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  #41  
Old March 6th 07, 01:03 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Bill Baka
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donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 5, 5:29 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:

:: I guess you can't argue with idiots, especially if they think they
:: have enough money to waste on those things.
:: Sigh.
:: Bill Baka

Is drinking alcohol bad for you?


Only if you drink and drive. Then it gets as dangerous as talking on
the phone.

Moral,
Only drink if it is offered to you, it is the good stuff, and you have a
good driver who doesn't drink (at least not more than one.).
Bill Baka
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  #42  
Old March 6th 07, 01:17 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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"George Conklin" wrote in message
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"nash" wrote in message
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"George Conklin" wrote in message
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donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:49 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
wrote:
On Mar 3, 11:47 am, "donquijote1954"


wrote:

Hey, be smart. You are part of the solution, not part of the
problem.
And you save the buck. Dinosaurs are a thing of the past and
the
little furry animals are here to stay.
There are two versions of it...
bike:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235847689274986069
and bus:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235396990102826110
OK, how is the bus not polluting?

You don't see it everyday, but it's possible. Just some new
technologies and some political will to make it happen...

Heaven Help Bus
A visit to Iceland spurs dreams of a hydrogen future

The loneliness of the long-distance rider.I have seen the future,
and
it works.

The 111 bus rolls quietly up to the Mjodd terminal in eastern
Reykjavik at 11:19 a.m., and I climb aboard. For 45 minutes, we
cruise
through the suburbs and then to the central square downtown,

picking
up and discharging eight passengers along the way. Fuel cells
that
would have filled the space of several passenger seats five years
ago
are now small enough to fit in the roof panels. And out the

exhaust
pipe: a trickle of water.


http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbo...n-hydrogenbus/

I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen

or
some other technologies out there.

We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...

Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil

to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar,

hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka

Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big
time.


"Who killed the electric car" would be a good movie for this thread.
I will never buy anything from GM. Wusses!



The public killed the electric car because lead-acid batteries are not
really of much use in today's world. But a plug-in hybrid would meet

the
needs of about 90% of American commuters.

If GM kept it it would have evolved because people were in love with it.
They crushed brand new cars and took them away from people who wanted to

pay
for them. They were under pressure from oil and car makers to scrap it
because it would have been the right thing at the right time. Gee where
have I heard that one before. There would be no war with the US either

if
they went that way.


Sorry. Lead-acid batteries will not hack it even with high gas prices.

Why are you still arguing about lead-acid batteries? I did not say that
did I?
The movie is about more than the technology at the time. Do you really
think a progressive company like that would try to put lead batteries on
the market today. FF to 2007 and look back at the wars since the movie. I
think it was before 911 also. Check it.


  #43  
Old March 6th 07, 03:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:44:40 GMT, "George Conklin"
wrote:


"Bill Baka" wrote in message
t...
donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 4, 8:33 pm, "George Conklin"
wrote:
I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
some other technologies out there.
We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...
Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar, hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka
Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.-

Hide quoted text -

Only true if less than 7 passengers ride it. And still it means fewer
vehicles out there to feed traffic jams...

Using Mass Transit
The key to mass transit is the word "mass". The more of us who use it,
the more global warming pollution it saves. That's because a bus or
train releases more CO2 into the air than a car, but a bus or train
holds many, many more people and thus keeps all those cars off the
road.

A bus with just 7 passengers is more fuel efficient than the average
car.


How many carpoolers do you see crammed with 7 people?
Reality check?
Bill Baka



These fake comparison compare a full bus with car with only the driver. If
both were full, in transit service they would again be equal. Long-distance
buses, NEVER trains, yield the biggest savings. But no one wants to hear
what works. I know there are many train foamers, no bus foamers.

Ironically, given other statistics, in the rush hour, the bus is
likely to be full over a good portion of the route while the car is
more likely to be single occupant only. In the off peak, the bus
normally is significantly less loaded while the car is more likely to
have more than one person in it.

Long distance buses may have greater fuel savings but that is at the
cost of narrow and cramped seating. As someone who took the Acadian
Lines bus on its journey that was almost twice as long as a car trip,
I can state that the comfort for someone over 6 feet tall is nowhere
near that of a standard Amfleet Corridor car. If Amfleet were to have
3 - 2 seating at a 32 inch seat spacing and no food service, a 5 car
train would probably have the same or slightly more seat miles per
gallon.
  #44  
Old March 6th 07, 04:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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On Mar 5, 4:42 pm, "George Conklin"
wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message

s.com...



On Mar 4, 8:33 pm, "George Conklin"
wrote:
I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
some other technologies out there.


We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...


Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar, hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka


Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.-

Hide quoted text -

Only true if less than 7 passengers ride it. And still it means fewer
vehicles out there to feed traffic jams...


Using Mass Transit
The key to mass transit is the word "mass". The more of us who use it,
the more global warming pollution it saves.


Full cars would also do the same thing, but the laws are set up to
discourage that and to encourage money-losing transit systems.


Care to point out any of those laws against having more than one
person in a car during rush hour? Or do you mean the widely ignored
"Don't pull into the bike lane and perform a Chinese Fire Drill
during rush hour" law?

  #45  
Old March 6th 07, 04:46 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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On Mar 4, 8:36 pm, "Daryl Hunt" wrote:
You will notice that there was no mention of the obvious. If you use the
electricity without converting it to anything it's clean (Hydrogen is not as
clean) then you do get what you want.


It's bloody hard to bring a gallon of electricity home, though. You
generally have to convert it to something, even if it's some oddball
chemical soup of lead and sulpheric acid. That, or bring a LONG cord
with you.

  #46  
Old March 6th 07, 04:56 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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nash wrote:
"George Conklin" wrote in message
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Sorry. Lead-acid batteries will not hack it even with high gas prices.

Why are you still arguing about lead-acid batteries? I did not say that
did I?
The movie is about more than the technology at the time. Do you really
think a progressive company like that would try to put lead batteries on
the market today. FF to 2007 and look back at the wars since the movie. I
think it was before 911 also. Check it.



We did have electric cars in the beginning when a charge of lead-acid
batteries would give you a good 20 miles. That was about what you could
get out of a horse every day. When gas cars started to get reliable and
over 30-40 miles between breakdowns the electrics died out. Strange that
the horses were the last to go.
Bill Baka
  #47  
Old March 6th 07, 07:44 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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"Bill Baka" wrote in message
.. .
nash wrote:
"George Conklin" wrote in message
ink.net...
Sorry. Lead-acid batteries will not hack it even with high gas
prices.

Why are you still arguing about lead-acid batteries? I did not say that
did I?
The movie is about more than the technology at the time. Do you really
think a progressive company like that would try to put lead batteries on
the market today. FF to 2007 and look back at the wars since the movie.
I think it was before 911 also. Check it.


We did have electric cars in the beginning when a charge of lead-acid
batteries would give you a good 20 miles. That was about what you could
get out of a horse every day. When gas cars started to get reliable and
over 30-40 miles between breakdowns the electrics died out. Strange that
the horses were the last to go.
Bill Baka


These went 2-3 times as far and they could have put charging stations in
instead of gas stations if you had to go further on a daily basis. I think
they carried 6 batteries. Goes like stink and quiet as a mouse. They gave
them to movie stars like Tom Hanks so they had to be something special and
longer between "breakdowns".


  #48  
Old March 6th 07, 11:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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"Bill Baka" wrote in message
.. .
George Conklin wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message
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Gas is going to have to hit $3 a gallon and stay there for the soccer
mom crowd to realize they need a little Geo-Metro 3 banger just to run
to the store for a pack of smokes, or some **** paper or other silly
little errand. People are slow learners.
Bill Baka


It would need to more like $6 for anything much to happen. And besides,
people will always use their cars for shopping even if they take transit

to
work, for no fuel savings, but then the bill goes to the public in terms

of
subsidized fares.


Yeah,
The wallet forces people to make changes with less griping than any law
ever has. What's wrong with carpooling and soccer-momming an SUV and
using a toy car like the Geo for actual commuting?


Car pooling works only for workers who have a factory whistle to attend
to. White collar workers don't work those kind of fixed hours. Further, you
need to have a car to leave at home if you car pool. The law is set up to
make sure it fails.



Some of these people
are so brain dead they say they can't afford 2 cars. HUH! They can
afford the gas and the average $30G's for an SUV, so why not $14,000 for
a new micro-car or even less for a used one?


Not suitable for car pooling anyway.


Of course about 20% of Americans still smoke and about half drink
alcohol, not to mention the drug users, and they know it's bad for them
but they do it anyway.
I guess you can't argue with idiots, especially if they think they have
enough money to waste on those things.
Sigh.
Bill Baka

Actually drinking is good for you.


  #49  
Old March 6th 07, 11:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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"Amy Blankenship" wrote in message
...

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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These fake comparison compare a full bus with car with only the driver.
If
both were full, in transit service they would again be equal.
Long-distance
buses, NEVER trains, yield the biggest savings. But no one wants to

hear
what works. I know there are many train foamers, no bus foamers.


I have never noticed busses being dirtier than trains.


According to the EPA, current trains are vastly polluting, much more so than
buses.


  #50  
Old March 6th 07, 11:17 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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"Clark F Morris" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:44:40 GMT, "George Conklin"
wrote:


"Bill Baka" wrote in message
t...
donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 4, 8:33 pm, "George Conklin"
wrote:
I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen

or
some other technologies out there.
We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...
Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil

to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar,

hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka
Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big

time.-
Hide quoted text -

Only true if less than 7 passengers ride it. And still it means fewer
vehicles out there to feed traffic jams...

Using Mass Transit
The key to mass transit is the word "mass". The more of us who use

it,
the more global warming pollution it saves. That's because a bus or
train releases more CO2 into the air than a car, but a bus or train
holds many, many more people and thus keeps all those cars off the
road.

A bus with just 7 passengers is more fuel efficient than the average
car.

How many carpoolers do you see crammed with 7 people?
Reality check?
Bill Baka



These fake comparison compare a full bus with car with only the driver.

If
both were full, in transit service they would again be equal.

Long-distance
buses, NEVER trains, yield the biggest savings. But no one wants to hear
what works. I know there are many train foamers, no bus foamers.

Ironically, given other statistics, in the rush hour, the bus is
likely to be full over a good portion of the route while the car is
more likely to be single occupant only. In the off peak, the bus
normally is significantly less loaded while the car is more likely to
have more than one person in it.

But the bus then has to go back empty for the next load. The car stays
put. This is the source of much fuel savings. And of course off-hour
service, needed for transit, is the source of a lot of wasted fuel too.


Long distance buses may have greater fuel savings but that is at the
cost of narrow and cramped seating. As someone who took the Acadian
Lines bus on its journey that was almost twice as long as a car trip,
I can state that the comfort for someone over 6 feet tall is nowhere
near that of a standard Amfleet Corridor car. If Amfleet were to have
3 - 2 seating at a 32 inch seat spacing and no food service, a 5 car
train would probably have the same or slightly more seat miles per
gallon.



 




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