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Race wheels for larger rider?
Hello all,
This message is intended for the larger riders on out there, but anyone is free to respond if they feel they have something worth adding to the discussion. Anyway, my older brother is doing his first crit soon and wants to invest in a pair of race only wheels. He is considering the Mavic Ksyrium SLs. However, as he is a "cyldesdale" (6'2" and a solid ~220lbs), he thought it might "behove" him (no pun intended) to look into other options, ie. something slightly stronger albiet slightly heavier. So what are his other options in this price range? Thanks, - Boyd S. |
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Race wheels for larger rider?
Boyd Speerschne wrote:
Hello all, This message is intended for the larger riders on out there, but anyone is free to respond if they feel they have something worth adding to the discussion. Anyway, my older brother is doing his first crit soon and wants to invest in a pair of race only wheels. He is considering the Mavic Ksyrium SLs. However, as he is a "cyldesdale" (6'2" and a solid ~220lbs), he thought it might "behove" him (no pun intended) to look into other options, ie. something slightly stronger albiet slightly heavier. So what are his other options in this price range? Thanks, - Boyd S. CXP-33 rims with 32 spokes front and 36 spokes rear, both built with D Competition 14/15 3X spokes would be my first choice. or same spokin pattern with Velocity Deep V would be my second choice. However, findin a quality builder that will work with his needs is where I suggest h spend his effort - |
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i'm 210 & regularly ride a pair of 16-spoke shimanos. no problems yet.
also, the tensile strength of one single spoke is ~ 3x the weight of your brother. i don't think there's anything to worry about for race wheels. Boyd Speerschneider wrote: Hello all, This message is intended for the larger riders on out there, but anyone is free to respond if they feel they have something worth adding to the discussion. Anyway, my older brother is doing his first crit soon and wants to invest in a pair of race only wheels. He is considering the Mavic Ksyrium SLs. However, as he is a "cyldesdale" (6'2" and a solid ~220lbs), he thought it might "behove" him (no pun intended) to look into other options, ie. something slightly stronger albiet slightly heavier. So what are his other options in this price range? Thanks, - Boyd S. |
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bspeersc- He is considering the Mavic Ksyrium SLs.
However, as he is a "cyldesdale" (6'2" and a solid ~220lbs), he thought it might "behove" him (no pun intended) to look into other options, ie. something slightly stronger albiet slightly heavier. So what are his other options in this price range? BRBR Just about hand built is way below the price range of ksyriums. How about a Record/Chorus/Centaur hubset if he's a Campagnolo kinda guy, 7700 or ultegra if shimano. Velocity Fusions, Aeroheads or Deep Vs, with appropriate spoke number for each rims(that is 4 more for a light rim, 4 less for the heavier ones, Revs on the front, etc). And in 3-4 years, after mavic stops supporting the ksyriums, he can re-use the hubs for say 10-15 years. Any of these will be in the $500 range. Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
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While I no longer race I still ride each day. For many years I rode
on 36 spoke rear wheels. I am 6'4 225 and in my race days I was only 190. Even at 190 32 spoke rear wheels were a disaster. Going to 36 spoke wheels helped but I still had to work on the wheels every 2 or 3 weeks. When I made the move to a new Campy 9 speed wheel with 36 spokes and mavic open pro rim, it went out on the first hard hit it took. This past winter I buit up a new bike. In talking with Lenard Zinn of Colorado (a very well known racer and bike builder who is a 6'6) he recomended going with the mavic ksyrium elite. After 1500 miles I have not touched them and they are as true as when I got them. I like many have read the endless posts about designer wheels. Many seem to say that they are a waste of money but, from my first experience with the ksyrium elite I am sold. I have never had any trouble with any kind of front wheel, only the rear which I am sure is due to the dish. I can't speak about the ksyrium SSC Sl, it is a lighter wheel. I don't think would I take the risk since they are about 900 bucks a pair until I could talk with a 225 pound rider to see what their recommendation is. Best of luck, Sundog On Wed, 26 May 2004 20:35:01 GMT, Boyd Speerschneider wrote: Hello all, This message is intended for the larger riders on out there, but anyone is free to respond if they feel they have something worth adding to the discussion. Anyway, my older brother is doing his first crit soon and wants to invest in a pair of race only wheels. He is considering the Mavic Ksyrium SLs. However, as he is a "cyldesdale" (6'2" and a solid ~220lbs), he thought it might "behove" him (no pun intended) to look into other options, ie. something slightly stronger albiet slightly heavier. So what are his other options in this price range? Thanks, - Boyd S. |
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"sundog" wrote in message ... While I no longer race I still ride each day. For many years I rode on 36 spoke rear wheels. I am 6'4 225 and in my race days I was only 190. Even at 190 32 spoke rear wheels were a disaster. Going to 36 spoke wheels helped but I still had to work on the wheels every 2 or 3 weeks. When I made the move to a new Campy 9 speed wheel with 36 spokes and mavic open pro rim, it went out on the first hard hit it took. This past winter I buit up a new bike. In talking with Lenard Zinn of Colorado (a very well known racer and bike builder who is a 6'6) he recomended going with the mavic ksyrium elite. After 1500 miles I have not touched them and they are as true as when I got them. I like many have read the endless posts about designer wheels. Many seem to say that they are a waste of money but, from my first experience with the ksyrium elite I am sold. I have never had any trouble with any kind of front wheel, only the rear which I am sure is due to the dish. I can't speak about the ksyrium SSC Sl, it is a lighter wheel. I don't think would I take the risk since they are about 900 bucks a pair until I could talk with a 225 pound rider to see what their recommendation is. Best of luck, Sundog I am glad that some else has had the same results that I have had. I posted a similar questions a while back. The response was a LOUD get a good wheel builder to make you a quality 36 spoke rear wheel...and to stay away from "wheels in a box." I had three hand built wheels. They lasted 316 miles, 412 miles, and 453 miles. I will be glad to give the three names of the LBS that built the wheels if you contact me directly. A few months ago I switched to a Ksyrium Elite rear wheel, at the recommendation of one of the LBS's, and have over 1,500 miles without any problems. So for me, "wheels in a box" have been a wonderful solution. |
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"RWM" writes:
"sundog" wrote in message ... While I no longer race I still ride each day. For many years I rode on 36 spoke rear wheels. I am 6'4 225 and in my race days I was only 190. Even at 190 32 spoke rear wheels were a disaster. Going to 36 spoke wheels helped but I still had to work on the wheels every 2 or 3 weeks. When I made the move to a new Campy 9 speed wheel with 36 spokes and mavic open pro rim, it went out on the first hard hit it took. Huh. I am about your size, racing weight without much fat was about 195 and currently am about 215, with more fat than I want. As I get older, it doesn't come off as easily as it did! I raced on 32 spoke wheels for 10 years and rarely if ever had trouble with them being unreliable- as in going out of true from just riding or from hitting bumps. Never had much trouble with spoke breakage except in one wheel built with Asahi spokes. Basically, I have to think that your wheels have had some problems with build quality. 36 hole Campy 9 speed with an Open Pro rim ought to be strong and durable, at least until it cracks (see the many threads on anodized rims. This ought to start another one now). Either your spokes have a lot of residual twist in them from tensioning or they are quite undertensioned overall, is my hunch. This past winter I buit up a new bike. In talking with Lenard Zinn of Colorado (a very well known racer and bike builder who is a 6'6) he recomended going with the mavic ksyrium elite. After 1500 miles I have not touched them and they are as true as when I got them. I like many have read the endless posts about designer wheels. Many seem to say that they are a waste of money but, from my first experience with the ksyrium elite I am sold. I have never had any trouble with any kind of front wheel, only the rear which I am sure is due to the dish. Dish is a contributor as it makes for a weaker wheel, and unfortunately it is also the wheel that carries more than half of the load (somewhere around 55-60% in most cases). However, many heavy riders have used highly dished wheels with good results provided the wheels are properly built: evenly tensioned, highly tensioned, stress relieved and built with proper spoke wrench use so that the spokes are not twisted. I am glad that some else has had the same results that I have had. I posted a similar questions a while back. The response was a LOUD get a good wheel builder to make you a quality 36 spoke rear wheel...and to stay away from "wheels in a box." I had three hand built wheels. They lasted 316 miles, 412 miles, and 453 miles. I will be glad to give the three names of the LBS that built the wheels if you contact me directly. Hmm, people who live in your area should be warned about the inept wheel building this LBS is providing. Good grief, barring accidents or unusual braking wear on the sidewalls, a rear wheel ought to last at least 10,000 miles and more like 50,000 miles before anything needs to be replaced (except maybe bearings). I hope you got your money back! Shucks, my 32 spoke Campy 9sp with MA2s have been in service for at least 10,000 miles and are showing no problems at all. |
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message ... "RWM" writes: SNIP "sundog" wrote in message ... I am glad that some else has had the same results that I have had. I posted a similar questions a while back. The response was a LOUD get a good wheel builder to make you a quality 36 spoke rear wheel...and to stay away from "wheels in a box." I had three hand built wheels. They lasted 316 miles, 412 miles, and 453 miles. I will be glad to give the three names of the LBS that built the wheels if you contact me directly. Hmm, people who live in your area should be warned about the inept wheel building this LBS is providing. Good grief, barring accidents or unusual braking wear on the sidewalls, a rear wheel ought to last at least 10,000 miles and more like 50,000 miles before anything needs to be replaced (except maybe bearings). I hope you got your money back! Shucks, my 32 spoke Campy 9sp with MA2s have been in service for at least 10,000 miles and are showing no problems at all. I had the three wheels built at three different places. One in Portsmouth NH, one in Bellevue WA and the last in Redmond WA. All had 14g double butted spokes. All had Ultegra 36 hole hubs. One Open pro rim, one CPX33 rim, and one MA rim. |
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In article , "RWM"
wrote: snip I had the three wheels built at three different places. One in Portsmouth NH, one in Bellevue WA and the last in Redmond WA. All had 14g double butted spokes. All had Ultegra 36 hole hubs. One Open pro rim, one CPX33 rim, and one MA rim. I donıt know about the wheels built in New Hampshire, but the ones built in Washington are obviously built by Microsoft and are subject to frequent crashes and failures...... HAND Ride Safe Look out for that truck! What truck? -- ³Freedom Is a Light for Which Many Have Died in Darkness³ - Tomb of the unknown - American Revolution |
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tim- Hmm, people who live in your area should be warned about the inept
wheel building this LBS is providing. BRBR Even in Boulder, I can name only 5 good wheelbuilders, and three of them are at Vecchio's. Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
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