than a
central A/C system. In the winter the thermostat gets set to about 58
and we use electric blankets.

No energy usage is the only free ride. I use 1 fan
upstairs if it really hot out. It isn't cars that create the energy
crisis and pollution, it is AC. Its impact on society has been huge.

A/C as it is presently made is purely for the profit of the
manufacturer. They can be made twice as efficient, since I worked out
the numbers, and I am sure that most A/C design engineers know it too,
but are not allowed to innovate that much. Right now they are just built
to absolute minimum costs and just barely above the government's minimum
legal SEER efficiency requirement.
Bill Baka
  #104  
Old March 9th 07, 01:25 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Bill Baka
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donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 6, 4:58 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
Electric cars? Guess what. Our electric grid is near capacity and
you want to plug your cars in? Great, you feel good about having an
expensive, stupid electric car while somebody is out building a coal
or oil plant to generate electricity and ship it to you. Okay, they
might be able to put out less pollution but it is still coal or oil.
Electricity doesn't just come out of you plug. It does, however, grow
on trees. Okay, no really, but fuel grows in fields. If you want to
cut your dependence on fossil fuels, switch to vegetable oil. You
busses and trucks and cars can run on that. It's simple, less
pollution, and easily stops the dependence on fossils. Okay, don't
want that, go with bio-diesel.

REPUGLICAN ALERT!!!


I almost suspected that, but then she went on to accept bicycles as a
good idea, which is clearly the first line of defense against Global
Warming. Our warmongering president spoke about alternative energy,
but "forgot" about the one that runs on banana and water: the bicycle.
If he only emphasized the bike, we would be far better off.


****, man. He's only in it for the oil profits for the family business,
just like his father, who didn't even know how to finish a war. Oh,
yeah, he was a big shot pilot in WWII, and his contribution was to get
shot down in a perfectly good airplane.

Sorry for the rant, but if you are going to save the world, be
practical and do thing that really make a difference, not just get
what you don't want to see out of your sight.
Sorry for the rant, but this

Dude,
Slow down.
The idea for electric cars should be that if one just has to own an SUV
(soccer mom or guy who needs the hauling space) then they should have
one. They should also be required to buy a little tiny, barely can get
into it, econo-box for running around town to do those non-hauling
trips. The little one can be a total electric that you plug in at night
and never go over 30 miles in one day.
The insurance companies could help by making large vehicles pay a much
bigger fee for comprehensive collision liability for the SUV and almost
nothing for the little econo box.
The bottom line is that if you are an ecology abuser you get to pay.
Bill Baka- Hide quoted text -


That's a great idea above. Pity the SUVs are actually promoted in
every way.

To sum it up: THE REVOLUTION 1) WILL EMPHASIZE MULTIMODAL
TRANSPORTATION, 2) PROMOTE NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND 3) WILL PENALIZE THE
BIG AND STUPID.

Well, at least someone gets my point. If you can afford an SUV and the
gas it sucks then you can damn well afford an econo-box for those little
trips. Too bad there isn't a law that says a cop can give you a
pollution ticket if he spots you driving one block for a pack of smokes
or some other silly excuse to drive the tank, er, SUV.
Bill Baka
  #105  
Old March 9th 07, 01:51 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
nash
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Electric cars? Guess what. Our electric grid is near capacity and
you want to plug your cars in? Great, you feel good about having an
expensive, stupid electric car while somebody is out building a coal
or oil plant to generate electricity and ship it to you. Okay, they

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

Not here, it is water flow, some where else it could be wind flow.
In Germany they make gas from pig manure.
We all do not hale from CA
Just a touch sensitive pal. Have another cafe latte X"?,,&&*[email protected]?


  #106  
Old March 9th 07, 03:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Pat
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On Mar 8, 8:17 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
Pat wrote:
On Mar 8, 11:01 am, Bill Baka wrote:
There are no free rides.
Bill Baka


That's exactly my point. AC allowed the development of California
and Arkansas and then people pitch about the energy usage an
pollution.


Quite true. But now that people are here, and Arizona (my sister), and
New Mexico, Texas. etc., they aren't going to move just for the energy
savings.

If you want to do something real about pollution, move

somewhere that requires less energy to live.


I plan to, if my wife will ever quit having to micro-manage her kids and
mine.

Even as it is,

electricity is notoriously inefficient.


For heating it is terrible. Here in California it costs at least twice
as much for an electric water heater as for a natural gas heater.
Something about getting fuel to the electric plant, burning it, and then
having to ship the electricity back to the consumer whose house the fuel
passed in the first place.

I heat my house from maybe

November to April (or so, depending on the year) and then use no power
for heating and cooling (other than cooking and hot water) for the
rest of the year.


Speaking as an insomniac I can't sleep in a pool of sweat so I at least
have to have the bedroom air conditioned. This is a lot cheaper than a
central A/C system. In the winter the thermostat gets set to about 58
and we use electric blankets.


If you like electric blankets, you'll LOVE the electric matress pads.
They're wonderful. The heat comes up from the bottom. Not too
expensive, but absolutely wonderful.


No energy usage is the only free ride. I use 1 fan upstairs if it really hot out. It isn't cars that create the energy
crisis and pollution, it is AC. Its impact on society has been huge.


A/C as it is presently made is purely for the profit of the
manufacturer. They can be made twice as efficient, since I worked out
the numbers, and I am sure that most A/C design engineers know it too,
but are not allowed to innovate that much. Right now they are just built
to absolute minimum costs and just barely above the government's minimum
legal SEER efficiency requirement.
Bill Baka



  #107  
Old March 9th 07, 03:57 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Bill Baka
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Pat wrote:
If you like electric blankets, you'll LOVE the electric matress pads.
They're wonderful. The heat comes up from the bottom. Not too
expensive, but absolutely wonderful.


Hah,
A reason to shop for something new. I could be a sandwich between two
electric blankets and just set the heater to 48, not 58.
Getting up to take a leak might be a bummer though.
Bill Baka
  #108  
Old March 9th 07, 04:09 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Dane Buson
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In rec.bicycles.misc George Conklin wrote:

Look, SUV's are not selfish if you use them because of a need. I haul
4x8 lumber, 10 foot pipe segments AND have a drive in the mountains with a
30 degree slope which requires a 4x4 in wet weather. But I also have a baby
Benz diesel which easily gets 35 mpg.


Good for you. Speaking from my own experience living in the Pacific
Northwet, you are a rare fish. Lots and lots of very expensive SUVs
that shine and gleam. Never having seen a gravel road. Never having
carried anything larger than a suitcase.

--
Dane Buson -
"I figure if I kill the first one, the word will get out."
- Charles Barkley on handling his 12-year-old daughter's future boyfriends.
  #109  
Old March 9th 07, 06:57 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Matthew T. Russotto
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In article ,
Bill Baka wrote:

Yeah,
And a lot of them that bought those $350,000 mini mansions 40 miles from
work are now bankrupt and foreclosed since their property value fell
through the floor over the last year. How much equity in their house?
About negative $100K.


And again, $3 gas is lost in the noise.

Although my area has seen no such property value crash; it simply
isn't increasing as fast as it did.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
  #110  
Old March 9th 07, 07:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Matthew T. Russotto
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In article ,
Baxter wrote:

And a lot of them that bought those $350,000 mini mansions 40 miles from
work are now bankrupt and foreclosed since their property value fell
through the floor over the last year. How much equity in their house?
About negative $100K.


Strange how the anti-urbanists in this forum just can't understand that the
reason the McMansions 30 miles from town are so cheap is that people really
would rather have something in town - but can't afford it.


Nope, it's more a matter of supply than demand. There's far more space in
the suburbs than the city.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
 




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