1946 Raleighs

On 5/5/2012 3:45 PM, A. Muzi wrote:
Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
On 5/5/2012 3:09 PM, A. Muzi wrote:
Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
On 5/5/2012 1:11 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 mei 2012 19:54:16 UTC+2 schreef Tom $herman (-_-) het
volgende:
On 5/5/2012 6:22 AM, A. Muzi wrote:

http://film.britishcouncil.org/how-a-bicycle-is-made

The absence of safety glasses and machine guards, as well as the
amount
of non-automated labor) is striking to someone who has worked in a
more
modern factory. Labor was inexpensive, as the British worker at the
time was still poor [1] compared to a couple of decades later, and
could
barely afford to buy the bicycles they made.

Management was short-sighted, as profits went to a select few
stockholders, instead of being re-invested in modernization. British
executives who visited Japan in the 1960's were shocked to see how
far
behind they were, and were unable to react when the Japanese started
exporting in earnest to the "West" in the late 1960's.

[1] The profits of the British Empire always having gone to the
highly
secretive Corporation of the Crown (owner of the City of London [2]),
and not being shared among the people, who were actually taxed to
support the Corporation.

[2] Not to be confused with the much large metropolis of London
surrounding it:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

Geezzz, is this the first thing you think of when you seen this clip?
Man, you must have a miserable life...

Lou

Do not be too smug - there is a concerted effort to dismantle the
current systems in Western Europe and make them much more like the US.
Go across the English Channel to see the most advanced case. And the
ECB is having it's way with Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Greece, with
austerity for workers, and subsidies for investment bankers.


As Margaret Thatcher pithily noted, socialism works until you run out of
other people's money. Europe's party is over.

Thatcher is a criminal who should be breaking rocks in a labor camp,
and one of the primary persons responsible for destroying British
industry and degrading quality of life of those unconnected to the
City (i.e. Corporation of the Crown).

We have socialism for investment bankers, where taxes from wages
earned by labor pay for their losses. Indeed, that is unsustainable.

Europe is at least honest in its profligacy. It's not better here, we
merely have The Big Lie and a faster printing press. The foreseeable end
will be a debacle in both cases when the music stops.

If you think the US is run by anything other than the organized crime
ring known as the super-rich (who are too wealthy to be listed Forbes
and other mass-media outlets on their lists), you are sadly misinformed.

The problem is not lack of actual wealth, but a financial system that
is rigged to benefit a few thousand people at the expense of the other
7 billion. We are, as war criminal Henry Kissinger said, nothing by
"worthless eaters" in their eyes.


Margaret Thatcher Fan Club chart:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-spending-1963

I rest my case


But the Cameron/Clegg austerity measures are not bringing the promised
growth, but rather shrinking of the economy, falling wages for those
outside The City, and higher unemployment.

But hey, if you have an ideology to support, only listen to sources you
agree with.

Keynes was correct, and Friedman wrong. Sorry about that.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

On May 5, 1:09 pm, AMuzi wrote:
Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:



On 5/5/2012 1:11 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 mei 2012 19:54:16 UTC+2 schreef Tom $herman (-_-) het
volgende:
On 5/5/2012 6:22 AM, A. Muzi wrote:

http://film.britishcouncil.org/how-a-bicycle-is-made

The absence of safety glasses and machine guards, as well as the amount
of non-automated labor) is striking to someone who has worked in a more
modern factory. Labor was inexpensive, as the British worker at the
time was still poor [1] compared to a couple of decades later, and could
barely afford to buy the bicycles they made.

Management was short-sighted, as profits went to a select few
stockholders, instead of being re-invested in modernization. British
executives who visited Japan in the 1960's were shocked to see how far
behind they were, and were unable to react when the Japanese started
exporting in earnest to the "West" in the late 1960's.

[1] The profits of the British Empire always having gone to the highly
secretive Corporation of the Crown (owner of the City of London [2]),
and not being shared among the people, who were actually taxed to
support the Corporation.

[2] Not to be confused with the much large metropolis of London
surrounding it:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

Geezzz, is this the first thing you think of when you seen this clip?
Man, you must have a miserable life...

Lou

Do not be too smug - there is a concerted effort to dismantle the
current systems in Western Europe and make them much more like the US.
Go across the English Channel to see the most advanced case. And the
ECB is having it's way with Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Greece, with
austerity for workers, and subsidies for investment bankers.

As Margaret Thatcher pithily noted, socialism works until
you run out of other people's money. Europe's party is over.


Ideally, people would be utterly perplexed if some space / time
traveler dropped in and brought up the concept of "money".

Europe is at least honest in its profligacy. It's not better
here, we merely have The Big Lie and a faster printing
press. The foreseeable end will be a debacle in both cases
when the music stops.


It doesn't look encouraging, but which way do we want to go out? What
would Gene Roddenberry do?

On 5/5/2012 4:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
On 5/5/2012 3:09 PM, A. Muzi wrote:
Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
On 5/5/2012 1:11 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 mei 2012 19:54:16 UTC+2 schreef Tom $herman (-_-) het
volgende:
On 5/5/2012 6:22 AM, A. Muzi wrote:

http://film.britishcouncil.org/how-a-bicycle-is-made

The absence of safety glasses and machine guards, as well as the
amount
of non-automated labor) is striking to someone who has worked in a
more
modern factory. Labor was inexpensive, as the British worker at the
time was still poor [1] compared to a couple of decades later, and
could
barely afford to buy the bicycles they made.

Management was short-sighted, as profits went to a select few
stockholders, instead of being re-invested in modernization. British
executives who visited Japan in the 1960's were shocked to see how
far
behind they were, and were unable to react when the Japanese started
exporting in earnest to the "West" in the late 1960's.

[1] The profits of the British Empire always having gone to the
highly
secretive Corporation of the Crown (owner of the City of London [2]),
and not being shared among the people, who were actually taxed to
support the Corporation.

[2] Not to be confused with the much large metropolis of London
surrounding it:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

Geezzz, is this the first thing you think of when you seen this clip?
Man, you must have a miserable life...

Lou

Do not be too smug - there is a concerted effort to dismantle the
current systems in Western Europe and make them much more like the US.
Go across the English Channel to see the most advanced case. And the
ECB is having it's way with Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Greece, with
austerity for workers, and subsidies for investment bankers.


As Margaret Thatcher pithily noted, socialism works until you run out of
other people's money. Europe's party is over.

Thatcher is a criminal who should be breaking rocks in a labor camp,
and one of the primary persons responsible for destroying British
industry and degrading quality of life of those unconnected to the
City (i.e. Corporation of the Crown).

We have socialism for investment bankers, where taxes from wages
earned by labor pay for their losses. Indeed, that is unsustainable.

Europe is at least honest in its profligacy. It's not better here, we
merely have The Big Lie and a faster printing press. The foreseeable end
will be a debacle in both cases when the music stops.

If you think the US is run by anything other than the organized crime
ring known as the super-rich (who are too wealthy to be listed Forbes
and other mass-media outlets on their lists), you are sadly misinformed.

The problem is not lack of actual wealth, but a financial system that
is rigged to benefit a few thousand people at the expense of the other
7 billion. We are, as war criminal Henry Kissinger said, nothing by
"worthless eaters" in their eyes.


Margaret Thatcher Fan Club chart:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-spending-1963

I rest my case


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CB...ercent_GDP.png

Moral: (at least in US) If you want to lower the deficit, put a Democrat
in the White House.

Of course maybe, as Cheney said, deficits don't matter. They didn't seem
to post WWII: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USDebt.png

Of course the real way to balance budgets is to create more jobs by
putting all that idle money to work, something the conservatives have
had a very difficult time doing, historically.

Progressive? Fair?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/04...o-they-pay-now

"To put it in numbers, according to the analysis, the top 1 percent of
earners account for 20.3 percent of total personal income in the United
States and pay 21.5 percent of all federal and state taxes. The middle
20 percent of households earn 11.6 percent of US income and pay 10.3
percent of taxes. The lowest 20 percent account for just 3.5 percent of
income, and pay 2 percent of all taxes."

On 5/5/2012 4:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:

Europe is at least honest in its profligacy. It's not better here, we
merely have The Big Lie and a faster printing press. The foreseeable end
will be a debacle in both cases when the music stops.

The music stops when the fat cats take their ball and go home. That's
what happened in 1929 and 2008. The factories are still there, people
are still willing to work and purchase, nothing has changed except on
some abstract market, but everything grinds to a halt and we start
accumulating real losses, from which many people will never recover.
Look at what happened in Japan.

The real deficit isn't between revenues and expenses, it's the deficit
of what could be made/built/invented and what isn't and won't be. Those
are real tangible losses, not paper ones. The clock is ticking and the
meter is running. Deficit hawks will **** away a decade at a time when
humanity can least afford it. It's swell if you can spend the time
swanning around your Boca retreat or skiing in Aspen, , but for us
working stiffs, not so great.

The only socialism in the US has been for the financial sector. Funny
how that works -- or doesn't, obviously.

"AMuzi" wrote in message
...

http://film.britishcouncil.org/how-a-bicycle-is-made

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

The "back stays" @14:50 - 15:10 installed after the bike was dipped in
enamel, and bolted on. You work on any of those these ever?

a book on Brit frame building exists by Oliver or Olivier ?

I didn't find it right off but there were other interesting Olivers

http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=kw%...ced&dblist=638

Oliver the frame author if I remeber is Oliver the frame builder

ahhhh yuoah stiff, no?


https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...xercises&btnG=

On May 5, 9:09*pm, AMuzi wrote:

Europe is at least honest in its profligacy. It's not better
here, we merely have The Big Lie and a faster printing
press. The foreseeable end will be a debacle in both cases
when the music stops.

I congratulate you on your finely=preserved ears, Mr Muzi. You're the
only who can still hear the music.

moon rose over Soda Lake. The soda looks like tide
sky deep blue, grass green. air clean
Moon looks like he needs a quart of peptobismol

who would beleive our moon has a face on it "

On 5/5/2012 9:12 PM, Jay Beattie wrote:
The fact is that even if you go with the soak the rich plan, we're
still screwed because federal spending has gone nuts as compared to
GDP, and funding tied to non-income tax revenue sources is going away
e.g. USPS income and the Highway Trust Fund (gas tax) -- those are now
becoming general fund obligations. -- Jay Beattie.

Not if you go after the few dozen richest persons in the world (who by
the way do *not* appear on the media lists of richest people).

Nationalizing all the central banks would also do the trick, and would
have the benefit of return the control of countries to their governments
instead of unelected financiers.

Seizing the Corporation of the Crown would pay off all the government
debt in the European Union, with money left over.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!