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Simitian Cell Phone Bill Goes to California Governor, Adds Bicycliststo Ban, Raises Fines
Originally bicyclists were not covered by California's hands-free cell
phone law, but that will change if Governor Brown signs Simitian's bill as expected. http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=165271&title=Texting%20or%2 0talking%20drivers%20facing%20tougher%20penalties If you've ever tried using a Bluetooth headset while riding, you know that they don't work all that well due to wind noise. While there are several very good quality iPhone bicycle mounts, if you have another smart phone you are stuck with funky universal mounts that are usually not trustworthy. |
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Simitian Cell Phone Bill Goes to California Governor, AddsBicyclists to Ban, Raises Fines
On Aug 16, 10:10*am, SMS wrote:
Originally bicyclists were not covered by California's hands-free cell phone law, but that will change if Governor Brown signs Simitian's bill as expected. http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=165271&title=Tex... If you've ever tried using a Bluetooth headset while riding, you know that they don't work all that well due to wind noise. While there are several very good quality iPhone bicycle mounts, if you have another smart phone you are stuck with funky universal mounts that are usually not trustworthy. Are you retarded? Are you advocating that cyclists (and drivers) should have the right to talk hands-free? Perhaps that's why you feel foam lids make you safe? The fine is so inconsequential anyways that I doubt anyonem including cops, will take it seriously, even when the bill becomes law. |
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Simitian Cell Phone Bill Goes to California Governor, AddsBicyclists to Ban, Raises Fines
damyth wrote:
SMS wrote: Originally bicyclists were not covered by California's hands-free cell phone law, but that will change if Governor Brown signs Simitian's bill as expected. http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=165271&title=Tex... If you've ever tried using a Bluetooth headset while riding, you know that they don't work all that well due to wind noise. While there are several very good quality iPhone bicycle mounts, if you have another smart phone you are stuck with funky universal mounts that are usually not trustworthy. Are you retarded? Are you advocating that cyclists (and drivers) should have the right to talk hands-free? *Perhaps that's why you feel foam lids make you safe? The fine is so inconsequential anyways that I doubt anyonem including cops, will take it seriously, even when the bill becomes law. My main concern about things like this is ethical-- the presumption that the burden of duty should be the same for the people who unilaterally impose risk of harm upon others, and for those whom they impose risk upon without consent. But yes, riding distracted is dumb regardless what you distract yourself with. Chalo |
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Simitian Cell Phone Bill Goes to California Governor, Adds Bicycliststo Ban, Raises Fines
On 8/16/2011 12:15 PM, Chalo wrote:
But yes, riding distracted is dumb regardless what you distract yourself with. The law is good, in a way, since it increases the fines for drivers and it adds cyclists. Those that don't have a headset will be less likely to be using their phone. But it does not address the fact that using a headset does not mean that the driver is not distracted. Phone use while driving should be banned entirely. Unfortunately there is no political will to do that (though it is the case for drivers under 21 in California). Unlike helmet laws, this law is intended to protect regular people from stupid people--protecting dumb people from themselves is a side effect, not the main focus. |
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Simitian Cell Phone Bill Goes to California Governor, Adds Bicycliststo Ban, Raises Fines
On 16/08/11 12:31 PM, SMS wrote:
On 8/16/2011 12:15 PM, Chalo wrote: But yes, riding distracted is dumb regardless what you distract yourself with. The law is good, in a way, since it increases the fines for drivers and it adds cyclists. Those that don't have a headset will be less likely to be using their phone. But it does not address the fact that using a headset does not mean that the driver is not distracted. Phone use while driving should be banned entirely. I have yet to see a properly conducted study that proves that using a cell phone with a headset while driving is contributing to an increase in traffic accidents in the Real World. IMHO, the people who get involved in accidents while using their phones because they got "distracted" are the same ones who were getting into accidents before cell phones because they were distracted by changing the radio station or CD in the CD player, by drinking their coffee, by engaging in personal grooming (shaving, putting on makeup, fixing one's hair, etc.), fighting with kids or passengers, talking to passengers, looking at a map (or GPS) instead, among the many other things drivers often do instead of paying attention to the road. If you have any cites for a STUDY that shows INCREASED ACCIDENT RATES that correlate with increased cell phone use, I'd love to see it. Because it's clear that traffic accident rates are NOT going up, yet cell phone usage has skyrocketed. jc |
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Simitian Cell Phone Bill Goes to California Governor, Adds Bicyclists to Ban, Raises Fines
jcdill writes:
If you have any cites for a STUDY that shows INCREASED ACCIDENT RATES that correlate with increased cell phone use, I'd love to see it. Because it's clear that traffic accident rates are NOT going up, yet cell phone usage has skyrocketed. Many of the drivers who come close to hitting me while making illegal maneuvers (running stop signs, running red lights) are holding cell phones up to their ears. This is obviously dangerous, study or no study, and I want those drivers stopped and cited. -- Ben Pfaff http://benpfaff.org |
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Simitian Cell Phone Bill Goes to California Governor, AddsBicyclists to Ban, Raises Fines
On Aug 16, 1:11*pm, jcdill wrote:
On 16/08/11 12:31 PM, SMS wrote: On 8/16/2011 12:15 PM, Chalo wrote: But yes, riding distracted is dumb regardless what you distract yourself with. The law is good, in a way, since it increases the fines for drivers and it adds cyclists. Those that don't have a headset will be less likely to be using their phone. But it does not address the fact that using a headset does not mean that the driver is not distracted. Phone use while driving should be banned entirely. I have yet to see a properly conducted study that proves that using a cell phone with a headset while driving is contributing to an increase in traffic accidents in the Real World. IMHO, the people who get involved in accidents while using their phones because they got "distracted" are the same ones who were getting into accidents before cell phones because they were distracted by changing the radio station or CD in the CD player, by drinking their coffee, by engaging in personal grooming (shaving, putting on makeup, fixing one's hair, etc.), fighting with kids or passengers, talking to passengers, looking at a map (or GPS) instead, among the many other things drivers often do instead of paying attention to the road. If you have any cites for a STUDY that shows INCREASED ACCIDENT RATES that correlate with increased cell phone use, I'd love to see it. Because it's clear that traffic accident rates are NOT going up, yet cell phone usage has skyrocketed. jc For the sake of discussion, let's just take your assertion as true, that talking on cell-phone/texting while driving has not increased accident rates. http://distraction.gov/research/PDF-...unk-Driver.pdf What do you make of this study? Explain to me why already distracted drivers (CD/Radio) should be allowed yet another distraction that leads to impairment? You might want to check out: http://distraction.gov/research/index.html |
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Simitian Cell Phone Bill Goes to California Governor, AddsBicyclists to Ban, Raises Fines
On Aug 16, 1:18*pm, Ben Pfaff wrote:
jcdill writes: If you have any cites for a STUDY that shows INCREASED ACCIDENT RATES that correlate with increased cell phone use, I'd love to see it. Because it's clear that traffic accident rates are NOT going up, yet cell phone usage has skyrocketed. Many of the drivers who come close to hitting me while making illegal maneuvers (running stop signs, running red lights) are holding cell phones up to their ears. *This is obviously dangerous, study or no study, and I want those drivers stopped and cited. They also cannot seem to be bothered to put down the phone and activate their turn signal. |
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Simitian Cell Phone Bill Goes to California Governor, Adds Bicycliststo Ban, Raises Fines
On 17/08/2011 3:29 AM, damyth wrote:
On Aug 16, 10:10 am, wrote: Originally bicyclists were not covered by California's hands-free cell phone law, but that will change if Governor Brown signs Simitian's bill as expected. http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=165271&title=Tex... If you've ever tried using a Bluetooth headset while riding, you know that they don't work all that well due to wind noise. While there are several very good quality iPhone bicycle mounts, if you have another smart phone you are stuck with funky universal mounts that are usually not trustworthy. Are you advocating that cyclists (and drivers) should have the right to talk hands-free? I talk hands free all the time. I am not Italian. I talk to fellow bike riders without using my hands, and if I'm driving I talk to passengers without the use of my hands. My hands are generally used to help control the vehicle that I am in control of. Whether I am talking to someone locally or remote by phone, what's the difference. It's all hands free and allowed by law here. -- JS. |
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Simitian Cell Phone Bill Goes to California Governor, Adds Bicycliststo Ban, Raises Fines
On 16/08/11 1:18 PM, Ben Pfaff wrote:
writes: If you have any cites for a STUDY that shows INCREASED ACCIDENT RATES that correlate with increased cell phone use, I'd love to see it. Because it's clear that traffic accident rates are NOT going up, yet cell phone usage has skyrocketed. Many of the drivers who come close to hitting me while making illegal maneuvers (running stop signs, running red lights) are holding cell phones up to their ears. This is obviously dangerous, study or no study, and I want those drivers stopped and cited. Did you even read what I wrote? I'll give it to you again: IMHO, the people who get involved in accidents while using their phones because they got "distracted" are the same ones who were getting into accidents before cell phones because they were distracted by changing the radio station or CD in the CD player, by drinking their coffee, by engaging in personal grooming (shaving, putting on makeup, fixing one's hair, etc.), fighting with kids or passengers, talking to passengers, looking at a map (or GPS) instead, among the many other things drivers often do instead of paying attention to the road. In other words, if they didn't have a cell phone to their ears when they almost hit you, they would be doing one of dozens of other careless behaviors. It's not the phone, it's the driver. Banning cell phone use by people who know how to use it responsibly isn't going to change the accident rate, just as the increasing cell phone usage hasn't changed the accident rate. Most accidents are caused by careless drivers, and they will continue to be careless even when you take the phones out of their hands. If you want to *really* do something about this, advocate to make it a requirement to attend traffic school if a driver is caught using a non-hand's-free cell phone. This would help get the careless drivers in a classroom where education can potentially help them become more careful behind the wheel. jc |
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