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Since I've been contemplating a fetch bike, I thought that perhaps an electra townie type so called flat foot bikes as a grocery getter in that the rear rack (which is mentioned by a couple of the posters) wouldn't have the interference while pedaling like a more conventional bike. I get that the mechanics (ie-standing to pedal) might not be good but at my age the standing isn't really used that much anyway! Regards, Pat
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patrick wrote:
Since I've been contemplating a fetch bike, I thought that perhaps an electra townie type so called flat foot bikes as a grocery getter in that the rear rack (which is mentioned by a couple of the posters) wouldn't have the interference while pedaling like a more conventional bike. I get that the mechanics (ie-standing to pedal) might not be good but at my age the standing isn't really used that much anyway! Regards, Pat You're almost certainly right in that a feed-forward design will cure the feet-to-pannier-basket clearance problem. The real problem is that all pannier setups tend to put heavy loads too far aft, past the rear axle. Having the CG too close to the rear axle is what causes instability and a tendency to wheelie. A better solution is to move the rider forward, away from the rear wheel, but then the whole bike gets longer and heavier. The extreme would be a tandem, with the panniers where the stoker would sit. One sees cargo bikes like that around my neighborhood, usually with a kid seat above the panniers. It's a huge bus of a bike. Ideal for its purpose, but only one purpose and expernsive to boot. A standard upright bike with ordinary folding baskets carries most shopping loads easily. For heavier loads a trailer is an easy incremental improvement. Of course, if you happen to have an old tandem lying around, so much the better... My $.02, bob prohaska |
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On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 7:13:00 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 23:28:24 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska wrote: patrick wrote: Since I've been contemplating a fetch bike, I thought that perhaps an electra townie type so called flat foot bikes as a grocery getter in that the rear rack (which is mentioned by a couple of the posters) wouldn't have the interference while pedaling like a more conventional bike. I get that the mechanics (ie-standing to pedal) might not be good but at my age the standing isn't really used that much anyway! Regards, Pat You're almost certainly right in that a feed-forward design will cure the feet-to-pannier-basket clearance problem. The real problem is that all pannier setups tend to put heavy loads too far aft, past the rear axle. Having the CG too close to the rear axle is what causes instability and a tendency to wheelie. A better solution is to move the rider forward, away from the rear wheel, but then the whole bike gets longer and heavier. The extreme would be a tandem, with the panniers where the stoker would sit. One sees cargo bikes like that around my neighborhood, usually with a kid seat above the panniers. It's a huge bus of a bike. Ideal for its purpose, but only one purpose and expernsive to boot. A standard upright bike with ordinary folding baskets carries most shopping loads easily. For heavier loads a trailer is an easy incremental improvement. Of course, if you happen to have an old tandem lying around, so much the better... My $.02, bob prohaska https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0SEpVo33AM :-) -- Cheers, John B. I see that a lot of people including whomever gave the video its title don't know the difference between a bicycle and a tricycle. Hint, a BIcycle has TWO wheels and A TRIcycle has THREE wheels. LOL VBEG ;) Other than the 2-wheel Bullitts in that video almost all of the Cargo Bikes are actually Cargo Trikes. Cheers |
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 16:59:06 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 7:13:00 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 23:28:24 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska wrote: patrick wrote: Since I've been contemplating a fetch bike, I thought that perhaps an electra townie type so called flat foot bikes as a grocery getter in that the rear rack (which is mentioned by a couple of the posters) wouldn't have the interference while pedaling like a more conventional bike. I get that the mechanics (ie-standing to pedal) might not be good but at my age the standing isn't really used that much anyway! Regards, Pat You're almost certainly right in that a feed-forward design will cure the feet-to-pannier-basket clearance problem. The real problem is that all pannier setups tend to put heavy loads too far aft, past the rear axle. Having the CG too close to the rear axle is what causes instability and a tendency to wheelie. A better solution is to move the rider forward, away from the rear wheel, but then the whole bike gets longer and heavier. The extreme would be a tandem, with the panniers where the stoker would sit. One sees cargo bikes like that around my neighborhood, usually with a kid seat above the panniers. It's a huge bus of a bike. Ideal for its purpose, but only one purpose and expernsive to boot. A standard upright bike with ordinary folding baskets carries most shopping loads easily. For heavier loads a trailer is an easy incremental improvement. Of course, if you happen to have an old tandem lying around, so much the better... My $.02, bob prohaska https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0SEpVo33AM :-) -- Cheers, John B. I see that a lot of people including whomever gave the video its title don't know the difference between a bicycle and a tricycle. Hint, a BIcycle has TWO wheels and A TRIcycle has THREE wheels. LOL VBEG ;) Other than the 2-wheel Bullitts in that video almost all of the Cargo Bikes are actually Cargo Trikes. Cheers True, but a tri-cycle can carry more and more varied loads than a bi-cycle :-) For the pure at heart see: https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...t-cargo-bikes/ -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 6:24:17 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 16:59:06 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 7:13:00 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 23:28:24 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska wrote: patrick wrote: Since I've been contemplating a fetch bike, I thought that perhaps an electra townie type so called flat foot bikes as a grocery getter in that the rear rack (which is mentioned by a couple of the posters) wouldn't have the interference while pedaling like a more conventional bike. I get that the mechanics (ie-standing to pedal) might not be good but at my age the standing isn't really used that much anyway! Regards, Pat You're almost certainly right in that a feed-forward design will cure the feet-to-pannier-basket clearance problem. The real problem is that all pannier setups tend to put heavy loads too far aft, past the rear axle. Having the CG too close to the rear axle is what causes instability and a tendency to wheelie. A better solution is to move the rider forward, away from the rear wheel, but then the whole bike gets longer and heavier. The extreme would be a tandem, with the panniers where the stoker would sit. One sees cargo bikes like that around my neighborhood, usually with a kid seat above the panniers. It's a huge bus of a bike. Ideal for its purpose, but only one purpose and expernsive to boot. A standard upright bike with ordinary folding baskets carries most shopping loads easily. For heavier loads a trailer is an easy incremental improvement. Of course, if you happen to have an old tandem lying around, so much the better... My $.02, bob prohaska https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0SEpVo33AM :-) -- Cheers, John B. I see that a lot of people including whomever gave the video its title don't know the difference between a bicycle and a tricycle. Hint, a BIcycle has TWO wheels and A TRIcycle has THREE wheels. LOL VBEG ;) Other than the 2-wheel Bullitts in that video almost all of the Cargo Bikes are actually Cargo Trikes. Cheers True, but a tri-cycle can carry more and more varied loads than a bi-cycle :-) For the pure at heart see: https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...t-cargo-bikes/ Groan. I'll drive. I remember when I didn't own a car. I would borrow my sister's car and do a massive shop. Then I would pick up this and that on my bike. I still do that -- except I own my own car, and a lot of times I'll just walk the half mile to the local market. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:54:05 -0800 (PST), patrick
wrote: Since I've been contemplating a fetch bike, I thought that perhaps an electra townie type so called flat foot bikes as a grocery getter in that the rear rack (which is mentioned by a couple of the posters) wouldn't have the interference while pedaling like a more conventional bike. I get that the mechanics (ie-standing to pedal) might not be good but at my age the standing isn't really used that much anyway! Regards, Pat A crank-forward bike makes standing impossible, though it is possible to take a run at a pavement-end by pulling back on the handlebars enough to rise from the seat. After a few tries, I gave up taking my comfort bike through intersections -- since you can't apply any force to the pedals, it is impossible to start quickly; if there isn't a slight downslope, I can still be pushing with my feet in the hope of getting up steerage way when I'm nearly across -- and the middle of an intersection isn't the place where I want most of my attention on managing the bike. But because it's impossible to put force on the pedals, it's quite safe to ride it when I'm fragile. When I come to a hill, the deep notch in the frame allows me to walk beside it with the bars straight in front, so that I can use it as a cane -- it also works as a walker if I stay astraddle, but it's awkward to climb a hill that way. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ |
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On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 22:14:37 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:54:05 -0800 (PST), patrick wrote: Since I've been contemplating a fetch bike, I thought that perhaps an electra townie type so called flat foot bikes as a grocery getter in that the rear rack (which is mentioned by a couple of the posters) wouldn't have the interference while pedaling like a more conventional bike. I get that the mechanics (ie-standing to pedal) might not be good but at my age the standing isn't really used that much anyway! Regards, Pat A crank-forward bike makes standing impossible, though it is possible to take a run at a pavement-end by pulling back on the handlebars enough to rise from the seat. After a few tries, I gave up taking my comfort bike through intersections -- since you can't apply any force to the pedals, it is impossible to start quickly; if there isn't a slight downslope, I can still be pushing with my feet in the hope of getting up steerage way when I'm nearly across -- and the middle of an intersection isn't the place where I want most of my attention on managing the bike. But because it's impossible to put force on the pedals, it's quite safe to ride it when I'm fragile. When I come to a hill, the deep notch in the frame allows me to walk beside it with the bars straight in front, so that I can use it as a cane -- it also works as a walker if I stay astraddle, but it's awkward to climb a hill that way. What is a "comfort bike"? I goggled it and found something like this https://www.amazon.com/comfort-bikes...8&node=3403981 -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 4:38:27 AM UTC+1, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 22:14:37 -0500, Joy Beeson wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:54:05 -0800 (PST), patrick wrote: Since I've been contemplating a fetch bike, I thought that perhaps an electra townie type so called flat foot bikes as a grocery getter in that the rear rack (which is mentioned by a couple of the posters) wouldn't have the interference while pedaling like a more conventional bike. I get that the mechanics (ie-standing to pedal) might not be good but at my age the standing isn't really used that much anyway! Regards, Pat A crank-forward bike makes standing impossible, though it is possible to take a run at a pavement-end by pulling back on the handlebars enough to rise from the seat. After a few tries, I gave up taking my comfort bike through intersections -- since you can't apply any force to the pedals, it is impossible to start quickly; if there isn't a slight downslope, I can still be pushing with my feet in the hope of getting up steerage way when I'm nearly across -- and the middle of an intersection isn't the place where I want most of my attention on managing the bike. But because it's impossible to put force on the pedals, it's quite safe to ride it when I'm fragile. When I come to a hill, the deep notch in the frame allows me to walk beside it with the bars straight in front, so that I can use it as a cane -- it also works as a walker if I stay astraddle, but it's awkward to climb a hill that way. What is a "comfort bike"? I goggled it and found something like this https://www.amazon.com/comfort-bikes...8&node=3403981 -- Cheers, John B. This is a comfortbike https://www.omafiets.nl/altec-omafiets-basic-zwart popular in the Netherlands among teenagers because they can easily operate their smart phones Lou |
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On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 4:05:29 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 6:24:17 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 16:59:06 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 7:13:00 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 23:28:24 -0000 (UTC), bob prohaska wrote: patrick wrote: Since I've been contemplating a fetch bike, I thought that perhaps an electra townie type so called flat foot bikes as a grocery getter in that the rear rack (which is mentioned by a couple of the posters) wouldn't have the interference while pedaling like a more conventional bike. I get that the mechanics (ie-standing to pedal) might not be good but at my age the standing isn't really used that much anyway! Regards, Pat You're almost certainly right in that a feed-forward design will cure the feet-to-pannier-basket clearance problem. The real problem is that all pannier setups tend to put heavy loads too far aft, past the rear axle. Having the CG too close to the rear axle is what causes instability and a tendency to wheelie. A better solution is to move the rider forward, away from the rear wheel, but then the whole bike gets longer and heavier. The extreme would be a tandem, with the panniers where the stoker would sit. One sees cargo bikes like that around my neighborhood, usually with a kid seat above the panniers. It's a huge bus of a bike. Ideal for its purpose, but only one purpose and expernsive to boot. A standard upright bike with ordinary folding baskets carries most shopping loads easily. For heavier loads a trailer is an easy incremental improvement. Of course, if you happen to have an old tandem lying around, so much the better... My $.02, bob prohaska https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0SEpVo33AM :-) -- Cheers, John B. I see that a lot of people including whomever gave the video its title don't know the difference between a bicycle and a tricycle. Hint, a BIcycle has TWO wheels and A TRIcycle has THREE wheels. LOL VBEG ;) Other than the 2-wheel Bullitts in that video almost all of the Cargo Bikes are actually Cargo Trikes. Cheers True, but a tri-cycle can carry more and more varied loads than a bi-cycle :-) For the pure at heart see: https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...t-cargo-bikes/ Groan. I'll drive. I remember when I didn't own a car. I would borrow my sister's car and do a massive shop. Then I would pick up this and that on my bike. I still do that -- except I own my own car, and a lot of times I'll just walk the half mile to the local market. -- Jay Beattie. Me too. Hauling groceries is a perfect application for a car. Doing your weekly shopping by bicycle just because I don't get. For a few forgotten items it can be more practical at a time there is a lot of traffic and busy parking lots. But other than that I take my car without any guilt. Lou |
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On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 4:38:27 AM UTC+1, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 22:14:37 -0500, Joy Beeson wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:54:05 -0800 (PST), patrick wrote: Since I've been contemplating a fetch bike, I thought that perhaps an electra townie type so called flat foot bikes as a grocery getter in that the rear rack (which is mentioned by a couple of the posters) wouldn't have the interference while pedaling like a more conventional bike. I get that the mechanics (ie-standing to pedal) might not be good but at my age the standing isn't really used that much anyway! Regards, Pat A crank-forward bike makes standing impossible, though it is possible to take a run at a pavement-end by pulling back on the handlebars enough to rise from the seat. After a few tries, I gave up taking my comfort bike through intersections -- since you can't apply any force to the pedals, it is impossible to start quickly; if there isn't a slight downslope, I can still be pushing with my feet in the hope of getting up steerage way when I'm nearly across -- and the middle of an intersection isn't the place where I want most of my attention on managing the bike. But because it's impossible to put force on the pedals, it's quite safe to ride it when I'm fragile. When I come to a hill, the deep notch in the frame allows me to walk beside it with the bars straight in front, so that I can use it as a cane -- it also works as a walker if I stay astraddle, but it's awkward to climb a hill that way. What is a "comfort bike"? I goggled it and found something like this https://www.amazon.com/comfort-bikes...TF8&node403981 -- Cheers, John B. This is a comfortbike https://www.omafiets.nl/altec-omafiets-basic-zwart popular in the Netherlands among teenagers because they can easily operate their smart phones Lou I tend to think of something like this. https://m.dickssportinggoods.com/p/n...nshktmrck15cmf Quite an upright riding position, large padded seat, high flat handlebars, minimal front suspension, step through frame. Whenever I see somebody riding one it reminds me of a person riding an ostrich because they're so upright. |
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