Seems a lot of people don't know the difference between Bi, Tri and Quad

A bicycling topic in a bicycling newsgroup. WoW! Will wonders never cease?

Looking at this site: http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ I see that many people do not know the difference between a Bi-cycle, a Tri-cycle and/or a Quad-cycle. So many times I read artcile online or in magazines tha are supposedly about a bicycle when in reality they are about a tricycle or a quadcycle.

A little further down the page I linkedto above is a nice DIY cargo quadcycle.

Cheers

On 12/20/2016 10:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
A bicycling topic in a bicycling newsgroup. WoW! Will wonders never cease?

Looking at this site: http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ I see that many people do not know the difference between a Bi-cycle, a Tri-cycle and/or a Quad-cycle. So many times I read artcile online or in magazines tha are supposedly about a bicycle when in reality they are about a tricycle or a quadcycle.

Some government documents and research papers use the term "pedalcycle."
It works, but certainly isn't euphonious or poetic.

Perhaps even weirder, at least one state legally defines "bicycle" to
include pedal-things with 2, 3 or 4 wheels. The reason? Most laws
regarding pedal-things were written using the term "bicycle." When
things like recumbent trikes began to appear, it was judged easier to
accept them under the legal definition of "bicycle" than to scour all
the legal code to insert "tricycle" (and perhaps "quadricycle") in every
slot.

A little further down the page I linkedto above is a nice DIY cargo quadcycle.

I note that very few people in the photos seem to be smiling. Perhaps
winter cycling in Copenhagen isn't a paradise experience.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:57:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 12/20/2016 10:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
A bicycling topic in a bicycling newsgroup. WoW! Will wonders never
cease?

Looking at this site: http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ I see that
many people do not know the difference between a Bi-cycle, a
Tri-cycle and/or a Quad-cycle. So many times I read artcile online or
in magazines tha are supposedly about a bicycle when in reality they
are about a tricycle or a quadcycle.

Some government documents and research papers use the term
"pedalcycle."
It works, but certainly isn't euphonious or poetic.

Perhaps even weirder, at least one state legally defines "bicycle" to
include pedal-things with 2, 3 or 4 wheels. The reason? Most laws
regarding pedal-things were written using the term "bicycle." When
things like recumbent trikes began to appear, it was judged easier to
accept them under the legal definition of "bicycle" than to scour all
the legal code to insert "tricycle" (and perhaps "quadricycle") in
every slot.

A little further down the page I linkedto above is a nice DIY cargo
quadcycle.

I note that very few people in the photos seem to be smiling. Perhaps
winter cycling in Copenhagen isn't a paradise experience.

Denmark is at, what, the 50th parallel or so? Maybe 55th? In the
winter that means short days, cold weather, damp sea winds. Brrr.
Despite that, a huge percentage of Copenhageners ride their bikes to get
where they are going year 'round. But it's tranportation, not for
amusement like most of us Americans, because it's fast and convenient.
Extensive infrastructure for bikes is in place.

Owning and operating a car in Denmark is really expensive- the
registration tax for a new car is 105% of the value of the car up to
something like 85,000 Kroner (US$ 11,900) and 180% of the value above
that. Then there is an annual fee that depends on fuel type and
mileage, ranging from 620 Kr to nearly 23,000 Kr (gasoline) and
240-32,000 Kr (diesel). Fuel is 2-3 times what it costs in the US.
FWIW the Krone is worth about US$0.14. Imagine the howls of anguish if
the US tried to impose taxes like that! The Danes I have met tell me
they buy a car once and pay for it twice (sounds to me like they pay for
it about three times).

No wonder Danes ride bikes!

On 12/21/2016 12:14 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:57:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 12/20/2016 10:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
A bicycling topic in a bicycling newsgroup. WoW! Will wonders never
cease?

Looking at this site: http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ I see that
many people do not know the difference between a Bi-cycle, a
Tri-cycle and/or a Quad-cycle. So many times I read artcile online or
in magazines tha are supposedly about a bicycle when in reality they
are about a tricycle or a quadcycle.

Some government documents and research papers use the term
"pedalcycle."
It works, but certainly isn't euphonious or poetic.

Perhaps even weirder, at least one state legally defines "bicycle" to
include pedal-things with 2, 3 or 4 wheels. The reason? Most laws
regarding pedal-things were written using the term "bicycle." When
things like recumbent trikes began to appear, it was judged easier to
accept them under the legal definition of "bicycle" than to scour all
the legal code to insert "tricycle" (and perhaps "quadricycle") in
every slot.

A little further down the page I linkedto above is a nice DIY cargo
quadcycle.

I note that very few people in the photos seem to be smiling. Perhaps
winter cycling in Copenhagen isn't a paradise experience.

Denmark is at, what, the 50th parallel or so? Maybe 55th? In the
winter that means short days, cold weather, damp sea winds. Brrr.
Despite that, a huge percentage of Copenhageners ride their bikes to get
where they are going year 'round. But it's tranportation, not for
amusement like most of us Americans, because it's fast and convenient.
Extensive infrastructure for bikes is in place.

Owning and operating a car in Denmark is really expensive- the
registration tax for a new car is 105% of the value of the car up to
something like 85,000 Kroner (US$ 11,900) and 180% of the value above
that. Then there is an annual fee that depends on fuel type and
mileage, ranging from 620 Kr to nearly 23,000 Kr (gasoline) and
240-32,000 Kr (diesel). Fuel is 2-3 times what it costs in the US.
FWIW the Krone is worth about US$0.14. Imagine the howls of anguish if
the US tried to impose taxes like that! The Danes I have met tell me
they buy a car once and pay for it twice (sounds to me like they pay for
it about three times).

No wonder Danes ride bikes!

But Joerg says all that doesn't matter. He says all the bicycling is
due to the bike lanes. ;-)


--
- Frank Krygowski

Denmark area is 16500 sqm

US area is 3.8 mIL sqm with 2 mtn ranges n several river systems

US has huge energy resources
, Denmark does not

US energy production n use ages are taxpayer subsidized for strategic interests

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:35:46 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/21/2016 12:14 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:57:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 12/20/2016 10:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
A bicycling topic in a bicycling newsgroup. WoW! Will wonders never
cease?

Looking at this site: http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ I see that
many people do not know the difference between a Bi-cycle, a
Tri-cycle and/or a Quad-cycle. So many times I read artcile online or
in magazines tha are supposedly about a bicycle when in reality they
are about a tricycle or a quadcycle.

Some government documents and research papers use the term
"pedalcycle."
It works, but certainly isn't euphonious or poetic.

Perhaps even weirder, at least one state legally defines "bicycle" to
include pedal-things with 2, 3 or 4 wheels. The reason? Most laws
regarding pedal-things were written using the term "bicycle." When
things like recumbent trikes began to appear, it was judged easier to
accept them under the legal definition of "bicycle" than to scour all
the legal code to insert "tricycle" (and perhaps "quadricycle") in
every slot.

A little further down the page I linkedto above is a nice DIY cargo
quadcycle.

I note that very few people in the photos seem to be smiling. Perhaps
winter cycling in Copenhagen isn't a paradise experience.

Denmark is at, what, the 50th parallel or so? Maybe 55th? In the
winter that means short days, cold weather, damp sea winds. Brrr.
Despite that, a huge percentage of Copenhageners ride their bikes to get
where they are going year 'round. But it's tranportation, not for
amusement like most of us Americans, because it's fast and convenient.
Extensive infrastructure for bikes is in place.

Owning and operating a car in Denmark is really expensive- the
registration tax for a new car is 105% of the value of the car up to
something like 85,000 Kroner (US$ 11,900) and 180% of the value above
that. Then there is an annual fee that depends on fuel type and
mileage, ranging from 620 Kr to nearly 23,000 Kr (gasoline) and
240-32,000 Kr (diesel). Fuel is 2-3 times what it costs in the US.
FWIW the Krone is worth about US$0.14. Imagine the howls of anguish if
the US tried to impose taxes like that! The Danes I have met tell me
they buy a car once and pay for it twice (sounds to me like they pay for
it about three times).

No wonder Danes ride bikes!

But Joerg says all that doesn't matter. He says all the bicycling is
due to the bike lanes. ;-)

Singapore, years ago implemented a system that they originally
intended to control the number of autos on the island. Basically it
used a bidding system to establish the price of a monthly Certificate
of Entitlement which enables one to purchase an auto.

The results is a steady increase in the cost of an automobile in the
city state until I have read that autos in Singapore are the most
expensive in the world.

Unfortunately it didn't accomplish what was intended and the numbers
of autos in Singapore has steadily increase over the years.

It might be noted that even 30 or 40 years ago one saw bicycles used
for transportation all over the island. Now there are almost none.

Apparently people want automobiles and will pay almost any price to
get one.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:10:32 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:35:46 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/21/2016 12:14 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:57:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 12/20/2016 10:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
A bicycling topic in a bicycling newsgroup. WoW! Will wonders never
cease?

Looking at this site: http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ I see that
many people do not know the difference between a Bi-cycle, a
Tri-cycle and/or a Quad-cycle. So many times I read artcile online or
in magazines tha are supposedly about a bicycle when in reality they
are about a tricycle or a quadcycle.

Some government documents and research papers use the term
"pedalcycle."
It works, but certainly isn't euphonious or poetic.

Perhaps even weirder, at least one state legally defines "bicycle" to
include pedal-things with 2, 3 or 4 wheels. The reason? Most laws
regarding pedal-things were written using the term "bicycle." When
things like recumbent trikes began to appear, it was judged easier to
accept them under the legal definition of "bicycle" than to scour all
the legal code to insert "tricycle" (and perhaps "quadricycle") in
every slot.

A little further down the page I linkedto above is a nice DIY cargo
quadcycle.

I note that very few people in the photos seem to be smiling. Perhaps
winter cycling in Copenhagen isn't a paradise experience.

Denmark is at, what, the 50th parallel or so? Maybe 55th? In the
winter that means short days, cold weather, damp sea winds. Brrr.
Despite that, a huge percentage of Copenhageners ride their bikes to get
where they are going year 'round. But it's tranportation, not for
amusement like most of us Americans, because it's fast and convenient.
Extensive infrastructure for bikes is in place.

Owning and operating a car in Denmark is really expensive- the
registration tax for a new car is 105% of the value of the car up to
something like 85,000 Kroner (US$ 11,900) and 180% of the value above
that. Then there is an annual fee that depends on fuel type and
mileage, ranging from 620 Kr to nearly 23,000 Kr (gasoline) and
240-32,000 Kr (diesel). Fuel is 2-3 times what it costs in the US.
FWIW the Krone is worth about US$0.14. Imagine the howls of anguish if
the US tried to impose taxes like that! The Danes I have met tell me
they buy a car once and pay for it twice (sounds to me like they pay for
it about three times).

No wonder Danes ride bikes!

But Joerg says all that doesn't matter. He says all the bicycling is
due to the bike lanes. ;-)

Singapore, years ago implemented a system that they originally
intended to control the number of autos on the island. Basically it
used a bidding system to establish the price of a monthly Certificate
of Entitlement which enables one to purchase an auto.

The results is a steady increase in the cost of an automobile in the
city state until I have read that autos in Singapore are the most
expensive in the world.

Unfortunately it didn't accomplish what was intended and the numbers
of autos in Singapore has steadily increase over the years.

It might be noted that even 30 or 40 years ago one saw bicycles used
for transportation all over the island. Now there are almost none.

Apparently people want automobiles and will pay almost any price to
get one.
--
cheers,

John B.

https://thumb7.shutterstock.com/disp...r-82060900.jpg

Frank Krygowski writes:

On 12/21/2016 12:14 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:57:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 12/20/2016 10:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
A bicycling topic in a bicycling newsgroup. WoW! Will wonders never
cease?

Looking at this site: http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ I see that
many people do not know the difference between a Bi-cycle, a
Tri-cycle and/or a Quad-cycle. So many times I read artcile online or
in magazines tha are supposedly about a bicycle when in reality they
are about a tricycle or a quadcycle.

Some government documents and research papers use the term
"pedalcycle."
It works, but certainly isn't euphonious or poetic.

Perhaps even weirder, at least one state legally defines "bicycle" to
include pedal-things with 2, 3 or 4 wheels. The reason? Most laws
regarding pedal-things were written using the term "bicycle." When
things like recumbent trikes began to appear, it was judged easier to
accept them under the legal definition of "bicycle" than to scour all
the legal code to insert "tricycle" (and perhaps "quadricycle") in
every slot.

A little further down the page I linkedto above is a nice DIY cargo
quadcycle.

I note that very few people in the photos seem to be smiling. Perhaps
winter cycling in Copenhagen isn't a paradise experience.

Denmark is at, what, the 50th parallel or so? Maybe 55th? In the
winter that means short days, cold weather, damp sea winds. Brrr.
Despite that, a huge percentage of Copenhageners ride their bikes to get
where they are going year 'round. But it's tranportation, not for
amusement like most of us Americans, because it's fast and convenient.
Extensive infrastructure for bikes is in place.

Owning and operating a car in Denmark is really expensive- the
registration tax for a new car is 105% of the value of the car up to
something like 85,000 Kroner (US$ 11,900) and 180% of the value above
that. Then there is an annual fee that depends on fuel type and
mileage, ranging from 620 Kr to nearly 23,000 Kr (gasoline) and
240-32,000 Kr (diesel). Fuel is 2-3 times what it costs in the US.
FWIW the Krone is worth about US$0.14. Imagine the howls of anguish if
the US tried to impose taxes like that! The Danes I have met tell me
they buy a car once and pay for it twice (sounds to me like they pay for
it about three times).

No wonder Danes ride bikes!

But Joerg says all that doesn't matter. He says all the bicycling is
due to the bike lanes. ;-)

I agree that the arrow of causality there is pointing the other way --
if large numbers of ordinary people, of ordinary means (not poor, and
not athletes) bicycle, for whatever reason, then they will demand, and
get, bicyling facilities.

--

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 11:57:31 -0500, Radey Shouman
wrote:
Frank Krygowski writes:

On 12/21/2016 12:14 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

Owning and operating a car in Denmark is really expensive- the
registration tax for a new car is 105% of the value of the car up to
something like 85,000 Kroner (US$ 11,900) and 180% of the value
above that. Then there is an annual fee that depends on fuel type
and mileage, ranging from 620 Kr to nearly 23,000 Kr (gasoline) and
240-32,000 Kr (diesel). Fuel is 2-3 times what it costs in the US.
FWIW the Krone is worth about US$0.14. Imagine the howls of anguish
if the US tried to impose taxes like that! The Danes I have met
tell me they buy a car once and pay for it twice (sounds to me like
they pay for it about three times).

No wonder Danes ride bikes!

But Joerg says all that doesn't matter. He says all the bicycling is
due to the bike lanes. ;-)

I agree that the arrow of causality there is pointing the other way --
if large numbers of ordinary people, of ordinary means (not poor, and
not athletes) bicycle, for whatever reason, then they will demand, and
get, bicyling facilities.

I have never been to Denmark and I do not know how accurate this is.
What the Danes have told me is that there was a directed plan to reduce
the number of cars on the road and to promote bicycling as the
preferable alternative (even to mass transit). Jacking up the costs of
driving hugely and building infrastructure to entice people out on
bikes- artificilly affecting supply and demand. But I suspect that
biking was already stronger there, given the compactness of the cities,
the terrain, etc., before those efforts were made.

On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 12:30:14 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 11:57:31 -0500, Radey Shouman
wrote:
Frank Krygowski writes:

On 12/21/2016 12:14 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

Owning and operating a car in Denmark is really expensive- the
registration tax for a new car is 105% of the value of the car up to
something like 85,000 Kroner (US$ 11,900) and 180% of the value
above that. Then there is an annual fee that depends on fuel type
and mileage, ranging from 620 Kr to nearly 23,000 Kr (gasoline) and
240-32,000 Kr (diesel). Fuel is 2-3 times what it costs in the US.
FWIW the Krone is worth about US$0.14. Imagine the howls of anguish
if the US tried to impose taxes like that! The Danes I have met
tell me they buy a car once and pay for it twice (sounds to me like
they pay for it about three times).

No wonder Danes ride bikes!

But Joerg says all that doesn't matter. He says all the bicycling is
due to the bike lanes. ;-)

I agree that the arrow of causality there is pointing the other way --
if large numbers of ordinary people, of ordinary means (not poor, and
not athletes) bicycle, for whatever reason, then they will demand, and
get, bicyling facilities.

I have never been to Denmark and I do not know how accurate this is.
What the Danes have told me is that there was a directed plan to reduce
the number of cars on the road and to promote bicycling as the
preferable alternative (even to mass transit). Jacking up the costs of
driving hugely and building infrastructure to entice people out on
bikes- artificilly affecting supply and demand. But I suspect that
biking was already stronger there, given the compactness of the cities,
the terrain, etc., before those efforts were made.

But you have to remember the absolutely forbidding weather. This suggests that most public monies go to public transportation systems over everything else.