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On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 20:04:26 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 7:54:46 PM UTC-7, John B. slocomb wrote: On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:01:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/1/2018 5:44 PM, James wrote: On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle.* I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk.* Hmm. Yes, we don't know why he keyed the vehicle; and I don't think that act is usually unprovoked. In any case, it doesn't justify an attack with a deadly weapon. Damaging a person's car is not the same as damaging his body. But one weird psychological side effect of motoring is that many people react the same way. I've seen guys get enraged when someone leaned on their car, as they would if someone grabbed their neck. I certainly understand what you are saying but we just bought a new car - some $27,000 in U.S. money - and if some nitwit on a bicycle were to carve a groove down the side of the new car I might not run his bike off the road with the car but I'd be tempted, probably beyond my ability to resist, to hit him with a stick. Just to test the effectiveness of his helmet, so to speak. Depending on the severely of the "keying" it can cost several thousand dollars (here, in a decent shop) to return the car to its like new condition. What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? There is no justification, but that does not excuse assault. It is questionable whether you could even effect a citizen's arrest for minor property damage. The most reasonable approach would be to photograph or maybe follow to an address. I really don't know, but running the guy down is clearly not acceptable. -- Jay Beattie. I suppose that my attitude is largely influenced by living in a foreign country for so many years, but the several thousand dollars I mentioned - say two thousand - is not "minor property damage" here. Using the legal minimum salary here, that is about 7 month's wages for a working man. (In Australia, where the event took place, US$2,000 amounts to about a month's pay for a working man.) cheers, John B. |
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John B. slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:01:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/1/2018 5:44 PM, James wrote: On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle.Â* I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk.Â* Hmm. Yes, we don't know why he keyed the vehicle; and I don't think that act is usually unprovoked. In any case, it doesn't justify an attack with a deadly weapon. Damaging a person's car is not the same as damaging his body. But one weird psychological side effect of motoring is that many people react the same way. I've seen guys get enraged when someone leaned on their car, as they would if someone grabbed their neck. I certainly understand what you are saying but we just bought a new car - some $27,000 in U.S. money - and if some nitwit on a bicycle were to carve a groove down the side of the new car I might not run his bike off the road with the car but I'd be tempted, probably beyond my ability to resist, to hit him with a stick. Just to test the effectiveness of his helmet, so to speak. Depending on the severely of the "keying" it can cost several thousand dollars (here, in a decent shop) to return the car to its like new condition. What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? cheers, John B. Maybe you doored him two blocks before. Or maybe he’s a nutcase and generally likes keying cars. -- duane |
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On 2/11/18 8:52 pm, Duane wrote:
Maybe you doored him two blocks before. Or maybe he’s a nutcase and generally likes keying cars. The rider is apparently studying mathematics. Nutcase then ;-) -- JS |
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On 11/1/2018 9:54 PM, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:01:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/1/2018 5:44 PM, James wrote: On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle. I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk. Hmm. Yes, we don't know why he keyed the vehicle; and I don't think that act is usually unprovoked. In any case, it doesn't justify an attack with a deadly weapon. Damaging a person's car is not the same as damaging his body. But one weird psychological side effect of motoring is that many people react the same way. I've seen guys get enraged when someone leaned on their car, as they would if someone grabbed their neck. I certainly understand what you are saying but we just bought a new car - some $27,000 in U.S. money - and if some nitwit on a bicycle were to carve a groove down the side of the new car I might not run his bike off the road with the car but I'd be tempted, probably beyond my ability to resist, to hit him with a stick. Just to test the effectiveness of his helmet, so to speak. Depending on the severely of the "keying" it can cost several thousand dollars (here, in a decent shop) to return the car to its like new condition. What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? Uh, texting while drifting into my lane for starts. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 11/2/2018 8:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/1/2018 9:54 PM, John B. slocomb wrote: On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:01:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/1/2018 5:44 PM, James wrote: On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle.Â* I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk.Â* Hmm. Yes, we don't know why he keyed the vehicle; and I don't think that act is usually unprovoked. In any case, it doesn't justify an attack with a deadly weapon. Damaging a person's car is not the same as damaging his body. But one weird psychological side effect of motoring is that many people react the same way. I've seen guys get enraged when someone leaned on their car, as they would if someone grabbed their neck. I certainly understand what you are saying but we just bought a new car - some $27,000 in U.S. money - and if some nitwit on a bicycle were to carve a groove down the side of the new car I might not run his bike off the road with the car but I'd be tempted, probably beyond my ability to resist, to hit him with a stick.Â* Just to test the effectiveness of his helmet, so to speak. Depending on the severely of the "keying" it can cost several thousand dollars (here, in a decent shop) to return the car to its like new condition. What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? Uh, texting while drifting into my lane for starts. One guy I knew back in the 1960s or 1970s was riding his 250cc motorcycle in traffic and had a motorist tailgating him mercilessly and aggressively. They ended up side by side at a red light shouting at each other. The guy on the motorcycle kicked the driver's door then took off and got away. I suspect something similar must have happened with the cyclist and driver. I think avid bicyclists (judging by his bike) essentially never deliberately damage cars for no reason. One book on my shelf is Dave Glowacz's _Urban Bikers' Tricks & Tips_. He has a couple pages about serious conflicts with motorists. One illustration there shows a particular spot on a windshield, midway up and about 1/4 way across. He warns that if you "accidentally" hit that spot with your fist or your U-lock, you might crack the windshield. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 10:58:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 11/2/2018 8:38 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/1/2018 9:54 PM, John B. slocomb wrote: On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:01:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/1/2018 5:44 PM, James wrote: On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle.* I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk.* Hmm. Yes, we don't know why he keyed the vehicle; and I don't think that act is usually unprovoked. In any case, it doesn't justify an attack with a deadly weapon. Damaging a person's car is not the same as damaging his body. But one weird psychological side effect of motoring is that many people react the same way. I've seen guys get enraged when someone leaned on their car, as they would if someone grabbed their neck. I certainly understand what you are saying but we just bought a new car - some $27,000 in U.S. money - and if some nitwit on a bicycle were to carve a groove down the side of the new car I might not run his bike off the road with the car but I'd be tempted, probably beyond my ability to resist, to hit him with a stick.* Just to test the effectiveness of his helmet, so to speak. Depending on the severely of the "keying" it can cost several thousand dollars (here, in a decent shop) to return the car to its like new condition. What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? Uh, texting while drifting into my lane for starts. One guy I knew back in the 1960s or 1970s was riding his 250cc motorcycle in traffic and had a motorist tailgating him mercilessly and aggressively. They ended up side by side at a red light shouting at each other. The guy on the motorcycle kicked the driver's door then took off and got away. I suspect something similar must have happened with the cyclist and driver. I think avid bicyclists (judging by his bike) essentially never deliberately damage cars for no reason. One book on my shelf is Dave Glowacz's _Urban Bikers' Tricks & Tips_. He has a couple pages about serious conflicts with motorists. One illustration there shows a particular spot on a windshield, midway up and about 1/4 way across. He warns that if you "accidentally" hit that spot with your fist or your U-lock, you might crack the windshield. Or, in other words, it is all right to be a "horses ass" if the other guy is a "horses ass" :-) cheers, John B. |
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On 11/2/2018 6:19 PM, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 10:58:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/2/2018 8:38 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/1/2018 9:54 PM, John B. slocomb wrote: On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:01:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/1/2018 5:44 PM, James wrote: On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle.Â* I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk.Â* Hmm. Yes, we don't know why he keyed the vehicle; and I don't think that act is usually unprovoked. In any case, it doesn't justify an attack with a deadly weapon. Damaging a person's car is not the same as damaging his body. But one weird psychological side effect of motoring is that many people react the same way. I've seen guys get enraged when someone leaned on their car, as they would if someone grabbed their neck. I certainly understand what you are saying but we just bought a new car - some $27,000 in U.S. money - and if some nitwit on a bicycle were to carve a groove down the side of the new car I might not run his bike off the road with the car but I'd be tempted, probably beyond my ability to resist, to hit him with a stick.Â* Just to test the effectiveness of his helmet, so to speak. Depending on the severely of the "keying" it can cost several thousand dollars (here, in a decent shop) to return the car to its like new condition. What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? Uh, texting while drifting into my lane for starts. One guy I knew back in the 1960s or 1970s was riding his 250cc motorcycle in traffic and had a motorist tailgating him mercilessly and aggressively. They ended up side by side at a red light shouting at each other. The guy on the motorcycle kicked the driver's door then took off and got away. I suspect something similar must have happened with the cyclist and driver. I think avid bicyclists (judging by his bike) essentially never deliberately damage cars for no reason. One book on my shelf is Dave Glowacz's _Urban Bikers' Tricks & Tips_. He has a couple pages about serious conflicts with motorists. One illustration there shows a particular spot on a windshield, midway up and about 1/4 way across. He warns that if you "accidentally" hit that spot with your fist or your U-lock, you might crack the windshield. Or, in other words, it is all right to be a "horses ass" if the other guy is a "horses ass" :-) That's a conundrum. It seems wiser to rise above it all and maintain dignity but... Without going into ugly and complicated detail, there's a sort of small scale power struggle going on locally over an institution we care deeply about. The main guy on the other side is an arrogant, obnoxious bully and con man. He's been insulting and condescending to those who oppose him, and Machiavellian in his scheming. Trouble is, he's winning. I know at least three good people who have abandoned positions on boards, committees, etc. largely because they can't stand to be in the same room with him. I've known members of the public who have walked out of meetings for the same reason. The result has been fewer votes against his power grabbing. Seems we need someone willing to be a "horse's ass" as necessary to give him his own medicine. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 19:38:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 11/2/2018 6:19 PM, John B. slocomb wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 10:58:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/2/2018 8:38 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/1/2018 9:54 PM, John B. slocomb wrote: On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:01:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/1/2018 5:44 PM, James wrote: On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle.* I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk.* Hmm. Yes, we don't know why he keyed the vehicle; and I don't think that act is usually unprovoked. In any case, it doesn't justify an attack with a deadly weapon. Damaging a person's car is not the same as damaging his body. But one weird psychological side effect of motoring is that many people react the same way. I've seen guys get enraged when someone leaned on their car, as they would if someone grabbed their neck. I certainly understand what you are saying but we just bought a new car - some $27,000 in U.S. money - and if some nitwit on a bicycle were to carve a groove down the side of the new car I might not run his bike off the road with the car but I'd be tempted, probably beyond my ability to resist, to hit him with a stick.* Just to test the effectiveness of his helmet, so to speak. Depending on the severely of the "keying" it can cost several thousand dollars (here, in a decent shop) to return the car to its like new condition. What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? Uh, texting while drifting into my lane for starts. One guy I knew back in the 1960s or 1970s was riding his 250cc motorcycle in traffic and had a motorist tailgating him mercilessly and aggressively. They ended up side by side at a red light shouting at each other. The guy on the motorcycle kicked the driver's door then took off and got away. I suspect something similar must have happened with the cyclist and driver. I think avid bicyclists (judging by his bike) essentially never deliberately damage cars for no reason. One book on my shelf is Dave Glowacz's _Urban Bikers' Tricks & Tips_. He has a couple pages about serious conflicts with motorists. One illustration there shows a particular spot on a windshield, midway up and about 1/4 way across. He warns that if you "accidentally" hit that spot with your fist or your U-lock, you might crack the windshield. Or, in other words, it is all right to be a "horses ass" if the other guy is a "horses ass" :-) That's a conundrum. It seems wiser to rise above it all and maintain dignity but... Without going into ugly and complicated detail, there's a sort of small scale power struggle going on locally over an institution we care deeply about. The main guy on the other side is an arrogant, obnoxious bully and con man. He's been insulting and condescending to those who oppose him, and Machiavellian in his scheming. Trouble is, he's winning. I know at least three good people who have abandoned positions on boards, committees, etc. largely because they can't stand to be in the same room with him. I've known members of the public who have walked out of meetings for the same reason. The result has been fewer votes against his power grabbing. Seems we need someone willing to be a "horse's ass" as necessary to give him his own medicine. Well, it works :-) Back when I was in grade school my mother ran to be elected to the school board - I guess she figured that if HER kids were in school SHE'd better be in a position to manage things. Well, she was elected and she did get her way... From having lived with her for a lot of years I know that she was never "insulting and condescending" just "set in her ways" and "never gave up the fight", so to speak. In thinking back I don't believe my mother ever referred to my father directly, it was always in the 3rd person, "Your Father says", or "Your Father wants" and in really bad times, "Just wait 'till your Father gets home". cheers, John B. |
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