What do you find worse - dry heat or heat & humidity?

Just wondering what others feel is worse. What do you think is worse, riding in a dry environment (desert) with 110F temperatures or riding in an area where the heat and humidity combine to give a temperature of 110F?

IO figure that at lest in t he desert sweat can evaporate and thus cool you but when there's really high humidity the sweat does NOT evaporate and thus you lose most of the cooling effect of sweating.

Opinions?

Cheers

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 8:56:58 PM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Just wondering what others feel is worse. What do you think is worse, riding in a dry environment (desert) with 110F temperatures or riding in an area where the heat and humidity combine to give a temperature of 110F?

IO figure that at lest in t he desert sweat can evaporate and thus cool you but when there's really high humidity the sweat does NOT evaporate and thus you lose most of the cooling effect of sweating.

Opinions?

Cheers

I live where we see 90s and high humidity.

I frequently stop in stores about every 5 miles to cool off.

I once hiked up a mountain in New Mexico when it was around 95 F.

I did not sweat very much and it sure did not feel like 95.

Andy

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 19:15:38 -0700 (PDT),
AK wrote:
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 8:56:58 PM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Just wondering what others feel is worse. What do you think is worse, riding in a dry environment (desert) with 110F temperatures or riding in an area where the heat and humidity combine to give a temperature of 110F?

IO figure that at lest in t he desert sweat can evaporate and
thus cool you but when there's really high humidity the sweat
does NOT evaporate and thus you lose most of the cooling
effect of sweating.

Opinions?

I prefer the lower humidity setting, because it is much more
comfortable for me. No problem with sweat dripping down on my
glasses and into my eyes, and less risk of overheating.

In lower humidity riding I do have to be more mindful of drinking
regularly. Without sweat buildup as an indicator, my tendency is
to lose track of (or not appreciate) the great amount of fluid I'm
actually losing through sweating (that quickly evaporates).


I live where we see 90s and high humidity.

I frequently stop in stores about every 5 miles to cool off.

I once hiked up a mountain in New Mexico when it was around 95
F.

I did not sweat very much and it sure did not feel like 95.

I'd be inclined to think you probably sweated quite a lot on that
mountain hike, but were just not very aware of it because it
evaporated so quickly.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:56:56 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

Just wondering what others feel is worse. What do you think is worse, riding in a dry environment (desert) with 110F temperatures or riding in an area where the heat and humidity combine to give a temperature of 110F?

When I was stationed at Edwards AFT in the Mojave Desert a couple of
"rock hounds" were prospecting north of the major highway that runs
east and west north of the air base. Their jeep broke down in sight of
the highway and they tried to walk out in the middle of the day -
maybe two miles at most. they never made it.

So I'd say that cycling even walking a arid area is extremely
dangerous. Or perhaps should be said to require proper planning.
Here in the middle of the day the temperature might be in the 100
degree range but with high humidity and I might be coming home from a
long ride. I certainly slow down but it is doable with plenty of water
bottles.

At Edwards, coming back from lunch, say 13:00, walking in from the
parking lot to the shop - maybe a hundred yards, you didn't appear to
sweat not at all. Of course you did sweat but it evaporated so quickly
that even your arm pits didn't seem to be wet :-)


IO figure that at lest in t he desert sweat can evaporate and thus cool you but when there's really high humidity the sweat does NOT evaporate and thus you lose most of the cooling effect of sweating.

Opinions?

Cheers
--
cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:47:51 +0700, John B.
wrote:

At Edwards, coming back from lunch, say 13:00, walking in from the
parking lot to the shop - maybe a hundred yards, you didn't appear to
sweat not at all. Of course you did sweat but it evaporated so quickly
that even your arm pits didn't seem to be wet :-)

Last millenium, I went on many a ride where my first clue that I'd
been sweating was finding my face gritty with salt.

And other times .. . on one ride, my sweat shorted out my wrist watch.

I remember climbing a hill and being both cold and sweaty. I think
the humidity was condensing on me.

Supposed to be 95 F tomorrow. I'm taking two bottles of tea,
starch-sugar-and-vinegar water to add to water picked up along the
way, and five sandwich bags of ice.

This will be my first group ride in twenty years.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 22:39:11 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:47:51 +0700, John B.
wrote:

At Edwards, coming back from lunch, say 13:00, walking in from the
parking lot to the shop - maybe a hundred yards, you didn't appear to
sweat not at all. Of course you did sweat but it evaporated so quickly
that even your arm pits didn't seem to be wet :-)

Last millenium, I went on many a ride where my first clue that I'd
been sweating was finding my face gritty with salt.

And other times .. . on one ride, my sweat shorted out my wrist watch.

I remember climbing a hill and being both cold and sweaty. I think
the humidity was condensing on me.

Supposed to be 95 F tomorrow. I'm taking two bottles of tea,
starch-sugar-and-vinegar water to add to water picked up along the
way, and five sandwich bags of ice.

This will be my first group ride in twenty years.

The usually estimate is about between 27 ounces and 47 ounces of
water lost per hour when exercising. or what? 1.6 to 3 pints per hour.

In hot humid weather in S. Thailand it was fairly common for me to
lose a kilogram in weight over a 2 - 3 hour ride even when drinking
2.5 litres of water.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:25:14 +0700,
John B wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 22:39:11 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:47:51 +0700, John B.
wrote:

At Edwards, coming back from lunch, say 13:00, walking in
from the parking lot to the shop - maybe a hundred yards, you
didn't appear to sweat not at all. Of course you did sweat
but it evaporated so quickly that even your arm pits didn't
seem to be wet :-)

Last millenium, I went on many a ride where my first clue that
I'd been sweating was finding my face gritty with salt.

And other times .. . on one ride, my sweat shorted out my wrist
watch.

I remember climbing a hill and being both cold and sweaty. I
think the humidity was condensing on me.

Supposed to be 95 F tomorrow. I'm taking two bottles of tea,
starch-sugar-and-vinegar water to add to water picked up along
the way, and five sandwich bags of ice.

This will be my first group ride in twenty years.

The usually estimate is about between 27 ounces and 47 ounces
of water lost per hour when exercising. or what? 1.6 to 3 pints
per hour.

In hot humid weather in S. Thailand it was fairly common for me
to lose a kilogram in weight over a 2 - 3 hour ride even when
drinking 2.5 litres of water. -- cheers,

I weighed 195 this morning before riding, under 188 when I
finished--despite having consumed three bottles of water, a
banana, and a Clif bar. Of course it was a 4+ hour ride.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:29:34 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:25:14 +0700,
John B wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 22:39:11 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:47:51 +0700, John B.
wrote:

At Edwards, coming back from lunch, say 13:00, walking in
from the parking lot to the shop - maybe a hundred yards, you
didn't appear to sweat not at all. Of course you did sweat
but it evaporated so quickly that even your arm pits didn't
seem to be wet :-)

Last millenium, I went on many a ride where my first clue that
I'd been sweating was finding my face gritty with salt.

And other times .. . on one ride, my sweat shorted out my wrist
watch.

I remember climbing a hill and being both cold and sweaty. I
think the humidity was condensing on me.

Supposed to be 95 F tomorrow. I'm taking two bottles of tea,
starch-sugar-and-vinegar water to add to water picked up along
the way, and five sandwich bags of ice.

This will be my first group ride in twenty years.

The usually estimate is about between 27 ounces and 47 ounces
of water lost per hour when exercising. or what? 1.6 to 3 pints
per hour.

In hot humid weather in S. Thailand it was fairly common for me
to lose a kilogram in weight over a 2 - 3 hour ride even when
drinking 2.5 litres of water. -- cheers,

I weighed 195 this morning before riding, under 188 when I
finished--despite having consumed three bottles of water, a
banana, and a Clif bar. Of course it was a 4+ hour ride.

Well, you lost approximately 7 lbs, or 3.175 kg while ingesting
approximately 2.25 liters of drink (my bottles hold about 3/4 liter)
so your total weight loss during the ride was 3.175kg + 2.25 kg
(liters) of which you replaced 2.25 kg (liters).

I read that an average person sweats between 0.8 to 1.4 liters per
hour during exercise.

In your case your apparent sweat rate was about 1.35 liters per hour
which falls within the average ratings. while you intake was about
0.56 liters per hour.

--
cheers,

John B.

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 7:39:13 PM UTC-7, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:47:51 +0700, John B.
wrote:

At Edwards, coming back from lunch, say 13:00, walking in from the
parking lot to the shop - maybe a hundred yards, you didn't appear to
sweat not at all. Of course you did sweat but it evaporated so quickly
that even your arm pits didn't seem to be wet :-)

Last millenium, I went on many a ride where my first clue that I'd
been sweating was finding my face gritty with salt.

And other times .. . on one ride, my sweat shorted out my wrist watch.

I remember climbing a hill and being both cold and sweaty. I think
the humidity was condensing on me.

Supposed to be 95 F tomorrow. I'm taking two bottles of tea,
starch-sugar-and-vinegar water to add to water picked up along the
way, and five sandwich bags of ice.

This will be my first group ride in twenty years.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

Huzzah!
We will be hoping for a full report at rec.bicycles.rides or here.
Hope all goes well and that you don't get too irritated with having to wait for everyone to catch up all the time.

pH in Aptos, CA

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 9:04:25 PM UTC-7, pH wrote:
On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 7:39:13 PM UTC-7, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:47:51 +0700, John B.
wrote:

At Edwards, coming back from lunch, say 13:00, walking in from the
parking lot to the shop - maybe a hundred yards, you didn't appear to
sweat not at all. Of course you did sweat but it evaporated so quickly
that even your arm pits didn't seem to be wet :-)

Last millenium, I went on many a ride where my first clue that I'd
been sweating was finding my face gritty with salt.

And other times .. . on one ride, my sweat shorted out my wrist watch.

I remember climbing a hill and being both cold and sweaty. I think
the humidity was condensing on me.

Supposed to be 95 F tomorrow. I'm taking two bottles of tea,
starch-sugar-and-vinegar water to add to water picked up along the
way, and five sandwich bags of ice.

This will be my first group ride in twenty years.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

Huzzah!
We will be hoping for a full report at rec.bicycles.rides or here.
Hope all goes well and that you don't get too irritated with having to wait for everyone to catch up all the time.

pH in Aptos, CA

We used to do a club ride down to Aptos but the price of the motel down there got so damned high that no one wanted to pay the price. Too bad. It was a nice ride from San Leandro.