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Tom Stienstra: "Gridlock in wild areas: Time for new policies"
On 4 Dec 2006 10:44:07 -0800, "Beej" wrote:
On Dec 4, 9:03 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: by taking trails away from the majority, and giving them over to exclusive use by a minority: mountain bikers. There is no user conflict. the conflict is merely over the presence of BIKES, which are not users. It'd be like one of those trails where only mountain bikers were allowed, but not mountain bikes. :-) Fortunately, most people are pretty nice. Lots of friendly hikers are out there when I bike, and lots of friendly bikers are out there when I hike. I like the multi-use single track in China Camp--everyone seems to get along just fine, there. Of course, because most of the hikers & equestrians who don't like being around mountain bikers were driven out of the park! I'm not convinced this bikes-only route is the way to go. It seems like it would breed resentment instead of a spirit of cooperation. As long as mountain bikers are friendly, courteous, and respectful to other trail users, they'll always be welcomed. BS. It's the BIKES we object to. There's nothing dangerous about not smiling. The huge number of multi-use trails in the country speaks for itself in this regard. -Beej === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Tom Stienstra: "Gridlock in wild areas: Time for new policies"
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:21:52 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message .. . On 3 Dec 2006 18:43:35 -0800, " wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: There are several things wrong with Tom Stienstra's approach: Here's the reference to the original article, entitled Gridlock in Wild Areas. The article suggests ways to mitigate user conflicts in recreation areas. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...sn=001&sc=1000 Yeah, by taking trails away from the majority, and giving them over to exclusive use by a minority: mountain bikers. Exaggeration. Sensationalism. Fabrication. Show us where cyclists have "exclusive use" of the public trail system. It's a proposal. It hasn't happened, luckily. But every hiking trail with lots of mountain bikers on it will eventually drive away all the hikers. There is no user conflict. the conflict is merely over the presence of BIKES, which are not users. The BIKES are owned by taxpaying users and the LAW allows for their use. NFS Rulings - November 2005. The ONLY conflicts are those created by small-minded liars and extremists who proclaim an agenda of "wildlife" but really are only interested in boosting their egos by saying big words and creating friction. No, there are real dangers in being around fast-moving mountain bikers. Several horses have died from encounters with gonzo mountain bikers. === === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Tom Stienstra: "Gridlock in wild areas: Time for new policies"
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:05:49 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message .. . There are several things wrong with Tom Stienstra's approach: 2. Allowing bikes on trails forces land managers to either (a) build more trails, thus destroying more wildlife habitat or (b) kick hikers off of some of their trails, in order to cater to a small minority of recreationists (mountain bikers). Neither is fair or wise. So being fair to minorities is a bad thing? Yes, if it harms the majority. But mountain bikers already have access to every trail, so they aren't being discriminated against, in spite of what they say. You're not just delusional - you're also a bigot. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Tom Stienstra: "Gridlock in wild areas: Time for new policies"
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:44:36 -0800, cc wrote:
Roberto Baggio wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... There are several things wrong with Tom Stienstra's approach: 2. Allowing bikes on trails forces land managers to either (a) build more trails, thus destroying more wildlife habitat or (b) kick hikers off of some of their trails, in order to cater to a small minority of recreationists (mountain bikers). Neither is fair or wise. So being fair to minorities is a bad thing? You're not just delusional - you're also a bigot. No, just honest -- something mountain bikers wouldn't understand. Yes. This has been amply established. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Tom Stienstra: "Gridlock in wild areas: Time for new policies"
On 4 Dec 2006 12:22:06 -0800, "Bruce Jensen"
wrote: cc wrote: Roberto Baggio wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... There are several things wrong with Tom Stienstra's approach: 2. Allowing bikes on trails forces land managers to either (a) build more trails, thus destroying more wildlife habitat or (b) kick hikers off of some of their trails, in order to cater to a small minority of recreationists (mountain bikers). Neither is fair or wise. So being fair to minorities is a bad thing? You're not just delusional - you're also a bigot. Yes. This has been amply established. Bigotry applies to humans vs. animals as well. The critters are, like it or not, the ultimate minority, the least powerful and the ones who always get the shaft. Amen. But mountain bikers have the same rights as everyone else, do that are NOT discriminated against. Bruce Jensen === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Tom Stienstra: "Gridlock in wild areas: Time for new policies"
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:43:12 -0800, cc wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:11:18 -0700, Paul Cassel wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: Mountain bikes are inanimate objects and have no rights. Neither do hiking shoes. Maybe if you didn't wear shoes, you'd have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, you are just being a hypocrite. No, the point is that - by engaging in an activity shown to do equal damage to trails Repeating that lie doesn't make it true. - you are the hypocrite. DUH! === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Another Vandemann Lie!! Actually a number of them. But what else is new?
JP wrote: Top posting is a preference. It saves time and effort for the reader already following a thread. Google "netiquette" sometime. HTH. E.P. |
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Tom Stienstra: "Gridlock in wild areas: Time for new policies"
In article ,
says... It's a proposal. It hasn't happened, luckily. But every hiking trail with lots of mountain bikers on it will eventually drive away all the hikers. Didn't happen in the first hundred years of off-road cycling, but any day now.... -- is Joshua Putnam http://www.phred.org/~josh/ Braze your own bicycle frames. See http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html |
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Tom Stienstra: "Gridlock in wild areas: Time for new policies"
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:44:36 -0800, cc wrote: Roberto Baggio wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... There are several things wrong with Tom Stienstra's approach: 2. Allowing bikes on trails forces land managers to either (a) build more trails, thus destroying more wildlife habitat or (b) kick hikers off of some of their trails, in order to cater to a small minority of recreationists (mountain bikers). Neither is fair or wise. So being fair to minorities is a bad thing? You're not just delusional - you're also a bigot. No, just honest -- something mountain bikers wouldn't understand. Do you want me to spell it out for you, moron? Describing negative experiences with mountain bikers is being honest. Extrapolating those experiences to EVERY mountain biker is bigotry. Try a dictionary, asshole. Yes. This has been amply established. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Tom Stienstra: "Gridlock in wild areas: Time for new policies"
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:43:12 -0800, cc wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:11:18 -0700, Paul Cassel wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: Mountain bikes are inanimate objects and have no rights. Neither do hiking shoes. Maybe if you didn't wear shoes, you'd have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, you are just being a hypocrite. No, the point is that - by engaging in an activity shown to do equal damage to trails Repeating that lie doesn't make it true. That "lie" is backed up by scientists who are accredited and publish in peer-reviewed journals. You do not, and your opinion is therefore meaningless. Get the picture? |
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