A Cycling & bikes forum. CycleBanter.com

Go Back   Home » CycleBanter.com forum » rec.bicycles » Social Issues
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old June 11th 16, 07:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 531
Default Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise

"John B." wrote in message
...

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:48:47 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:



"John B." wrote in message
.. .

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:27:39 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
bikers are such scofflaws.


Ed, what trenches are you referring to? The ones that you dig yourself
and then post as Proof"?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

I will say that you do have a well developed gasp on fantasy, but
that alter the fact that in reality you are still the little greedy
fellow defending his toy box from all comers. "No! NO! Get out of
here! You can't play with my toys"

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!


But you, not being me, prefer curses and foul language. Yes Sir. A
true gentleman.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

But then, tiny little boys valiantly defending their "turf", i.e., the
toy box, have been known to use bad language and in the old days got
their mouth washed out with soap and water to teach them not to talk
that way.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

Apparently there was a shortage of soap at your house?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

Ads
  #12  
Old June 11th 16, 07:21 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 531
Default Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise

"John B." wrote in message
news
On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:00:48 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
[...]

After carefully trying to observe the "damage" that bikes cause I noted
that the bikes cause the damage of smoothing out the rain ruts on soft
ground and making no damage on hard ground except where kids on bike
tried to jump logs laying across the trail from rain or wind fallen
trees. It sure is terrible that a fallen tree can have chunks carved out
of it by sprokets.


I am not overly concerned about the damage that bikes do to trails. I
suspect most damage is done to trails when bikes are ridden on wet
surfaces. Mike Vandeman is the expert on that. I am concerned about the
damage that mountain bikes do to the psyche of hikers.


Oh, a bloke who was convicted of, what was it, assault with a weapon?
is your hero?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

Who will you deify next? An axe murdered?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

So what you are really complaining about is that you don't want anyone
else using "your" trails.


This borders on a John B.ull**** response. Be careful I don’t treat you
like I do him. The reasons why I don’t want bikes on trails is all here on
this newsgroup. I am not going to go over and over old material for your
benefit. Either get up to speed or get lost.


Nope, don't bother to go over it. Keep it a secret clutched to your
bosom.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

After all if you were to actually divulge your secrets we'd all
discover that you have no reasons at all. Except "NO, NO, I won't have
it, I forbid you?". Sort of "you can't play with MY toys".

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

  #13  
Old June 11th 16, 07:24 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 531
Default Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise

"John B." wrote in message
...

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:15:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 6:27:34 AM UTC-7, Edward Dolan wrote:
Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
bikers are such scofflaws.



It was good to read your point of view and I get


that perception is a big deal. However, the


activist mountain bikers don’t seem to share


your point of view. I’ve observed a total


disregard for the laws by these activists and


yet they are not seen as “freaks” as you


identified yourself. I also agree that walking


in wilderness should not be banned and that the


“damage” hikers do is not nearly as horrible as


biking does. I never considered mountain biking


(I’ve always been a street/paved path


bicyclist). Because of Mike’s activities and


his sharing on the damage of this activity to


our wilderness and the bicyclists has made me an anti-mountain biking

activist.



I think that if we could get enough volunteers


around the world to adopt a trail or two that


does not allow mountain biking; we can help the


park rangers with enforcement. I began that


process by hiking a trail in Oakland’s


wilderness and discovered the website was not


current in its information. So I helped by


communicating with East Bay Parks and they fixed


it. Now I’m adopting a new trail which I will


begin next week (weather permitting).




I don’t think this is radical – I think it’s a


good way to begin the process of educating


everyone to the radical mountain bikers who


don’t care about wilderness in the same way most folks do.




My Process:


· Walk the trail at

least one time per week

· Bring a whistle (and

light if necessary)

· Wear nice bright

clothes so you are

not invisible ( a safety vest is good)


· Bring a cell phone

(or satellite if you have one)

· Enjoy nature while

paying attention

· If you run across

illegal trails or

mountain bikers, be polite but ask them to get


off of their bikes and walk to the nearest legal trail (have one in

mind).



Or back the way they came, which they don't like.




If they are hostile, use your whistle and cell phone and


· Then report any

incidents (minor or major) to the park rangers.



Good idea! A digital camera is also useful.


Photographing them sends them a message, and

inhibits their law-breaking, and the photos may be

useful for law enforcement. I think that a

digital camera usually takes clearer photos than a cell phone.



Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.



Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?



Ed Dolan the Great – Minnesota





After carefully trying to observe the "damage" that bikes cause I noted
that the bikes cause the damage of smoothing out the rain ruts on soft
ground and making no damage on hard ground except where kids on bike tried
to jump logs laying across the trail from rain or wind fallen trees. It
sure is terrible that a fallen tree can have chunks carved out of it by
sprokets.

So what you are really complaining about is that you don't want anyone else
using "your" trails.


Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

I have the impression that it is more a matter of control, rather than
a logical decision. From all he writes, bicycles belong on the
highway, not in the woods, and he is not going to allow you to defile
"his" forests.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

And the fact that the Federal Government built most of what he is so
defensive of makes no difference at all.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!


  #14  
Old June 11th 16, 07:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
news16
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 27
Default Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 00:07:13 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

"news16" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:27:39 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
bikers are such scofflaws.


Let me guess, scofflaw was word of the month in Reader's Digest.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that
is exactly what I would have said too!


Thank you. Status as depressed desperately seeking attention confirmed.
Happy riding

  #15  
Old June 11th 16, 07:34 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 531
Default Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise

"news16" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 00:07:13 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

"news16" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:27:39 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
bikers are such scofflaws.


Let me guess, scofflaw was word of the month in Reader's Digest.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that
is exactly what I would have said too!


Thank you. Status as depressed desperately seeking attention confirmed.
Happy riding

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

  #16  
Old June 11th 16, 09:06 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
John B.[_6_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,202
Default Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 01:21:09 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
news
On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:00:48 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
[...]

After carefully trying to observe the "damage" that bikes cause I noted
that the bikes cause the damage of smoothing out the rain ruts on soft
ground and making no damage on hard ground except where kids on bike
tried to jump logs laying across the trail from rain or wind fallen
trees. It sure is terrible that a fallen tree can have chunks carved out
of it by sprokets.


I am not overly concerned about the damage that bikes do to trails. I
suspect most damage is done to trails when bikes are ridden on wet
surfaces. Mike Vandeman is the expert on that. I am concerned about the
damage that mountain bikes do to the psyche of hikers.


Oh, a bloke who was convicted of, what was it, assault with a weapon?
is your hero?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

Who will you deify next? An axe murdered?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

So what you are really complaining about is that you don't want anyone
else using "your" trails.


This borders on a John B.ull**** response. Be careful I dont treat you
like I do him. The reasons why I dont want bikes on trails is all here on
this newsgroup. I am not going to go over and over old material for your
benefit. Either get up to speed or get lost.


Nope, don't bother to go over it. Keep it a secret clutched to your
bosom.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

After all if you were to actually divulge your secrets we'd all
discover that you have no reasons at all. Except "NO, NO, I won't have
it, I forbid you?". Sort of "you can't play with MY toys".

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!



An enlightening response.

It appears that, rather than a learned and thoughtful response setting
forth the reasons that bicycles must be banned from public property we
find that Dolan the Great has no considered response. In fact it
appears that he has no response at all except for curses and foul
language.

It sounds very like the little boy who shouts, "You can't play with my
toys" and asked "why", has no answer, except "They are mine and you
can't play with them".

In short, Dolan the Great really isn't.

"Dirty mouth Dolan" perhaps, or "Dolan the Foul" but certainly not
"Dolan the Great"..... unless "Dolan the Great Fool".

But certainly not Dolan the intelligent or Dolan the logical or Dolan
the well informed.

In short, just another loud mouth fool repeats the same "can't walk"
catechism over and over, apparently lacking the intelligence to make a
reasoned response.

--
cheers,

John B.

  #17  
Old June 11th 16, 09:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
John B.[_6_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,202
Default Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 01:19:10 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
.. .

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:48:47 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:



"John B." wrote in message
. ..

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:27:39 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
bikers are such scofflaws.


Ed, what trenches are you referring to? The ones that you dig yourself
and then post as Proof"?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

I will say that you do have a well developed gasp on fantasy, but
that alter the fact that in reality you are still the little greedy
fellow defending his toy box from all comers. "No! NO! Get out of
here! You can't play with my toys"

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!


But you, not being me, prefer curses and foul language. Yes Sir. A
true gentleman.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

But then, tiny little boys valiantly defending their "turf", i.e., the
toy box, have been known to use bad language and in the old days got
their mouth washed out with soap and water to teach them not to talk
that way.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

Apparently there was a shortage of soap at your house?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!


By gorry Doodles but you are banging away on all cylinders... although
displaying a singularly limited conversational ability.

No imagination I suppose.

But, I notice that you are no longer "Dolan the Great". Come down a
notch or two on the old totem pole have you? what are you now? "Dolan
the Clown"?
--
cheers,

John B.

  #18  
Old June 11th 16, 11:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 531
Default Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise

"John B." wrote in message
...

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 01:19:10 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
.. .

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:48:47 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:



"John B." wrote in message
. ..

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:27:39 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
bikers are such scofflaws.


Ed, what trenches are you referring to? The ones that you dig yourself
and then post as Proof"?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that
is
exactly what I would have said too!

I will say that you do have a well developed gasp on fantasy, but
that alter the fact that in reality you are still the little greedy
fellow defending his toy box from all comers. "No! NO! Get out of
here! You can't play with my toys"

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that
is
exactly what I would have said too!


But you, not being me, prefer curses and foul language. Yes Sir. A
true gentleman.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

But then, tiny little boys valiantly defending their "turf", i.e., the
toy box, have been known to use bad language and in the old days got
their mouth washed out with soap and water to teach them not to talk
that way.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

Apparently there was a shortage of soap at your house?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!


By gorry Doodles but you are banging away on all cylinders... although
displaying a singularly limited conversational ability.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

No imagination I suppose.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

But, I notice that you are no longer "Dolan the Great". Come down a
notch or two on the old totem pole have you? what are you now? "Dolan
the Clown"?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

  #19  
Old June 11th 16, 11:09 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 531
Default Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise

"John B." wrote in message
...

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 01:21:09 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
news
On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:00:48 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
[...]

After carefully trying to observe the "damage" that bikes cause I noted
that the bikes cause the damage of smoothing out the rain ruts on soft
ground and making no damage on hard ground except where kids on bike
tried to jump logs laying across the trail from rain or wind fallen
trees. It sure is terrible that a fallen tree can have chunks carved out
of it by sprokets.


I am not overly concerned about the damage that bikes do to trails. I
suspect most damage is done to trails when bikes are ridden on wet
surfaces. Mike Vandeman is the expert on that. I am concerned about the
damage that mountain bikes do to the psyche of hikers.


Oh, a bloke who was convicted of, what was it, assault with a weapon?
is your hero?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

Who will you deify next? An axe murdered?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

So what you are really complaining about is that you don't want anyone
else using "your" trails.


This borders on a John B.ull**** response. Be careful I don’t treat you
like I do him. The reasons why I don’t want bikes on trails is all here on
this newsgroup. I am not going to go over and over old material for your
benefit. Either get up to speed or get lost.


Nope, don't bother to go over it. Keep it a secret clutched to your
bosom.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

After all if you were to actually divulge your secrets we'd all
discover that you have no reasons at all. Except "NO, NO, I won't have
it, I forbid you?". Sort of "you can't play with MY toys".

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!


An enlightening response.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

It appears that, rather than a learned and thoughtful response setting
forth the reasons that bicycles must be banned from public property we
find that Dolan the Great has no considered response. In fact it
appears that he has no response at all except for curses and foul
language.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

It sounds very like the little boy who shouts, "You can't play with my
toys" and asked "why", has no answer, except "They are mine and you
can't play with them".

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

In short, Dolan the Great really isn't.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

"Dirty mouth Dolan" perhaps, or "Dolan the Foul" but certainly not
"Dolan the Great"..... unless "Dolan the Great Fool".

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

But certainly not Dolan the intelligent or Dolan the logical or Dolan
the well informed.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

In short, just another loud mouth fool repeats the same "can't walk"
catechism over and over, apparently lacking the intelligence to make a
reasoned response.

Unlike you, I can identify content . Post content if you want discussion.
Otherwise, all you get is:


Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

  #20  
Old June 11th 16, 11:20 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
John B.[_6_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,202
Default Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 05:02:14 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
.. .

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 01:19:10 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

"John B." wrote in message
. ..

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:48:47 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:



"John B." wrote in message
...

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:27:39 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
bikers are such scofflaws.


Ed, what trenches are you referring to? The ones that you dig yourself
and then post as Proof"?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that
is
exactly what I would have said too!

I will say that you do have a well developed gasp on fantasy, but
that alter the fact that in reality you are still the little greedy
fellow defending his toy box from all comers. "No! NO! Get out of
here! You can't play with my toys"

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that
is
exactly what I would have said too!


But you, not being me, prefer curses and foul language. Yes Sir. A
true gentleman.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

But then, tiny little boys valiantly defending their "turf", i.e., the
toy box, have been known to use bad language and in the old days got
their mouth washed out with soap and water to teach them not to talk
that way.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

Apparently there was a shortage of soap at your house?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!


By gorry Doodles but you are banging away on all cylinders... although
displaying a singularly limited conversational ability.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

No imagination I suppose.

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!

But, I notice that you are no longer "Dolan the Great". Come down a
notch or two on the old totem pole have you? what are you now? "Dolan
the Clown"?

Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!


But Dooley, you are doing just what we want you. You have given up
with the "I hate Bicycles" refrain and are now exhibiting your true
colors. Cyclists - 1, Dolan - 0
--
cheers,

John B.

 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mountain Bikers Prefer to Attack Me, Rather than Discuss the Harm that Mountain Biking Does! Mike Vandeman Mountain Biking 84 August 3rd 08 09:50 PM
Mountain Bikers Rat Pack & Threaten Woman for Telling the Truth about Mountain Biking! Mike Vandeman Mountain Biking 2 April 2nd 08 05:12 PM
Mountain Bikers Rat Pack & Threaten Woman for Telling the Truth about Mountain Biking! Mike Vandeman Social Issues 2 April 2nd 08 05:12 PM
Lift Serviced Mountain Biking at Snow's Mountain at Waterville Valley, NH Steve Off Road 0 July 12th 05 10:29 PM
Mountain Biking Video -- See What Mountain Biking Is Really Like! Peter Mountain Biking 0 March 25th 05 10:56 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2004-2017 CycleBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.