I am that out of date

jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 6:17:58 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 05:46:31 +0700, John B.
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 14:54:10 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 4/16/2021 1:08 PM, Mark cleary wrote:
The local bike shop needs a mechanic they called me about doing some
work for them. They knew I could build wheels and repair them and the
manger of shop knows me. Well I go in to discuss things and they said
most all the work they do is on disk brake bikes. That surprised me
although they are a Trek Dealer.

It's amazing how fast disc brakes have taken over, even on road bikes.
Perhaps it's just an effort by manufacturers to get new customers to
avoid buying used rim brake bicycles. You've seen how one poster here is
incredulous that no one is buying his used rim brake Trek for the price
he wants, but the reality is that a use rim brake road bicycle is no
longer desirable by many buyers even though in most cases there's little
benefit to disc brakes on a road bike.

Well, It's NEW! and therefore MUST be better! Just like a 11 speed
bicycle must be better then a 10 speed bicycle :-)
Not good enough. Soon, the 22 speed corn cob will become the de facto
standard for excellence in cycling overkill.
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/#Corn%2520Cobb%2520Freewheel.jpg
To make a reasonably straight chain line with 22 gears, just stack up
two identical triple gear chain rings that cover 2 or 3 adjacent gears
on the freewheel. Shifting both front and rear derailleurs
simultaneously might require contortionist or a computer, but those
are easy enough to find. It might also be rather difficult to ride,
but that's easily forgiven by owner in trade for the cool looking
photo opportunities. Patents pending.

Soon everyone will be riding on 22 speed freewheels and cassettes.


Nothing introduced after 1975 -- by personal proclamation the index year
for the golden age of cycling -- is worth a ****. Not STI, good
clinchers, more comfortable tires, discs, electronic, step in pedals,
etc., etc. Its all marketing, posing, consumer nonsense. All of my
current bikes are just marketing and flash. I hate them and will burn
them in a heap and then go get a real bike -- a 1975 bleeding-edge 126mm
six speed (13-19) with a boat anchor qua seat post with two adjusting
bolts buried under the saddle for maximum inconvenience. I'm going to
get real leather toe-straps with the Holstein fur exteriors still intact,
hubs with imaginary seals for wet weather riding in the PNW. Maybe some
Mathauser brake pads. And a bottle dyno with an incandescent light.
Forward into the past!

-- Jay Beattie.



Don’t forget the chromed steel rims. Nobody appears to be lamenting the
demise of chromed steel rims.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:53:07 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:
Don’t forget the chromed steel rims. Nobody appears to be lamenting the
demise of chromed steel rims.

Chromed? All of my 1950's bicycles had rust colored and matt finish
rims. Were they suppose to be chrome plated?

There seems to still be a market for all chrome bicycles:
https://oldbike.wordpress.com/1953-cyclemaster-raleigh-all-chrome-superbe/
https://www.google.com/search?q=low+rider+all+chrome+bicycle&tbm=isch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S13UjiFHV2g

Incidentally, if you're building a beach cruiser or lowrider bicycle,
chrome rims go well with the 144 spoke wheels:
https://www.google.com/search?q=26"+beach+cruiser+chrome+wheels&tbm=isch
https://www.toplowrider.com/12-Lowrider-Bike-Chrome-512_p_11141.html

--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 07:22:20 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 5:42:17 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/16/2021 6:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

snip
Not good enough. Soon, the 22 speed corn cob will become the de facto
standard for excellence in cycling overkill.
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/#Corn%2520Cobb%2520Freewheel.jpg
To make a reasonably straight chain line with 22 gears, just stack up
two identical triple gear chain rings that cover 2 or 3 adjacent gears
on the freewheel. Shifting both front and rear derailleurs
simultaneously might require contortionist or a computer, but those
are easy enough to find. It might also be rather difficult to ride,
but that's easily forgiven by owner in trade for the cool looking
photo opportunities. Patents pending.

Soon everyone will be riding on 22 speed freewheels and cassettes.
This is really impractical in terms of wheel building.

I like the wide-range 12 speed cassettes but that's about the limit.

On my touring bike I paired a Garbaruk 12 cog 10-52 Cassette
https://www.garbaruk.com/12-speed-xd.html with an SRAM DD3 dual drive
hub https://lunacycle.com/sram-dd3-igh-3-speed-hub-with-shifter/ and
added a Mountain Tamer Quad 4th chainring
http://abundantadventures.com/quads.html#MOUNTAIN_TAMER_QUADTM_49.95,
then added a Schlumpf Mountain Drive
http://www.schlumpfdrive.com/index.php/mountain-drive.html.

It's nice having a selection of 288 different gear combinations though
because of overlap it's really only 123 actual different gear ratios.

The range between the lowest gear and the highest gear is amazing. The
lowest gear is so low that even at a cadence of 240 rpm you're not going
fast enough to stay upright. The highest gear is so high that it's only
usable when going downhill on grades of 12% or more at speeds of 80 mph
or greater.

It's kind of a pain dealing with four separate gear shifters but there
are some after-market wireless electronic shifters that I may add and
control them with a smart phone app. Then I'll put the bike up for sale
on eBay and when no one is willing to pay what I spent on these
improvements I'll complain about it here.

I was disappointed to learn that there is no 14 speed Rohloff SPEEDHUB
that can accept a cassette so my dream of 1,344 gear combinations was
thwarted.
Well at least we the comedic fools that love to post about things they know so little about. Except Jay, who feels the need to tout "modern" construction and components to use of them because he got them at cut rate prices through his son.

"Well at least we the comedic fools that love to post about things
they know so little about."???

Well you misspelled "comic" but otherwise you seem to be describing
yourself.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 8:52:49 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 6:17:58 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 05:46:31 +0700, John B.
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 14:54:10 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 4/16/2021 1:08 PM, Mark cleary wrote:
The local bike shop needs a mechanic they called me about doing some work for them. They knew I could build wheels and repair them and the manger of shop knows me. Well I go in to discuss things and they said most all the work they do is on disk brake bikes. That surprised me although they are a Trek Dealer.

It's amazing how fast disc brakes have taken over, even on road bikes..
Perhaps it's just an effort by manufacturers to get new customers to
avoid buying used rim brake bicycles. You've seen how one poster here is
incredulous that no one is buying his used rim brake Trek for the price
he wants, but the reality is that a use rim brake road bicycle is no
longer desirable by many buyers even though in most cases there's little
benefit to disc brakes on a road bike.

Well, It's NEW! and therefore MUST be better! Just like a 11 speed
bicycle must be better then a 10 speed bicycle :-)
Not good enough. Soon, the 22 speed corn cob will become the de facto
standard for excellence in cycling overkill.
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/#Corn%2520Cobb%2520Freewheel.jpg
To make a reasonably straight chain line with 22 gears, just stack up
two identical triple gear chain rings that cover 2 or 3 adjacent gears
on the freewheel. Shifting both front and rear derailleurs
simultaneously might require contortionist or a computer, but those
are easy enough to find. It might also be rather difficult to ride,
but that's easily forgiven by owner in trade for the cool looking
photo opportunities. Patents pending.

Soon everyone will be riding on 22 speed freewheels and cassettes.

I hate them and will burn them in a heap and then go get a real bike

-- Jay Beattie.

Now I am aware of them new fangled high tech bamboo bikes, but other than that, I don't think bicycles will be too flammable. Metal doesn't burn too well. Although I think I have seen some YouTube videos of some metal that does catch fire and burn really hot. But I don't think bikes are made out of that special metal. I'm guessing that special metal might also cost a whole lot. And $100k bikes won't sell too well.

On 17/04/2021 00:46, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 14:54:10 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 4/16/2021 1:08 PM, Mark cleary wrote:
The local bike shop needs a mechanic they called me about doing some work for them. They knew I could build wheels and repair them and the manger of shop knows me. Well I go in to discuss things and they said most all the work they do is on disk brake bikes. That surprised me although they are a Trek Dealer.

It's amazing how fast disc brakes have taken over, even on road bikes.
Perhaps it's just an effort by manufacturers to get new customers to
avoid buying used rim brake bicycles. You've seen how one poster here is
incredulous that no one is buying his used rim brake Trek for the price
he wants, but the reality is that a use rim brake road bicycle is no
longer desirable by many buyers even though in most cases there's little
benefit to disc brakes on a road bike.

Well, It's NEW! and therefore MUST be better! Just like a 11 speed
bicycle must be better then a 10 speed bicycle :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2HP25bKztE

:-)

On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 7:42:17 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 4/16/2021 6:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

snip
Not good enough. Soon, the 22 speed corn cob will become the de facto
standard for excellence in cycling overkill.
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/#Corn%2520Cobb%2520Freewheel.jpg
To make a reasonably straight chain line with 22 gears, just stack up
two identical triple gear chain rings that cover 2 or 3 adjacent gears
on the freewheel. Shifting both front and rear derailleurs
simultaneously might require contortionist or a computer, but those
are easy enough to find. It might also be rather difficult to ride,
but that's easily forgiven by owner in trade for the cool looking
photo opportunities. Patents pending.

Soon everyone will be riding on 22 speed freewheels and cassettes.
This is really impractical in terms of wheel building.

I like the wide-range 12 speed cassettes but that's about the limit.

On my touring bike I paired a Garbaruk 12 cog 10-52 Cassette
https://www.garbaruk.com/12-speed-xd.html with an SRAM DD3 dual drive
hub https://lunacycle.com/sram-dd3-igh-3-speed-hub-with-shifter/ and
added a Mountain Tamer Quad 4th chainring
http://abundantadventures.com/quads.html#MOUNTAIN_TAMER_QUADTM_49.95,


This Mountain Tamer Quad thing (Mountain Tamer Triple actually) is a reproduction of the Avid Triadapter. Not sure Avid exists anymore. But this Triadapter had five bolt holes for 74mm BCD and replaced the separate spacers on triple cranksets. Back when triples had separate spacers that were not formed right into the arm, thus no spacer. Triadapter replaced the spacers.. And then the Triadapter had five holes at 58mm BCD to attach a tiny inner ring. On my touring bike I have the Avid Triadapter. Allows me to put on a 20 tooth inner ring. This Mountain Tamer device seems to have upped the complexity quite a bit for a somewhat simple item.





then added a Schlumpf Mountain Drive
http://www.schlumpfdrive.com/index.php/mountain-drive.html.

It's nice having a selection of 288 different gear combinations though
because of overlap it's really only 123 actual different gear ratios.

The range between the lowest gear and the highest gear is amazing. The
lowest gear is so low that even at a cadence of 240 rpm you're not going
fast enough to stay upright. The highest gear is so high that it's only
usable when going downhill on grades of 12% or more at speeds of 80 mph
or greater.

It's kind of a pain dealing with four separate gear shifters but there
are some after-market wireless electronic shifters that I may add and
control them with a smart phone app. Then I'll put the bike up for sale
on eBay and when no one is willing to pay what I spent on these
improvements I'll complain about it here.

I was disappointed to learn that there is no 14 speed Rohloff SPEEDHUB
that can accept a cassette so my dream of 1,344 gear combinations was
thwarted.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:16:05 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 8:52:49 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 6:17:58 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 05:46:31 +0700, John B.
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 14:54:10 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 4/16/2021 1:08 PM, Mark cleary wrote:
The local bike shop needs a mechanic they called me about doing some work for them. They knew I could build wheels and repair them and the manger of shop knows me. Well I go in to discuss things and they said most all the work they do is on disk brake bikes. That surprised me although they are a Trek Dealer.

It's amazing how fast disc brakes have taken over, even on road bikes.
Perhaps it's just an effort by manufacturers to get new customers to
avoid buying used rim brake bicycles. You've seen how one poster here is
incredulous that no one is buying his used rim brake Trek for the price
he wants, but the reality is that a use rim brake road bicycle is no
longer desirable by many buyers even though in most cases there's little
benefit to disc brakes on a road bike.

Well, It's NEW! and therefore MUST be better! Just like a 11 speed
bicycle must be better then a 10 speed bicycle :-)
Not good enough. Soon, the 22 speed corn cob will become the de facto
standard for excellence in cycling overkill.
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/#Corn%2520Cobb%2520Freewheel.jpg
To make a reasonably straight chain line with 22 gears, just stack up
two identical triple gear chain rings that cover 2 or 3 adjacent gears
on the freewheel. Shifting both front and rear derailleurs
simultaneously might require contortionist or a computer, but those
are easy enough to find. It might also be rather difficult to ride,
but that's easily forgiven by owner in trade for the cool looking
photo opportunities. Patents pending.

Soon everyone will be riding on 22 speed freewheels and cassettes.

I hate them and will burn them in a heap and then go get a real bike

-- Jay Beattie.

Now I am aware of them new fangled high tech bamboo bikes, but other than that, I don't think bicycles will be too flammable. Metal doesn't burn too well. Although I think I have seen some YouTube videos of some metal that does catch fire and burn really hot. But I don't think bikes are made out of that special metal. I'm guessing that special metal might also cost a whole lot. And $100k bikes won't sell too well.

Well Carbon Fiber composites do burn
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/fam.882

Inhalable carbon fibres have been suspected to pose similar threats to
human health as asbestos fibres. It is well-known that fibres having a
diameter of less than 3 µm might be inhaled and transported deep into
the human respiratory system. Some composite materials use carbon
fibres as structural reinforcement. These fibres do not pose any risks
as such as they are firmly connected to the laminate and surrounded by
a polymer matrix. Also, these fibres typically have diameters 6 µm
and thus, are not inhalable. However, if the material is exposed to a
fire, the carbon material might be oxidized and fractionated and
thereby, inhalable fibres might be generated into the fire smoke.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:16:05 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Now I am aware of them new fangled high tech bamboo bikes, but other than that, I don't think bicycles will be too flammable. Metal doesn't burn too well. Although I think I have seen some YouTube videos of some metal that does catch fire and burn really hot. But I don't think bikes are made out of that special metal. I'm guessing that special metal might also cost a whole lot. And $100k bikes won't sell too well.

Sounds like a magnesium bicycle frame:
https://www.google.com/search?q=magnesium+bicycle+frame&tbm=isch
Magnesium burns VERY well.

--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 17/04/2021 14:42, sms wrote:
On 4/16/2021 6:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

snip

Not good enough.Â* Soon, the 22 speed corn cob will become the de facto
standard for excellence in cycling overkill.
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/#Corn%2520Cobb%2520Freewheel.jpg

To make a reasonably straight chain line with 22 gears, just stack up
two identical triple gear chain rings that cover 2 or 3 adjacent gears
on the freewheel.Â* Shifting both front and rear derailleurs
simultaneously might require contortionist or a computer, but those
are easy enough to find.Â* It might also be rather difficult to ride,
but that's easily forgiven by owner in trade for the cool looking
photo opportunities.Â* Patents pending.

Soon everyone will be riding on 22 speed freewheels and cassettes.

This is really impractical in terms of wheel building.

I like the wide-range 12 speed cassettes but that's about the limit.

On my touring bike I paired a Garbaruk 12 cog 10-52 Cassette
https://www.garbaruk.com/12-speed-xd.html with an SRAM DD3 dual drive
hub https://lunacycle.com/sram-dd3-igh-3-speed-hub-with-shifter/ and
added a Mountain Tamer Quad 4th chainring
http://abundantadventures.com/quads.html#MOUNTAIN_TAMER_QUADTM_49.95,
then added a Schlumpf Mountain Drive
http://www.schlumpfdrive.com/index.php/mountain-drive.html.

It's nice having a selection of 288 different gear combinations though
because of overlap it's really only 123 actual different gear ratios.

The range between the lowest gear and the highest gear is amazing. The
lowest gear is so low that even at a cadence of 240 rpm you're not going
fast enough to stay upright. The highest gear is so high that it's only
usable when going downhill on grades of 12% or more at speeds of 80 mph
or greater.

Surely you can just add a motor to solve these problems?

It's kind of a pain dealing with four separate gear shifters but there
are some after-market wireless electronic shifters that I may add and
control them with a smart phone app. Then I'll put the bike up for sale
on eBay and when no one is willing to pay what I spent on these
improvements I'll complain about it here.

I was disappointed to learn that there is no 14 speed Rohloff SPEEDHUB
that can accept a cassette so my dream of 1,344 gear combinations was
thwarted.

On 17/04/2021 17:53, Ralph Barone wrote:

Don’t forget the chromed steel rims. Nobody appears to be lamenting the
demise of chromed steel rims.

In the ****ed up world of retro bikes I have seen a few at work with
chromed steel rims. Now those don't get ridden in the rain or I
wouldn't be seeing them!

Imho, the two biggest advancements to modern cycling, the alloy rim and
bike lights. Hand up who remembers cycling home in the dark on a rainy
night? NiCads suck.

I just *know* someone here will have used an acetylene carbide light :-(