Sue or go bankrupt?

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 03:57:04 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:06:58 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/30/2019 3:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:00:21 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
wrote:

John B. wrote:

You, apparently, are in the minority with this theory.

So were abolitionists. They were right.

If you are talking about U.S. history, of the 34 states in 1861 19
were free states.


A not-unrelated observation in that before oil energy all
the world ran on slavery, draft animals and dung in the streets.

Well, dung in the streets wasn't really a fundamental factor in
cavitation :-)
On other hand, dung in the streets gave a lot of otherwise unemployed
people a chance to "make a buck" by sweeping places where people
walked so perhaps it was a useful factor :-)

Correction: should have read "wasn't really a fundamental factor in
civilization" :-(
--
cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 03:57:04 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:06:58 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/30/2019 3:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:00:21 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
wrote:

John B. wrote:

You, apparently, are in the minority with this theory.

So were abolitionists. They were right.

If you are talking about U.S. history, of the 34 states in 1861 19
were free states.


A not-unrelated observation in that before oil energy all the world ran
on slavery, draft animals and dung in the streets.

Well, dung in the streets wasn't really a fundamental factor in
cavitation :-)
On other hand, dung in the streets gave a lot of otherwise unemployed
people a chance to "make a buck" by sweeping places where people walked
so perhaps it was a useful factor :-)

And the roses were so much better.

On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 07:04:15 -0700, jbeattie wrote:

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 10:52:48 PM UTC-7, Chalo wrote:
jbeattie wrote:
Yikes, the UVC and slavery in the same sentence? Wow.

Yep. Cars will be the thing that people of the future use to conclude
we were all assholes. Gluttonous, callously indifferent, and
flagrantly unethical. Sociopathic even.

How do you see the 9B future people getting around?

well as they crowd together, there will be less room for PPT(personal
private transport) of the size of current ICe motor cars and vhicle size
will continue the trend tht they have been for the last few decades.

Gradually, they will transistion to electric power.

There will be that long promised transition to mass ransit and the PPt
that is the bicycle will continue.


Depending on your
view of the future, the ICE may even make a come-back,

Right after the flying car!

On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 10:48:45 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


Shrug, it is country thaty cosiders the "right" to bear arms and
discharge a firearm surpasses any other right right.


I would hope the above is simple ignorance and not your deliberate
scrambling of principles.

A free people remain so in part by armed resistance to enslavement:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-29308509

(an armed populace is necessary but not sufficient)

History is filled with tragic heartbreaking examples.

No civilized place allows negligent discharge or wanton assault. sheesh.

So all those guns deaths in the USa are all allowed discharges?
Seriously, before the USA can start to lecture any other country, there
area few "statistics' it might like to address, like gun deaths and the
road toll for starters.

It might also help to start with literacy.

On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 20:43:22 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

I once knew a guy who showed up to school after a frustrating weekend of deer
hunting. I heard him tell another guy he was so disgusted he took a few bush
shots.

"What's a bush shot?" I asked.

"I heard something moving in the bushes, so I just shot into the bushes."

I was pretty horrified, because it easily could have been another hunter in the
bush; but the asshole hunter thought nothing of it.

I read a similar story somewhere, but that one ended "and then a
hunter at another table got up and knocked him across the room."

--
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 03:59:35 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 03:57:04 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:06:58 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/30/2019 3:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:00:21 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
wrote:

John B. wrote:

You, apparently, are in the minority with this theory.

So were abolitionists. They were right.

If you are talking about U.S. history, of the 34 states in 1861 19
were free states.


A not-unrelated observation in that before oil energy all the world ran
on slavery, draft animals and dung in the streets.

Well, dung in the streets wasn't really a fundamental factor in
cavitation :-)
On other hand, dung in the streets gave a lot of otherwise unemployed
people a chance to "make a buck" by sweeping places where people walked
so perhaps it was a useful factor :-)

And the roses were so much better.

In 1900 there were an estimated 50,000 horses used for transportation
in the city of London. As each horse produces 15 to 35 pounds of
manure, and about 2 pints of urine per day, that was 750 tons of
manure and 12,500 gallons of urine every single day.

Never mind the roses, get the broom! And the mop!
--
cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:18:39 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 03:59:35 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 03:57:04 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:06:58 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/30/2019 3:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:00:21 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
wrote:

John B. wrote:

You, apparently, are in the minority with this theory.

So were abolitionists. They were right.

If you are talking about U.S. history, of the 34 states in 1861 19
were free states.


A not-unrelated observation in that before oil energy all the world
ran on slavery, draft animals and dung in the streets.

Well, dung in the streets wasn't really a fundamental factor in
cavitation :-)
On other hand, dung in the streets gave a lot of otherwise unemployed
people a chance to "make a buck" by sweeping places where people
walked so perhaps it was a useful factor :-)

And the roses were so much better.

In 1900 there were an estimated 50,000 horses used for transportation in
the city of London. As each horse produces 15 to 35 pounds of manure,
and about 2 pints of urine per day, that was 750 tons of manure and
12,500 gallons of urine every single day.

Never mind the roses, get the broom! And the mop!

Nope, if there were roses everywhere, the free droppings would be
shovelled off the streets gratis.

with John B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 14:46:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 6/30/2019 11:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/29/2019 8:59 PM, news18 wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:37:29 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 19:53:46 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:
On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 9:25:53 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 02:46:08 -0700, Chalo wrote:

*SKIP*
The "armed resistance to enslavement" that Canada has seems to be
sufficient. But to me, the "armed resistance" of the U.S. seems
grossly excessive.
The U.S. runs around all over the world bragging about their
democratic government and bemoaning the fact that "that country"
doesn't have a democratic system "like we do" and now someone talks
about "armed resistance" ... to a system that the U.S. promotes
internationally?

See it this way. This 'democratic government' is so stable that it's
okay with 'armed resistance'. Now, if US sells someone idea of The DG
the implementation couldn't possibly be stable without The AR. So
unfortunate implementors will absolutely need The AR (for sake of
stability). So emerges new marketplace.

*CUT*

--
Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:24:34 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:18:39 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 03:59:35 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 03:57:04 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:06:58 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/30/2019 3:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:00:21 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
wrote:

John B. wrote:

You, apparently, are in the minority with this theory.

So were abolitionists. They were right.

If you are talking about U.S. history, of the 34 states in 1861 19
were free states.


A not-unrelated observation in that before oil energy all the world
ran on slavery, draft animals and dung in the streets.

Well, dung in the streets wasn't really a fundamental factor in
cavitation :-)
On other hand, dung in the streets gave a lot of otherwise unemployed
people a chance to "make a buck" by sweeping places where people
walked so perhaps it was a useful factor :-)

And the roses were so much better.

In 1900 there were an estimated 50,000 horses used for transportation in
the city of London. As each horse produces 15 to 35 pounds of manure,
and about 2 pints of urine per day, that was 750 tons of manure and
12,500 gallons of urine every single day.

Never mind the roses, get the broom! And the mop!

Nope, if there were roses everywhere, the free droppings would be
shovelled off the streets gratis.

Think a little. Where would you shovel it to?

The main problem with the manure was that it would take a considerable
number of teams and wagons to haul what you sweep up and get it to
somewhere that you can dump it. A typical heavy freight wagon will
carry about 6 tons and requires a 8 horse team to haul that weight.

So 750 tons will require 125 wagons and 1,000 horses which will
produce 15 more tons of manure which will require 25 more wagons and
200 more horses, which will produce some 3 more tons of manure, which
will require one more wagon and 8 more horses :-0

Then comes the problem that a loaded heavy wagon can travel about 15
miles a day and London is a large place, about 122 square miles in
1851, which could be an 11 mile trip from the center of town to the
outskirts so depending on where you can dump your load you may require
a great many more wagons and teams as a round trip may be more than
15 miles, which would be a day and a half trip.And added to that a
working team can't work every day and need rest days so even more
horses will be required to allow resting the teams.

Than there comes the problem that horses have to eat and a heavy
working horse will eat about 2% of their of their body weight every
day and a 2,000 pound Clydesdale will eat about 40 pounds of feed
daily so without considering any extra horses the original 1,000 + 200
horses will require something like 24 tons of feed a day so 4 more
wagons and 32 more horses will be required to haul feed into town for
the horses.

All in all, it certainly seems cheaper and easier to just use motor
vehicles, which of course is just what happened.

(sometimes problems cannot be solved by simply waving one hands and
mouthing some platitude)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 17:27:39 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:24:34 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:18:39 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 03:59:35 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 03:57:04 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:06:58 -0500, AMuzi
wrote:

On 6/30/2019 3:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:00:21 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
wrote:

John B. wrote:

You, apparently, are in the minority with this theory.

So were abolitionists. They were right.

If you are talking about U.S. history, of the 34 states in 1861 19
were free states.


A not-unrelated observation in that before oil energy all the world
ran on slavery, draft animals and dung in the streets.

Well, dung in the streets wasn't really a fundamental factor in
cavitation :-)
On other hand, dung in the streets gave a lot of otherwise
unemployed people a chance to "make a buck" by sweeping places where
people walked so perhaps it was a useful factor :-)

And the roses were so much better.

In 1900 there were an estimated 50,000 horses used for transportation
in the city of London. As each horse produces 15 to 35 pounds of
manure, and about 2 pints of urine per day, that was 750 tons of
manure and 12,500 gallons of urine every single day.

Never mind the roses, get the broom! And the mop!

Nope, if there were roses everywhere, the free droppings would be
shovelled off the streets gratis.

Think a little. Where would you shovel it to?

Sheesh, all the rose gardens alog the road.

The main problem with the manure was that it would take a considerable
number of teams and wagons to haul what you sweep up and get it to
somewhere that you can dump it. A typical heavy freight wagon will carry
about 6 tons and requires a 8 horse team to haul that weight.

Now you're definitely making a mountain out of droppings. and as London,
and many other cxities didn't disappear under it, there must have been a
workable solution.

miles a day and London is a large place, about 122 square miles in 1851,
which could be an 11 mile trip from the center of town to the outskirts

Hint, I think you need to revist your olde map of London. There were lots
of gardens in the city centre. Even now, we don't pave a location from
horizon to horizon, but the food growing has moved to the outer suburbs.