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2008 Novara Strada opinions?
Howdy - I am trying to decide on my first decent road (or cyclocross)
bike (have MTB and commuter one). Local REI bike shop was always kind to me plus I can get the 20% off from $1100 price tag and use my REI dividend so final price would be about $870 (tax incl). As I posted in separate thread - I am on heavier side (mid 200s) so I am a bit concern about the rims. I do not know much about components but except for Tiagra brakes that seems like 105 bike (I include the specs below). Comparing gearing 50/39/25 and 12/25 10 spd with eg. Bianchi Axis 26/36/48 and 11/32T 9spd it would seem that Bianchi would be much (?) better climbing bike. Is that correct? Austin has a lot of hills so that is a bit of a concern. TIA for any input/pointers/suggestion, JT PS. Novara Strada specs: Frame 6061 Aluminum with carbon seatstays Fork Aprebic EVO carbon Crankset FSA Gossamer MegaExo Triple 50/39/30 Shifters Shimano 105 Brakes Shimano Tiagra Brake levers Shimano 105 Front derailleur Shimano 105 Rear derailleur Shimano 105 Head set Integrated semi-cartridge Bottom bracket FSA integrated cup bearings Rear cog Shimano 105 12/25 10-speed Front hub Shimano R500 Rear hub Shimano R500 Rims Shimano R500 Tires Vittoria Zaffiro Pro 700x25c Stem Ritchey OE Handlebar Ritchey Biomax OE Seat post Ritchey OE Saddle San Marco Ponza Lux Pedals Sold separately Chain Shimano 105 |
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On 19 Feb, 22:38, Woland99 wrote:
Howdy - I am trying to decide on my first decent road (or cyclocross) bike (have MTB and commuter one). Local REI bike shop was always kind to me plus I can get the 20% off from $1100 price tag and use my REI dividend so final price would be about $870 (tax incl). As I posted in separate thread - I am on heavier side (mid 200s) so I am a bit concern about the rims. I do not know much about components but except for Tiagra brakes that seems like 105 bike (I include the specs below). Comparing gearing 50/39/25 and 12/25 10 spd with eg. Bianchi Axis 26/36/48 and 11/32T 9spd it would seem that Bianchi would be much (?) better climbing bike. Is that correct? Austin has a lot of hills so that is a bit of a concern. TIA for any input/pointers/suggestion, JT PS. Novara Strada specs: Frame 6061 Aluminum with carbon seatstays Fork Aprebic EVO carbon Crankset FSA Gossamer MegaExo Triple 50/39/30 Shifters Shimano 105 Brakes Shimano Tiagra Brake levers Shimano 105 Front derailleur Shimano 105 Rear derailleur Shimano 105 Head set Integrated semi-cartridge Bottom bracket FSA integrated cup bearings Rear cog Shimano 105 12/25 10-speed Front hub Shimano R500 Rear hub Shimano R500 Rims Shimano R500 Tires Vittoria Zaffiro Pro 700x25c Stem Ritchey OE Handlebar Ritchey Biomax OE Seat post Ritchey OE Saddle San Marco Ponza Lux Pedals Sold separately Chain Shimano 105 That looks like a nice bike with no obvious cheap-outs in the spec. If you can get for $870 that sound good. Those wheels are pretty nice, so if I were you I'd just ride them and see if they are up to the task rather than spending money right off the bat, and only replace if they break. As far as gearing goes, a 30x25 is a very low gear. The Bianchi is a cross bike meant to be taken off road where there are much steeper hills so it has lower gearing. As a test take your MTB out to some of the road hills you may ride and try in a similar gear to the 30x25. to make sure. You can always buy a slightly bigger cassette if the 30x25 is too hard. Joseph |
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On Feb 20, 2:52 am, "
wrote: On 19 Feb, 22:38, Woland99 wrote: Howdy - I am trying to decide on my first decent road (or cyclocross) bike (have MTB and commuter one). Local REI bike shop was always kind to me plus I can get the 20% off from $1100 price tag and use my REI dividend so final price would be about $870 (tax incl). As I posted in separate thread - I am on heavier side (mid 200s) so I am a bit concern about the rims. I do not know much about components but except for Tiagra brakes that seems like 105 bike (I include the specs below). Comparing gearing 50/39/25 and 12/25 10 spd with eg. Bianchi Axis 26/36/48 and 11/32T 9spd it would seem that Bianchi would be much (?) better climbing bike. Is that correct? Austin has a lot of hills so that is a bit of a concern. TIA for any input/pointers/suggestion, JT PS. Novara Strada specs: Frame 6061 Aluminum with carbon seatstays Fork Aprebic EVO carbon Crankset FSA Gossamer MegaExo Triple 50/39/30 Shifters Shimano 105 Brakes Shimano Tiagra Brake levers Shimano 105 Front derailleur Shimano 105 Rear derailleur Shimano 105 Head set Integrated semi-cartridge Bottom bracket FSA integrated cup bearings Rear cog Shimano 105 12/25 10-speed Front hub Shimano R500 Rear hub Shimano R500 Rims Shimano R500 Tires Vittoria Zaffiro Pro 700x25c Stem Ritchey OE Handlebar Ritchey Biomax OE Seat post Ritchey OE Saddle San Marco Ponza Lux Pedals Sold separately Chain Shimano 105 That looks like a nice bike with no obvious cheap-outs in the spec. If you can get for $870 that sound good. Those wheels are pretty nice, so if I were you I'd just ride them and see if they are up to the task rather than spending money right off the bat, and only replace if they break. As far as gearing goes, a 30x25 is a very low gear. The Bianchi is a cross bike meant to be taken off road where there are much steeper hills so it has lower gearing. As a test take your MTB out to some of the road hills you may ride and try in a similar gear to the 30x25. to make sure. You can always buy a slightly bigger cassette if the 30x25 is too hard. Joseph Thanks for comments - I will take it for a spin but (as mentioned in "max load") thread I may decide to just get 27spd steel frame touring type road bike. That way I a year or so if I go for a good road bike (hopefully with less of weight related constraints) I will be left with decent touring/commuter bike. I will check Novara Randonee, Trek 520, Surly LHT, Bianchi Volpe and perhaps Bianchi Eros. |
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On Feb 20, 5:42 am, Woland99 wrote:
On Feb 20, 2:52 am, " wrote: On 19 Feb, 22:38, Woland99 wrote: Howdy - I am trying to decide on my first decent road (or cyclocross) bike (have MTB and commuter one). Local REI bike shop was always kind to me plus I can get the 20% off from $1100 price tag and use my REI dividend so final price would be about $870 (tax incl). As I posted in separate thread - I am on heavier side (mid 200s) so I am a bit concern about the rims. I do not know much about components but except for Tiagra brakes that seems like 105 bike (I include the specs below). Comparing gearing 50/39/25 and 12/25 10 spd with eg. Bianchi Axis 26/36/48 and 11/32T 9spd it would seem that Bianchi would be much (?) better climbing bike. Is that correct? Austin has a lot of hills so that is a bit of a concern. TIA for any input/pointers/suggestion, JT PS. Novara Strada specs: Frame 6061 Aluminum with carbon seatstays Fork Aprebic EVO carbon Crankset FSA Gossamer MegaExo Triple 50/39/30 Shifters Shimano 105 Brakes Shimano Tiagra Brake levers Shimano 105 Front derailleur Shimano 105 Rear derailleur Shimano 105 Head set Integrated semi-cartridge Bottom bracket FSA integrated cup bearings Rear cog Shimano 105 12/25 10-speed Front hub Shimano R500 Rear hub Shimano R500 Rims Shimano R500 Tires Vittoria Zaffiro Pro 700x25c Stem Ritchey OE Handlebar Ritchey Biomax OE Seat post Ritchey OE Saddle San Marco Ponza Lux Pedals Sold separately Chain Shimano 105 That looks like a nice bike with no obvious cheap-outs in the spec. If you can get for $870 that sound good. Those wheels are pretty nice, so if I were you I'd just ride them and see if they are up to the task rather than spending money right off the bat, and only replace if they break. As far as gearing goes, a 30x25 is a very low gear. The Bianchi is a cross bike meant to be taken off road where there are much steeper hills so it has lower gearing. As a test take your MTB out to some of the road hills you may ride and try in a similar gear to the 30x25. to make sure. You can always buy a slightly bigger cassette if the 30x25 is too hard. Joseph Thanks for comments - I will take it for a spin but (as mentioned in "max load") thread I may decide to just get 27spd steel frame touring type road bike. That way I a year or so if I go for a good road bike (hopefully with less of weight related constraints) I will be left with decent touring/commuter bike. I will check Novara Randonee, Trek 520, Surly LHT, Bianchi Volpe and perhaps Bianchi Eros. The Novara and Surly are both fantastic--good ramblin' bikes. Put some big ass platform pedals on 'em and ride anywhere for any reason. No excuses. Need 3" espresso machine gaskets? Jump on and ride ten miles to the espresso-gaskets-R-us. See a fire road on the way? You can always get gaskets another day. I did one of those rides on Sunday. Went out for a can of beer, ended up running into a buddy and cranking out 30 miles that went by way too quickly. Never would have happened with a pure road bike. Something that can carry 3-4 smoked mackerels is really the ticket, IMHO. |
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2008 Novara Strada opinions?
Woland99 wrote:
I am a bit concerned about the rims. I'm not familiar with the R500 rims. But the most important thing is how well the wheels are built. You want adequate and even spoke tension, as well as having the spokes stress relieved. How many spokes? http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/wh...5_2490crx.aspx Art Harris |
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On Feb 20, 10:56 am, Art Harris wrote:
Woland99 wrote: I am a bit concerned about the rims. I'm not familiar with the R500 rims. But the most important thing is how well the wheels are built. You want adequate and even spoke tension, as well as having the spokes stress relieved. How many spokes? http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/wh...ano/PRD_366355... Boy, those reviews sure speak da truth! The only solution when something like that fails, is to buy buy buy new wheels. With traditional wheels, if they come with gimpy rims--it's easy and cheap to just swap them out and tighten 'em up. That said, if the OP can get a stellar deal on the bike, a set of prebuilt Ultegra/Openpros are a relatively inexpensive commodity item that can be tuned quite easily. |
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2008 Novara Strada opinions?
On 20 Feb, 17:56, Art Harris wrote:
Woland99 wrote: I am a bit concerned about the rims. I'm not familiar with the R500 rims. But the most important thing is how well the wheels are built. You want adequate and even spoke tension, as well as having the spokes stress relieved. How many spokes? http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/wh...ano/PRD_366355... Art Harris The R500's I've seen used regular spokes as I recall. This is part of my assesment that they are fine to start with. Not as good as a high spoke count standard wheelset, but not crazy either. Joseph |
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2008 Novara Strada opinions?
You say "27spd" as if it matters. It doesn't. The middle ring on
virtually any triple provides nothing but redundant gears. This does not mean it is useless. It makes for less shifts, mechanically much easier shifts, and physiometrically much pleasanter shifts (no need to shift across the cassette first when up shifting, or back when down shifting) than a comparable "compact" double. And you can space the big and little rings so the chain won't catch or fall in between, and has a slightly better angle at the extremes. So, all this for the fairly small weight of a 3d ring and some bolts. But it doesn't end there. The big and small ring also crossover (overlap) at the 52/21. So you lose a few more gears. And you will find that closely spaced low gears just aren't all that useful... So you end up with about a dozen real gears, and a "30spd" will give you a baker's dozen if you do it right.. A steel touring bike is a perfectly fine road bike. It will differ from a club racer mostly in geometry and wheels, and a little bit in weight. You can change wheels, unless you are weaving through a pack you will want to keep the geometry, and as far as the weight goes, think percentages!-) JG |
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2008 Novara Strada opinions?
On Feb 20, 10:56 am, Art Harris wrote:
Woland99 wrote: I am a bit concerned about the rims. I'm not familiar with the R500 rims. But the most important thing is how well the wheels are built. You want adequate and even spoke tension, as well as having the spokes stress relieved. How many spokes? http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/wh...ano/PRD_366355... Art Harris Those reviews are not very flattering - it seems that with my weight I would have to change the wheels right away. That means extra cost hmmm... I think I will drop the Strada from my list and follow with touring bike idea. Novara Randonee comes with Mavic A319S - are those somewhat better than R500? I will test ride Novara Randonee, Bianchi Volpe, Jamis Aurora, Surly LHT (if I can find dealer that has them in stock) and maybe Trek 520, Aurora Elite and Raleigh Sojourn (depends how much I can get for my commuter bike). Salsa Casseroll Triple is also nice but a bit outside my price range - $800-1100. I like Randonee b/c I had very good experience with local REI shop and it seems it has somewhat lower gears than others: 48/36/26 and 11/32 9spd. Altho I am not sure if those numbers are really meaningful without length of cranks. |
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Woland99 wrote:
touring bike idea. Novara Randonee comes with Mavic A319S - are those somewhat better than R500? Yes, and I think the wheels have 36 spokes. My only reservation on the A319S is that I think it uses a single eylet instead of a "socket" to support the spoke nipple. You're going to need a good amount of spoke tension to keep the wheels true, and the single eyelet may result in the rim cracking and the spoke pulling through. A socket spreads the spoke tension over both surfaces of the rim. The Mavic A719 uses sockets. Here's a picture of a Mavic Open Pro rim to illustrate what a socket is: http://www.performancebike.com/produ...0-NCL-SIDE.jpg I like Randonee b/c I had very good experience with local REI shop and it seems it has somewhat lower gears than others: 48/36/26 and 11/32 9spd. Altho I am not sure if those numbers are really meaningful without length of cranks. Those are really low gears. Crank length has a pretty small effect, usually only varying by a couple of mm. Art Harris |
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