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Why the old guard may need to go
Ultimately, I think it's time for Johan, and the other directors from that
generation, to step aside. Too much history, too much association with doping. If things are truly going to change, and if the ASO stays so stupid that it refuses to extend any forgiveness whatsoever to sins of the past, then the people themselves have to leave. But we're missing a huge opportunity in doing so. An opportunity that's probably already past, I'm afraid. It would have made more sense, I think, if those of yesteryear were allowed to talk, and become instruments of change, rather than be forced to continue with their non-secrets still packed away in the closet, leaving the riders to believe that it's OK if you don't get caught, and that the anti-doping efforts aren't any more serious now than then. All because those associated with those past times can't deal with it openly without fear of being banned from cycling. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com |
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Why the old guard may need to go
Dans le message de ,
Mike Jacoubowsky a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré : Ultimately, I think it's time for Johan, and the other directors from that generation, to step aside. Too much history, too much association with doping. If things are truly going to change, and if the ASO stays so stupid that it refuses to extend any forgiveness whatsoever to sins of the past, then the people themselves have to leave. But we're missing a huge opportunity in doing so. An opportunity that's probably already past, I'm afraid. It would have made more sense, I think, if those of yesteryear were allowed to talk, and become instruments of change, rather than be forced to continue with their non-secrets still packed away in the closet, leaving the riders to believe that it's OK if you don't get caught, and that the anti-doping efforts aren't any more serious now than then. All because those associated with those past times can't deal with it openly without fear of being banned from cycling. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com Hey, that's perfect corporate strategy. Can the old guys who may be experienced, wise, capable of guiding exuberant and headstrong racers, who have offered the sport the greater part of their careers without bitching, and of course with some record of success. Replace them with capable, goofy-smile dopes (not dopers) for 20% of the cost (and no expense account - they overnight in the team trailer, no bus), less security, no clout with organizers, UCI, colleagues, just when they find out they can't handle the speed of the Elite 2 circuit because they stink. And sponsors, too. Any company with annual revenues over 50 million is barred, and if it's a subsidiary, you count the mother ship to calculate. Then you find only racers who have never competed internationally (or successfully, like Bouygues) and have a morbid fear of any kind of innoculation, injection or applied cream. They get corn flakes, sugar and milk with no limit. No coffee, of course. Bikes are next. Weight minimum of 10kg. If it was good enough for Coppi, it's still good today. 6 speed maximum. No carbon. And support cars? No support cars, offering 80 water bottles to a single rider in a single race/stage. They want water, they stop at the local grocer along the way. Yes, indeed - sounds like the future of pro cycling mapped out to a "T". Hysteria comes in many forms, including mass hysteria. Anti-doping crusades are feel-good hypocrisy. -- Sandy -- C'est le contraire du vélo, la bicyclette. Une silhouette profilée mauve fluo dévale à soixante-dix à l'heure : c'est du vélo. Deux lycéennes côte à côte traversent un pont à Bruges : c'est de la bicyclette. -Delerm, P. |
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Why the old guard may need to go
Hysteria comes in many forms, including mass hysteria. Anti-doping
crusades are feel-good hypocrisy. Hey, don't jump on me. I agree with you. But the ASO has forced this issue. It's the ASO that pretends it's history is as a clean sport and then goes after anyone who reveals details otherwise (Riis). An extraordinarily-cynical way of looking at it would be that the new, dramatically-lower-but-level playing field you predict would make the French more competitive. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA "Sandy" wrote in message ... Dans le message de , Mike Jacoubowsky a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré : Ultimately, I think it's time for Johan, and the other directors from that generation, to step aside. Too much history, too much association with doping. If things are truly going to change, and if the ASO stays so stupid that it refuses to extend any forgiveness whatsoever to sins of the past, then the people themselves have to leave. But we're missing a huge opportunity in doing so. An opportunity that's probably already past, I'm afraid. It would have made more sense, I think, if those of yesteryear were allowed to talk, and become instruments of change, rather than be forced to continue with their non-secrets still packed away in the closet, leaving the riders to believe that it's OK if you don't get caught, and that the anti-doping efforts aren't any more serious now than then. All because those associated with those past times can't deal with it openly without fear of being banned from cycling. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com Hey, that's perfect corporate strategy. Can the old guys who may be experienced, wise, capable of guiding exuberant and headstrong racers, who have offered the sport the greater part of their careers without bitching, and of course with some record of success. Replace them with capable, goofy-smile dopes (not dopers) for 20% of the cost (and no expense account - they overnight in the team trailer, no bus), less security, no clout with organizers, UCI, colleagues, just when they find out they can't handle the speed of the Elite 2 circuit because they stink. And sponsors, too. Any company with annual revenues over 50 million is barred, and if it's a subsidiary, you count the mother ship to calculate. Then you find only racers who have never competed internationally (or successfully, like Bouygues) and have a morbid fear of any kind of innoculation, injection or applied cream. They get corn flakes, sugar and milk with no limit. No coffee, of course. Bikes are next. Weight minimum of 10kg. If it was good enough for Coppi, it's still good today. 6 speed maximum. No carbon. And support cars? No support cars, offering 80 water bottles to a single rider in a single race/stage. They want water, they stop at the local grocer along the way. Yes, indeed - sounds like the future of pro cycling mapped out to a "T". Hysteria comes in many forms, including mass hysteria. Anti-doping crusades are feel-good hypocrisy. -- Sandy -- C'est le contraire du vélo, la bicyclette. Une silhouette profilée mauve fluo dévale à soixante-dix à l'heure : c'est du vélo. Deux lycéennes côte à côte traversent un pont à Bruges : c'est de la bicyclette. -Delerm, P. |
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Why the old guard may need to go
Bravo! Well said.
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message ... Ultimately, I think it's time for Johan, and the other directors from that generation, to step aside. Too much history, too much association with doping. If things are truly going to change, and if the ASO stays so stupid that it refuses to extend any forgiveness whatsoever to sins of the past, then the people themselves have to leave. But we're missing a huge opportunity in doing so. An opportunity that's probably already past, I'm afraid. It would have made more sense, I think, if those of yesteryear were allowed to talk, and become instruments of change, rather than be forced to continue with their non-secrets still packed away in the closet, leaving the riders to believe that it's OK if you don't get caught, and that the anti-doping efforts aren't any more serious now than then. All because those associated with those past times can't deal with it openly without fear of being banned from cycling. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com |
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Why the old guard may need to go
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
... Ultimately, I think it's time for Johan, and the other directors from that generation, to step aside. Too much history, too much association with doping. If things are truly going to change, and if the ASO stays so stupid that it refuses to extend any forgiveness whatsoever to sins of the past, then the people themselves have to leave. But we're missing a huge opportunity in doing so. An opportunity that's probably already past, I'm afraid. It would have made more sense, I think, if those of yesteryear were allowed to talk, and become instruments of change, rather than be forced to continue with their non-secrets still packed away in the closet, leaving the riders to believe that it's OK if you don't get caught, and that the anti-doping efforts aren't any more serious now than then. All because those associated with those past times can't deal with it openly without fear of being banned from cycling. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com Who that has raced for Johan has tested positive for drugs? Floyd, who I believe is innocent. Tyler H., about whom I'm not sure. Who else? I'd like to know Johan's record compared to that of other team directors before lumping him in with the old guard. Just my opinion. -S- |
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Why the old guard may need to go
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Mike Jacoubowsky a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré : Hysteria comes in many forms, including mass hysteria. Anti-doping crusades are feel-good hypocrisy. Hey, don't jump on me. I agree with you. But the ASO has forced this issue. It's the ASO that pretends it's history is as a clean sport and then goes after anyone who reveals details otherwise (Riis). An extraordinarily-cynical way of looking at it would be that the new, dramatically-lower-but-level playing field you predict would make the French more competitive. You'd have to be hard doping to think the French would do better. :-) |
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Why the old guard may need to go
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
... Ultimately, I think it's time for Johan, and the other directors from that generation, to step aside. Too much history, too much association with doping. Yeah, me too, I think that what we need is an entirely new generation of DS's that don't have the slightest idea of what is going on with their riders when they're doped to the gills. |
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Why the old guard may need to go
Who that has raced for Johan has tested positive for drugs? Floyd, who I
believe is innocent. Tyler H., about whom I'm not sure. Who else? I'd like to know Johan's record compared to that of other team directors before lumping him in with the old guard. It doesn't matter. My point was that they could have set up a structure that would have removed doubt, both from the public and from the riders themselves. But as things stand, we just don't know. And that uncertainty is what is most-assuredly holding back progress. Once we know, we can deal with it and move on. If we deal with it fairly, the future looks bright. If we deal with it in a draconian fashion, people will find better things to do with their lives than race bikes. Right now, whether guilty or innocent in their past life, their (the DS) protestations will be the same, because admission of guilt, no matter how far back, appears to be very bad for your future. That needs to change. Without that change, the only way we can deal with it, in a way that makes sense for the racers, is to sweep clean any possible suspects from management, with or without proof. I cannot believe I'm saying this. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA |
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Why the old guard may need to go
"Sandy" wrote in message
... Dans le message de , Mike Jacoubowsky a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré : Hysteria comes in many forms, including mass hysteria. Anti-doping crusades are feel-good hypocrisy. Hey, don't jump on me. I agree with you. But the ASO has forced this issue. It's the ASO that pretends it's history is as a clean sport and then goes after anyone who reveals details otherwise (Riis). An extraordinarily-cynical way of looking at it would be that the new, dramatically-lower-but-level playing field you predict would make the French more competitive. You'd have to be hard doping to think the French would do better. :-) Sandy, most of the time you make a lot of sense. Only when you fly off into one of your uncharacteristic campaigns against doping do we seem to disagree. You can't get rid of doping in sports. The best you can do is continually try to keep up with the new doping methods and test test test. The older riders who have seen all of it and who have then seen many of their friends die relatively young from side effects are probably far better equipped to deal with the drugging in the sport than feckless preachers. |
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Why the old guard may need to go
Dans le message de ,
Mike Jacoubowsky a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré : Who that has raced for Johan has tested positive for drugs? Floyd, who I believe is innocent. Tyler H., about whom I'm not sure. Who else? I'd like to know Johan's record compared to that of other team directors before lumping him in with the old guard. It doesn't matter. My point was that they could have set up a structure that would have removed doubt, both from the public and from the riders themselves. But as things stand, we just don't know. And that uncertainty is what is most-assuredly holding back progress. Once we know, we can deal with it and move on. If we deal with it fairly, the future looks bright. If we deal with it in a draconian fashion, people will find better things to do with their lives than race bikes. Right now, whether guilty or innocent in their past life, their (the DS) protestations will be the same, because admission of guilt, no matter how far back, appears to be very bad for your future. That needs to change. Without that change, the only way we can deal with it, in a way that makes sense for the racers, is to sweep clean any possible suspects from management, with or without proof. I cannot believe I'm saying this. --Mike Jacoubowsky You STILL propose chopping off old heads and replace them with unknowns. You mean to say young managers won't cheat? Like young riders? Stop, please. Better, have all national federations vote to withdraw from Olympics, forcing UCI to abandon association with WADA. If crimes are committed (most countries now punish doping conduct), let civil authorities handle it. Refer all appeals to commercial arbitration, not TAS. You'd be surprised, perhaps, to learn how formidable it can be to act like a grown up. BTW, riders ought to consult their own doctors, first, not team doctors. The veneer of the argument against doping is that riders injure their health with these things. If you were forced to change your personal physician each year or two, how happy would that make you? -- Sandy Verneuil-sur-Seine FR "Le Vin est la plus saine et la plus hygiénique des boissons." - Louis Pasteur |
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