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"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message
... If you were even a half decent engineer, you'd figure out that it's fast and easy to pinpoint a set of bearings that will outlast the rest of the wheelset, buy them with a few clicks of the mouse and install them. I do find it comical that you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about but don't have a problem demonstrating it to everyone else. Doers do. Complainers complain. And those who know nothing always seem to be able to tell others what to do. |
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On Dec 6, 12:48*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message ... If you were even a half decent engineer, you'd figure out that it's fast and easy to pinpoint a set of bearings that will outlast the rest of the wheelset, buy them with a few clicks of the mouse and install them. I do find it comical that you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about but don't have a problem demonstrating it to everyone else. Dumbass - If only you knew. If you're ever in San Diego, I'll show you around the shop. It's likely, deduced from the content of your posts, that you don't know how most of the **** works. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote: On Dec 6, 12:48*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: "Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message ... If you were even a half decent engineer, you'd figure out that it's fast and easy to pinpoint a set of bearings that will outlast the rest of the wheelset, buy them with a few clicks of the mouse and install them. I do find it comical that you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about but don't have a problem demonstrating it to everyone else. If only you knew. If you're ever in San Diego, I'll show you around the shop. It's likely, deduced from the content of your posts, that you don't know how most of the **** works. How bizarre was that? You post a simple solution to the "problem" he was whinging about and he says *you* don't have a clue? Tom's connection to reality when it comes to things like this is tenuous, at best. Like the time he insisted that Look makes the molds for their cleats on manual mills in North Africa and that I didn't "have a clue" about how molds are made. I think you know a bit about what my knowledge level is in machining. -- tanx, Howard Caught playing safe It's a bored game remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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Howard Kveck wrote:
In article , Kurgan Gringioni wrote: On Dec 6, 12:48 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: "Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message ... If you were even a half decent engineer, you'd figure out that it's fast and easy to pinpoint a set of bearings that will outlast the rest of the wheelset, buy them with a few clicks of the mouse and install them. I do find it comical that you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about but don't have a problem demonstrating it to everyone else. If only you knew. If you're ever in San Diego, I'll show you around the shop. It's likely, deduced from the content of your posts, that you don't know how most of the **** works. How bizarre was that? You post a simple solution to the "problem" he was whinging about and he says *you* don't have a clue? Tom's connection to reality when it comes to things like this is tenuous, at best. Like the time he insisted that Look makes the molds for their cleats on manual mills in North Africa and that I didn't "have a clue" about how molds are made. I think you know a bit about what my knowledge level is in machining. I didn't see where bad bearings fit into the original premise of stupid light racing equipment anyway. And the fork failures described both involved crashes where operator error was the root cause and a crash would have occurred whether the fork failed or not. Bret |
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Bret Wade wrote:
I didn't see where bad bearings fit into the original premise of stupid light racing equipment anyway. And the fork failures described both involved crashes where operator error was the root cause and a crash would have occurred whether the fork failed or not. Fork failure ? Perhaps it was allegorical. |
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"Bret Wade" wrote in message
m... I didn't see where bad bearings fit into the original premise of stupid light racing equipment anyway. Did you possibly see where undersized bearings did? By the way, those same size bearings are used in many wheels. And the fork failures described both involved crashes where operator error was the root cause and a crash would have occurred whether the fork failed or not. Bret, when a fork leg breaks off you go face first into the street. If it bends you generally are thrown off sideways. By all means tell me which you would prefer. As for operator error - do you actually believe that you aren't going to make the occasional error and if the equipment is designed properly it will keep that error from becoming serious? |
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Bret, when a fork leg breaks off you go face first into the street. If it bends you generally are thrown off sideways. By all means tell me which you would prefer. dumbass, i've never seen a steel fork "bend" while riding, that just doesn't happen. ive seen a steel fork break at the steerer while the rider was just riding along. i've also seen a carbon cross fork fail this way. |
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Amit Ghosh wrote:
Bret, when a fork leg breaks off you go face first into the street. If it bends you generally are thrown off sideways. By all means tell me which you would prefer. dumbass, i've never seen a steel fork "bend" while riding, that just doesn't happen. ive seen a steel fork break at the steerer while the rider was just riding along. i've also seen a carbon cross fork fail this way. I had a steel fork leg break at the joint with the crown. The brake started rubbing so I stopped to adjust it. As soon as it was unweighted the fork leg rotated to the ground. Bob Schwartz |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
"Bret Wade" wrote in message m... I didn't see where bad bearings fit into the original premise of stupid light racing equipment anyway. Did you possibly see where undersized bearings did? By the way, those same size bearings are used in many wheels. Your problem sounds like the bearings were just out of adjustment anyway since you describe play as the main symptom. I can't see cartridge bearings developing much play without coming out of adjustment. And the fork failures described both involved crashes where operator error was the root cause and a crash would have occurred whether the fork failed or not. Bret, when a fork leg breaks off you go face first into the street. If it bends you generally are thrown off sideways. By all means tell me which you would prefer. I think the endo was unavoidable in both cases once the operator error occurred. It might even have been worse without the benefit of a crumple zone. As for operator error - do you actually believe that you aren't going to make the occasional error and if the equipment is designed properly it will keep that error from becoming serious? You're talking about the wheel here? You consider the wheel to be improperly designed because it allowed you to stick your foot through the spokes? You sound like a man with a lawsuit in mind. Which makes me wonder which side Jobst would take as an expert witness. |
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"Bret Wade" wrote in message
m... Tom Kunich wrote: "Bret Wade" wrote in message m... I didn't see where bad bearings fit into the original premise of stupid light racing equipment anyway. Did you possibly see where undersized bearings did? By the way, those same size bearings are used in many wheels. Your problem sounds like the bearings were just out of adjustment anyway since you describe play as the main symptom. I can't see cartridge bearings developing much play without coming out of adjustment. If you don't understand why didn't you just ask instead of assuming something stupid? There was FREEPLAY in the bearings from wear. It doesn't take much and then the freehub started skipping. And the fork failures described both involved crashes where operator error was the root cause and a crash would have occurred whether the fork failed or not. Bret, when a fork leg breaks off you go face first into the street. If it bends you generally are thrown off sideways. By all means tell me which you would prefer. I think the endo was unavoidable in both cases once the operator error occurred. It might even have been worse without the benefit of a crumple zone. Why are you simply inventing a series of events when all you have to do is look at the accidents that occur to cyclists to see that I was simply reporting what happens and not inventing anything? As for operator error - do you actually believe that you aren't going to make the occasional error and if the equipment is designed properly it will keep that error from becoming serious? You're talking about the wheel here? You consider the wheel to be improperly designed because it allowed you to stick your foot through the spokes? You sound like a man with a lawsuit in mind. Which makes me wonder which side Jobst would take as an expert witness. Here's a clue - I have had several cases in which I could have sued someone and didn't because unless there's a wildly inappropriate action on someone else's part you shouldn't sue. Again you simply invent actions instead of addressing reality. Is there a reason for that? |
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