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Old July 30th 10, 05:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Anton Berlin
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004...cling.features

Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections that it
could no longer produce red blood cells.

On his arrival at Turin's Centro Traumatologico Ortopedico at 3.20pm,
doctors were startled to discover blood values that were abnormal,
almost bizar his haematocrit, or red cell count, was 60 per cent
(50 per cent is high); his haemoglobin was 20.8g per 100ml (18g is
noteworthy). These values then plummeted: on 25 October, with 15.9 per
cent haematocrit and 5.8g haemoglobin, it took a transfusion to save
his life.

After which the anaemia miraculously cleared. Someone, it seemed, had
injected Pantani with the genetically engineered blood-booster
erythropoietin, known in sport as the doping agent EPO. At the age of
just 25, Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections
that it could no longer produce red blood cells.
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Old July 30th 10, 05:43 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Anton Berlin[_2_]
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On Jul 29, 11:31*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004...cling.features

Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections that it
could no longer produce red blood cells.

On his arrival at Turin's Centro Traumatologico Ortopedico at 3.20pm,
doctors were startled to discover blood values that were abnormal,
almost bizar his haematocrit, or red cell count, was 60 per cent
(50 per cent is high); his haemoglobin was 20.8g per 100ml (18g is
noteworthy). These values then plummeted: on 25 October, with 15.9 per
cent haematocrit and 5.8g haemoglobin, it took a transfusion to save
his life.

After which the anaemia miraculously cleared. Someone, it seemed, had
injected Pantani with the genetically engineered blood-booster
erythropoietin, known in sport as the doping agent EPO. At the age of
just 25, Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections
that it could no longer produce red blood cells.


I am retarded
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Old July 30th 10, 07:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Mike Jacoubowsky
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"Anton Berlin" wrote in message
...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004...cling.features

Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections that it
could no longer produce red blood cells.

On his arrival at Turin's Centro Traumatologico Ortopedico at 3.20pm,
doctors were startled to discover blood values that were abnormal,
almost bizar his haematocrit, or red cell count, was 60 per cent
(50 per cent is high); his haemoglobin was 20.8g per 100ml (18g is
noteworthy). These values then plummeted: on 25 October, with 15.9 per
cent haematocrit and 5.8g haemoglobin, it took a transfusion to save
his life.

After which the anaemia miraculously cleared. Someone, it seemed, had
injected Pantani with the genetically engineered blood-booster
erythropoietin, known in sport as the doping agent EPO. At the age of
just 25, Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections
that it could no longer produce red blood cells.


Not that I should be taking your post so seriously, but if I recall
correctly, there's never been any evidence that Lance had an
outrageously-high hematocrit level, only that it hasn't, at times,
fluctuated in the normal manner one would expect during a three-week
event. Pantani, like Ricco, apparently doped to the gills. If Lance
doped, it was evidently far more carefully managed than Pantani, and I'd
assume far less likely to have long-lasting health effects.

Try as one might, Lance's phenomenal success cannot be attributed solely
to (alleged) doping. He rode for one of the most well-organized &
disciplined teams, with a clear focus (contrast that with Telekom!).
While other teams stayed at hotels sponsored by the TdF organization, US
Postal and Discovery usually had their own, considerably-upgraded digs.

I suppose that all of that was just a cover, a way to make it appear
that Postal & Discovery had all manner of reasons that made them better,
in order to get people to overlook the idea that they were doping?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


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Old July 30th 10, 02:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Interesting read.
Even more interesting is the irony of how one cycling icon destroyed
himself, while another is being destroyed by others who are bitter of
his success.





On Jul 29, 10:31*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004...cling.features

Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections that it
could no longer produce red blood cells.

On his arrival at Turin's Centro Traumatologico Ortopedico at 3.20pm,
doctors were startled to discover blood values that were abnormal,
almost bizar his haematocrit, or red cell count, was 60 per cent
(50 per cent is high); his haemoglobin was 20.8g per 100ml (18g is
noteworthy). These values then plummeted: on 25 October, with 15.9 per
cent haematocrit and 5.8g haemoglobin, it took a transfusion to save
his life.

After which the anaemia miraculously cleared. Someone, it seemed, had
injected Pantani with the genetically engineered blood-booster
erythropoietin, known in sport as the doping agent EPO. At the age of
just 25, Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections
that it could no longer produce red blood cells.


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Old July 30th 10, 04:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
B. Lafferty[_3_]
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On 7/30/2010 2:19 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
"Anton wrote in message
...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004...cling.features

Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections that it
could no longer produce red blood cells.

On his arrival at Turin's Centro Traumatologico Ortopedico at 3.20pm,
doctors were startled to discover blood values that were abnormal,
almost bizar his haematocrit, or red cell count, was 60 per cent
(50 per cent is high); his haemoglobin was 20.8g per 100ml (18g is
noteworthy). These values then plummeted: on 25 October, with 15.9 per
cent haematocrit and 5.8g haemoglobin, it took a transfusion to save
his life.

After which the anaemia miraculously cleared. Someone, it seemed, had
injected Pantani with the genetically engineered blood-booster
erythropoietin, known in sport as the doping agent EPO. At the age of
just 25, Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections
that it could no longer produce red blood cells.


Not that I should be taking your post so seriously, but if I recall
correctly, there's never been any evidence that Lance had an
outrageously-high hematocrit level, only that it hasn't, at times,
fluctuated in the normal manner one would expect during a three-week
event. Pantani, like Ricco, apparently doped to the gills. If Lance
doped, it was evidently far more carefully managed than Pantani, and I'd
assume far less likely to have long-lasting health effects.

Try as one might, Lance's phenomenal success cannot be attributed solely
to (alleged) doping. He rode for one of the most well-organized&
disciplined teams, with a clear focus (contrast that with Telekom!).
While other teams stayed at hotels sponsored by the TdF organization, US
Postal and Discovery usually had their own, considerably-upgraded digs.

I suppose that all of that was just a cover, a way to make it appear
that Postal& Discovery had all manner of reasons that made them better,
in order to get people to overlook the idea that they were doping?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


OK. A hard working doper. And.............?
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Old July 30th 10, 05:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Anton Berlin
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Even more interesting is the irony of how one cycling icon destroyed
himself, while another is being destroyed by others who are bitter of
his success.


If Laff or I actually thought we could really have an impact on Lance
I am sure we would both ratchet it up.

The world turns whether Laff or I post these articles into RBR and
Lance's bed is already made.

I am sure Jeff Novitzky doesn't want to win any bike races -

I know its hard for some of you jackasses to understand but there are
some people out there that like archaic concepts like truth and
honor.


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Old July 30th 10, 05:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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CowPunk wrote:
Interesting read.
Even more interesting is the irony of how one cycling icon destroyed
himself, while another is being destroyed by others who are bitter of
his success.


Very good read. You don't see anything of that quality written on CN
anymore, if they ever did. Jeff wrote a few good ones in the past.


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Old July 30th 10, 06:00 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Kurgan Gringioni[_2_]
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"Anton Berlin" wrote in message
...
: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004...cling.features
:
: Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections that it
: could no longer produce red blood cells.
:
: On his arrival at Turin's Centro Traumatologico Ortopedico at 3.20pm,
: doctors were startled to discover blood values that were abnormal,
: almost bizar his haematocrit, or red cell count, was 60 per cent
: (50 per cent is high); his haemoglobin was 20.8g per 100ml (18g is
: noteworthy). These values then plummeted: on 25 October, with 15.9 per
: cent haematocrit and 5.8g haemoglobin, it took a transfusion to save
: his life.
:
: After which the anaemia miraculously cleared. Someone, it seemed, had
: injected Pantani with the genetically engineered blood-booster
: erythropoietin, known in sport as the doping agent EPO. At the age of
: just 25, Pantani's body had grown so dependent on these injections
: that it could no longer produce red blood cells.



Dumbass -

And yet you claim that drugs smooth out performance, eliminating bad days.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

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Old July 30th 10, 06:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Kurgan Gringioni[_2_]
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"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
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:
: OK. A hard working doper. And.............?



Dumbass -

You're so biased that you can't even make this connection. Idiot.

Read the title of the thread and then the orginal post. Anton equated
Pantani to LANCE and Mike showed how they are not equivalent.

EPO, like the majority of drugs, doesn't have long term effects if used
correctly. Pantani did not, but he's one of the exceptions rather than the
rule.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

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Old July 30th 10, 06:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
B. Lafferty[_3_]
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On 7/30/2010 1:03 PM, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"B. wrote in message
...
:
:
: OK. A hard working doper. And.............?



Dumbass -

You're so biased that you can't even make this connection. Idiot.

Read the title of the thread and then the orginal post. Anton equated
Pantani to LANCE and Mike showed how they are not equivalent.

EPO, like the majority of drugs, doesn't have long term effects if used
correctly. Pantani did not, but he's one of the exceptions rather than the
rule.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Tks again for sharing your thoughts, Henry.
 




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