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Why no store-bought, boxed wheelsets?
Bob in CT wrote:
I bought a LeMond that has a wheelset that's too light. The rear wheel flexes so much that it'll rub the brake pads. So, I bought this rear wheel: http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...eid=&pagename= Here's what Nashbar says about them: Extra strong with 32 14ga spokes laced 3X to a Ritchey Comp Rear hub, this wheel is great for big guys, centuries, and cyclocross. Comp hub features alloy shell with steel axle, serviceable steel ball bearings and extra thick external seals to keep the gunk out and the grease in. Ritchey Aero OCR Rim features a special offset cross section that reduces wheel dish and increases strength plus has a ‘just right’ depth: deep enough to add strength, yet still able to use standard length presta valve stems. Includes skewer and rim strip. Shimano 8/9 speed compatible freehub body. One year warranty through Ritchey against defects in materials and workmanship. I also purchased the matching front wheel. So, why not buy a boxed wheelset? Why should I have, instead, purchased a wheelset from someone near me (assuming I could find someone who actually built wheels)? if you mean quality pre-built wheels like mavic [or whatever], they're great, no problems with out of the box at all. i'm testing mavic cosmos and shimano r540's right now. both are fine and coping with my 200# load perfectly. some of the other wheels like cheapo nashbar "assembled from components you can buy seperately" wheels may be in urgent need of re-truing when they first arrive, but they're totally great value for money. |
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Why no store-bought, boxed wheelsets?
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:51:03 -0400, "Bob in CT"
wrote: So, why not buy a boxed wheelset? Why should I have, instead, purchased a wheelset from someone near me (assuming I could find someone who actually built wheels)? There is little reason not to buy boxed wheels. If you buy them from a decent Local shop, they'll even check the build when they open the box. Many shops no longer build wheels and even custom wheels are built elsewhere and sent to them in a box. Unfortunately, many boxed wheels have good components that are built poorly. Uneven, undertensioned spokes are the most common flaws. The dish is frequently not perfect and hub cones are too snug. The design is for what sells and not what is best for the rider and riding conditions. I've noticed more organized tours specifying that riders have conventional wheels on the ride. I like to own and ride equipment that is as good as possible. Functionally good isn't enough for me. My car maybe, but not my bikes. |
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Why no store-bought, boxed wheelsets?
Paul Kopit wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:51:03 -0400, "Bob in CT" wrote: So, why not buy a boxed wheelset? Why should I have, instead, purchased a wheelset from someone near me (assuming I could find someone who actually built wheels)? There is little reason not to buy boxed wheels. If you buy them from a decent Local shop, they'll even check the build when they open the box. Many shops no longer build wheels and even custom wheels are built elsewhere and sent to them in a box. it's essential to by from a shop that knows what they're doing. when i got my shimano r540's the bike dude insisted on "truing" them for me. he rounded off one nipple and they were laterally true, but completely un-round. i refused them and insisted on another unopened box. /those/ wheels have been great & i haven't had to touch them. similarly, my mavic cosmos's have been great - untouched out of the box - untouched by incompetents. Unfortunately, many boxed wheels have good components that are built poorly. Uneven, undertensioned spokes are the most common flaws. The dish is frequently not perfect and hub cones are too snug. The design is for what sells and not what is best for the rider and riding conditions. I've noticed more organized tours specifying that riders have conventional wheels on the ride. I like to own and ride equipment that is as good as possible. Functionally good isn't enough for me. My car maybe, but not my bikes. |
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Why no store-bought, boxed wheelsets?
"Art Harris" wrote in message oups.com... Bob in CT wrote: So, why not buy a boxed wheelset? These wheels may be fine. It appears the spokes are straight 14 gauge (not butted) and the spoke brand isn't specified. I suspect these are machine built wheels. As a minimum, you should probably check spoke tension and stress relieve. Art Harris Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is meant by "machine-built" wheels? Do you actually have automated equipment that can build wheels? I was always under the impression that all wheel-building requires "human intervention"! Thanks Basjan |
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Why no store-bought, boxed wheelsets?
Bob in CT wrote: I bought a LeMond that has a wheelset that's too light. The rear wheel flexes so much that it'll rub the brake pads. So, I bought this rear wheel: http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...eid=&pagename= Here's what Nashbar says about them: Extra strong with 32 14ga spokes laced 3X to a Ritchey Comp Rear hub, this wheel is great for big guys, centuries, and cyclocross. I also purchased the matching front wheel. So, why not buy a boxed wheelset? Why should I have, instead, purchased a wheelset from someone near me (assuming I could find someone who actually built wheels)? -- Bob in CT Most wheels out of a box have the potential to be a great set of wheels. They are mainly bult by people that may not be good wheelbuilders and may not be designed for you, specifically. BUT a good local wheelbuilder can design a wheelset specifically for you and your needs, and ensure it is well built. The wheels you purchased arer OK but 14g and 32 would not ne my first choice for w durable wheelset, along with the rear hub which is somewhat problematic. I think a 36h, shimano or Campag hubset, laced to an appropriate rim for you and your needs is what would be best. You can get a pretty nice suit from jc penney's as well, but if you want it to fit really well, you either go to a tailor or buy the Penney's one and have it altered by a Tailor. |
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Why no store-bought, boxed wheelsets?
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message oups.com... Most wheels out of a box have the potential to be a great set of wheels. They are mainly bult by people that may not be good wheelbuilders and may not be designed for you, specifically. BUT a good local wheelbuilder can design a wheelset specifically for you and your needs, and ensure it is well built. The wheels you purchased arer OK but 14g and 32 would not ne my first choice for w durable wheelset, along with the rear hub which is somewhat problematic. I think a 36h, shimano or Campag hubset, laced to an appropriate rim for you and your needs is what would be best. You can get a pretty nice suit from jc penney's as well, but if you want it to fit really well, you either go to a tailor or buy the Penney's one and have it altered by a Tailor. I recently purchased a brand new store-bought boxed wheelset from Bensbikes, with the Wheelsmith label, Mavic Open Pro 700 silver rims using Wheelsmith DB14 spokes 2.0/1.8mm with brass nipples on Shimano Ultegra 6500 9sp hubs for $200.oo. They were smooth, trued and stress relieved right out of the box. I installed the Ultegra 9sp cassette, made no derailleur adjustments and had no problems or even a hint of out of true. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=7158760 928I was going to build my own, but when I saw this I thought I try them out.It would damn near cost me that in materials alone.FWIW-tom |
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Why no store-bought, boxed wheelsets?
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:06:00 -0700, Tom Nakashima
wrote: "Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message oups.com... Most wheels out of a box have the potential to be a great set of wheels. They are mainly bult by people that may not be good wheelbuilders and may not be designed for you, specifically. BUT a good local wheelbuilder can design a wheelset specifically for you and your needs, and ensure it is well built. The wheels you purchased arer OK but 14g and 32 would not ne my first choice for w durable wheelset, along with the rear hub which is somewhat problematic. I think a 36h, shimano or Campag hubset, laced to an appropriate rim for you and your needs is what would be best. You can get a pretty nice suit from jc penney's as well, but if you want it to fit really well, you either go to a tailor or buy the Penney's one and have it altered by a Tailor. I recently purchased a brand new store-bought boxed wheelset from Bensbikes, with the Wheelsmith label, Mavic Open Pro 700 silver rims using Wheelsmith DB14 spokes 2.0/1.8mm with brass nipples on Shimano Ultegra 6500 9sp hubs for $200.oo. They were smooth, trued and stress relieved right out of the box. I installed the Ultegra 9sp cassette, made no derailleur adjustments and had no problems or even a hint of out of true. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=7158760 928I was going to build my own, but when I saw this I thought I try them out.It would damn near cost me that in materials alone.FWIW-tom Well, I'm going to see about the durability of these wheels (I can always put my old wheels back on). If they suck, I'll chalk one up to experience, and I'll have to find a local wheel builder. -- Bob in CT |
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Why no store-bought, boxed wheelsets?
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:06:00 -0700, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote: I recently purchased a brand new store-bought boxed wheelset from Bensbikes, with the Wheelsmith label, Mavic Open Pro 700 silver rims using Wheelsmith DB14 spokes 2.0/1.8mm with brass nipples on Shimano Ultegra 6500 9sp hubs for $200.oo. They were smooth, trued and stress relieved right out of the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ box. I installed the Ultegra 9sp cassette, made no derailleur adjustments and had no problems or even a hint of out of true. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=7158760 928I was going to build my own, but when I saw this I thought I try them out.It would damn near cost me that in materials alone.FWIW-tom Dear Tom, I expect that they're nice wheels from Wheelsmith and hope that you enjoy them. But I noticed that the eBay auction doesn't mention "stress-relief" and neither does the Benscycle site (it doesn't even mention wheels as such): http://benscycle.com/site/intro.cfm Did you call or email Benscycle and ask them about stress relief? I also looked at the Wheelsmith site: http://www.wheelsmith.com/index.html They don't mention stress relief, either, but perhaps you checked with Wheelsmith by phone or email? I'm just curious. The interesting thing is that there's no way to tell if a wheel's spokes have been squeezed together or otherwise stretched, much less how hard. Carl Fogel |
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Why no store-bought, boxed wheelsets?
wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:06:00 -0700, "Tom Nakashima" wrote: I recently purchased a brand new store-bought boxed wheelset from Bensbikes, with the Wheelsmith label, Mavic Open Pro 700 silver rims using Wheelsmith DB14 spokes 2.0/1.8mm with brass nipples on Shimano Ultegra 6500 9sp hubs for $200.oo. They were smooth, trued and stress relieved right out of the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ box. I installed the Ultegra 9sp cassette, made no derailleur adjustments and had no problems or even a hint of out of true. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=7158760 928I was going to build my own, but when I saw this I thought I try them out.It would damn near cost me that in materials alone.FWIW-tom Dear Tom, I expect that they're nice wheels from Wheelsmith and hope that you enjoy them. But I noticed that the eBay auction doesn't mention "stress-relief" and neither does the Benscycle site (it doesn't even mention wheels as such): http://benscycle.com/site/intro.cfm Did you call or email Benscycle and ask them about stress relief? I also looked at the Wheelsmith site: http://www.wheelsmith.com/index.html They don't mention stress relief, either, but perhaps you checked with Wheelsmith by phone or email? I'm just curious. The interesting thing is that there's no way to tell if a wheel's spokes have been squeezed together or otherwise stretched, much less how hard. Carl Fogel Carl, I figured they have been stressed relief as I gave the wheels a check before I rode on them by flexing using the pushing down method on the wheels with my weight and hands. I heard no popping or pinging sound, so I assumed they were stressed relief. If I did hear that pinging, I would have put them in my truing stand and check for runout. I've been riding on them just about everyday since receiving the wheels in early June. They are still true and as smooth as silk, I had to do nothing to them so far. I was going to check the grease in the hubs, but I can see grease still every so slightly oozing out. I guess there will always be doubters in this newsgroup who will try to find flaws with the wheels I purchased from Benscycle, but I'll to say I'm very pleased with the performance and what I paid for them, and that's what counts. Bencycles also sells the Dura Ace wheelset, with the Open Pro's in black,but they're $100.oo more. I'm more of a rider and like the Ultegra, not interested in paying anymore than I have too. The only thing I have that is Dura Ace is the downtube shifters and I'm using them with the Ultegra rear derailleur. Never missed a shift in 7 years. -tom |
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