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Should Cyclists Pack Guns?
Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K. where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like those at the campus on Monday. It's probably good they don't have guns, look at how many people already get maimed and killed at their Soccer (Football) games without guns, with weapons, it would be a slaughter. |
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On Tue, 1 May 2007 14:26:31 -0500, "Mike Young"
wrote: On Apr 19, 11:51 am, Just A User wrote: Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K. where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like those at the campus on Monday. It absolutely does not need to be "re thought". It chafes already that "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" somehow came to mean "you can keep small arms if you don't overly frighten your neighbors". Continuing the OT jaunt.... Here's the text of the 2d Amendment: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." I tend to focus in on the words "well-regulated." It isn't. I also tend to think that ... maybe it was written at a different time--perhaps a time when the Redcoats were coming (or had already come). Theoretically, they aren't coming now (all DUE respect to the Michigan Militia, the Montana Freemen, and those who share their beliefs). The evolution of the text that eventually led to the above version clearly implies that the weapons were for a _collective_ defense against a _common_ threat. I'm not sure that means individual liberty or self-defense. YMMV Neil God made man Sam Colt made them equal (err .. umm .....) |
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On 1 May 2007 11:53:51 -0700, evelyn wrote:
On Apr 19, 11:51 am, Just A User wrote: Curtis L. Russell wrote: On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954 wrote: I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to launch a good nonviolent campaign? I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia Tech campus? And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think you made some point or another. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K. where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like those at the campus on Monday. Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to carry around on my rides. Ken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hi! I just read a couple of the items here...but I am a cyclist who packs. I have a 38 revolver that fits right into a fanny pack that I wear when I ride. I am a female and ride in rural areas by myself (haven't found a riding partner yet!) and I will not be a woman who goes out for a ride or a run and not come back. I am not concerned with time or the extra weight that the gun adds. I would rather be safe than sorry. BUT....As I agree that I have the right to carry a gun, I don't agree with owning the crazy machine guns, we don't need them, hunters don't need them; the sole purpose is to kill. What's your 38 for? Face it, some people just need killin'. I do agree that it is too easy to get guns in the US, No, there aren't. Having too many guns is like having too much money - its impossible. and there are too many out there. Too many for what? Dave Head Thanks, Evelyn Ziennker-Lee Virginia You have all the rights that you're willing to fight for. |
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Stephen! wrote:
Perhaps he was... but then again, the number of hours it took you pedalestrians to read those few lines was that many more hours you weren't out impeding the flow of traffic. Quit your whining. Bicyclists are traffic, and by definition don't impede it. I've never been "impeded" by biyclists when I drive my car or motorcycle, so why are you so inept that passing such a slow vehicle is a problem? Wayne |
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"Wayne Pein" wrote in message
... Stephen! wrote: Perhaps he was... but then again, the number of hours it took you pedalestrians to read those few lines was that many more hours you weren't out impeding the flow of traffic. Quit your whining. Bicyclists are traffic, and by definition don't impede it. I've never been "impeded" by biyclists when I drive my car or motorcycle, so why are you so inept that passing such a slow vehicle is a problem? By law in IL, bicyclists are entitled to the full width of the traffic lane. Most of the time, especially in the city, they tend to hug the curb side of the curb lane, allowing motorized traffic to go by. Every now and again, though, a militant bunch or another blocks up the two lane suburban artery roads here with their 15 mph asses. Traffic? Yeah, I suppose they are. Special status in the law, however, shouldn't preclude courtesy and consideration for others. Come to think of it, grown men wearing brightly colored leotards have very little to say that might interest me. |
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Mike Young wrote:
By law in IL, bicyclists are entitled to the full width of the traffic lane. Most of the time, especially in the city, they tend to hug the curb side of the curb lane, allowing motorized traffic to go by. How thoughtful of them. I don't suppose bicyclists get any credit in your accounting scheme for that? Of course, you should know that there is no advantage to riding near the side of the road, only disadvantages like poor sight lines, less conspicuity, and motorists trying to squeeze by when its unsafe to do so. But I guess if motorists are allowed to pass and you are a motorist its all good for you. Every now and again, though, a militant bunch or another blocks up the two lane suburban artery roads here with their 15 mph asses. What makes you think they are militant rather than merely exercising their right to use the lane? And why don't you pass in the oncoming lane? Oh I know, its full of other motorists. Traffic? Yeah, I suppose they are. Special status in the law, however, shouldn't preclude courtesy and consideration for others. No special status. Just status. According to your logic, although bicyclists are entitled to use of the full lane like other road users, they must be "courteous" and allow you to use it for passing them. If they don't, then they are militant. Come to think of it, grown men wearing brightly colored leotards have very little to say that might interest me. Why would they want to talk to you? You're a selfish, illogical lout who doesn't ride a bike unless it has a mechanical engine and who doesn't have the sense to understand that hi viz clothing is useful. Wayne |
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"Wayne Pein" wrote in message
... Mike Young wrote: By law in IL, bicyclists are entitled to the full width of the traffic lane. Most of the time, especially in the city, they tend to hug the curb side of the curb lane, allowing motorized traffic to go by. How thoughtful of them. I don't suppose bicyclists get any credit in your accounting scheme for that? I'm one of them, or at least, was until I moved to the 'burbs. Credit? For what? Sharing the road? Keep your award, Sonny. Of course, you should know that there is no advantage to riding near the side of the road, only disadvantages like poor sight lines, less conspicuity, and motorists trying to squeeze by when its unsafe to do so. Sure. All that. And trash, gravel, leaves, and car doors, too. I'm happier there. Motorists don't have to squeeze by. It's better this way; safer this way. But you already know all that, and can't be told anything. But I guess if motorists are allowed to pass and you are a motorist its all good for you. Every now and again, though, a militant bunch or another blocks up the two lane suburban artery roads here with their 15 mph asses. What makes you think they are militant rather than merely exercising their right to use the lane? And why don't you pass in the oncoming lane? Oh I know, its full of other motorists. You tell me. You're one of them. Am I right? Traffic? Yeah, I suppose they are. Special status in the law, however, shouldn't preclude courtesy and consideration for others. No special status. Just status. Special status. Capital 'S'. Little school bus special. The only other unlicensed vehicles granted that use are farm implements, and then only with restrictions. According to your logic, although bicyclists are entitled to use of the full lane like other road users, they must be "courteous" and allow you to use it for passing them. If they don't, then they are militant. According to my logic, when I'm doing 15 in a 40 with traffic queuing behind me, I should find someplace to pull over and help them pass, no matter what I'm riding or driving. Come to think of it, grown men wearing brightly colored leotards have very little to say that might interest me. Why would they want to talk to you? You're a selfish, illogical lout who doesn't ride a bike unless it has a mechanical engine and who doesn't have the sense to understand that hi viz clothing is useful. I like 'em skintight myself. I feel so... so visible. |
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On May 1, 5:49 pm, Dave Head wrote:
On 1 May 2007 11:53:51 -0700, evelyn wrote: On Apr 19, 11:51 am, Just A User wrote: Curtis L. Russell wrote: On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954 wrote: I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to launch a good nonviolent campaign? I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia Tech campus? And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think you made some point or another. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K. where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like those at the campus on Monday. Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to carry around on my rides. Ken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hi! I just read a couple of the items here...but I am a cyclist who packs. I have a 38 revolver that fits right into a fanny pack that I wear when I ride. I am a female and ride in rural areas by myself (haven't found a riding partner yet!) and I will not be a woman who goes out for a ride or a run and not come back. I am not concerned with time or the extra weight that the gun adds. I would rather be safe than sorry. BUT....As I agree that I have the right to carry a gun, I don't agree with owning the crazy machine guns, we don't need them, hunters don't need them; the sole purpose is to kill. What's your 38 for? Face it, some people just need killin'. You are stupid...yea, I carry my gun so that I can shoot people when I'm out riding my bike! Yep, thats me. Again, you are an idiot. I carry my legal gun (I have passed all the requirements for carring it) so that I am protected. You must know that there are rapist and murderers everywhere and I would use my gun for protection. I am not going out for a bike ride and looking to shoot someone! I do agree that it is too easy to get guns in the US, No, there aren't. Having too many guns is like having too much money - its impossible. and there are too many out there. Too many for what? Too many that it is too easy for criminals to get weapons and use them on INNOCENT people. DUH! Dave Head Thanks, Evelyn Ziennker-Lee Virginia You have all the rights that you're willing to fight for.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On May 2, 12:55 am, "Stephen!" wrote:
evelyn wrote oups.com: Hi! I just read a couple of the items here...but I am a cyclist who packs. I have a 38 revolver that fits right into a fanny pack that I wear when I ride. ..and have never practiced drawing and firing it while riding yer bike... Wow... So intimidating. Are you a jerk off? Why are you so angry...i just made some comments...And yea, My 38 is intimidating...again, why are you a jerk? BUT....As I agree that I have the right to carry a gun, I don't agree with owning the crazy machine guns, we don't need them, hunters don't need them; the sole purpose is to kill. As opposed to yer .38 snub nose which was designed for making rainbow colored farts. Apparently it's okay if to ristrict *other's* rights so long as yours aren't infringed... Nice try, loser... you don't even know me and your calling me a loser? your a f** loser you idiot. I'm not trying to restrict others, i just posted some comments....you are such an ass. I do agree that it is too easy to get guns in the US, and there are too many out there. You are right. Let's start by melting down yours. kiss mine. and who are you again? oh yea, some losser who gets off bloggin and calling other people names...great job, i would love to be you! -- RCOS #7 IBA# 11465http://imagesdesavions.com |
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On May 2, 8:46 am, evelyn wrote:
You must know that there are rapist and murderers everywhere ... Doggone! You're right! I just found three of them hiding under my computer desk! and I would use my gun for protection. Again - so many fearful people in this country. It's kind of sad. I recall, decades ago, being on a backpacking trip with my wife and young son, hiking the Appalachian Trail for a week. One night, we camped near a couple guys and spent some time talking. Turns out, despite tricks like cutting his toothbrush in half to save a few grams, one of the guys proudly showed us that he was carrying a revolver. He made it clear that it wasn't for snakes or bears. He was afraid of other people. I assume a guy like that would never get up the nerve to camp in, say, the Lake District of England, where he wouldn't be allowed to have his gun. Again, sad. Such a climate of fear! - Frank Krygowski |
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