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BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock
On 12/4/2017 3:10 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
sms wrote: I was comparing a lock with the same diameter cable, name brand, this one with 5 keys instead of 3 keys. 5 keys? You US people sure loose a lot of keys But yes, it seems like a fair comparison. It would seem the BBB-41 is the unique identifier used internally as well when they refer to the product. How much do you pay for a 12 mm wire bike lock at AMuzi's, if it isn't a secret? It's just a retail $19.95 lock. 2-meter cable lock x 12mm is a commodity. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock
the sky is blue grass is green .5 inch cable is wide n wider than your cable duh
if thieves abound cable will unround better off with flat grade 8 chain or pipe/lock or bring it with you |
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BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock
On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:43:44 +0100, Emanuel Berg
wrote: I just bought a BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock, which is a twinned multi-wire within a plastic enclosement. The diameter is 12 mm and the length is 180 cm. It is a "7" on a scale perhaps (?) designating overall difficulty to brake. The lock works with BBL-92 and -93 which appears to be fittings to hold bicycle gear on a/the bike, from the same manufacturer. You get three keys. Those are smaller than the ones I'm used to for this kind of size lock. Also, the keyhole doesn't have a lid so despite being small (the smaller keys, remember?) I suspect some water will make its way inside. When the temperature gets below zero (C), this could be a problem. The lock is made in China tho BBB Cycling is of the Netherlands. So no lack of manufacturing/bike experience The price is 289 SEK which I consider a standard deal for a quality lock. However it would still be interesting to hear what you pay, or would pay, for the same product. Given that many of the commercial "bicycle locks" can be rather easily cut with hand tools I have always considered bicycle locking devices as something the prevent a casual thief from stealing the bicycle and am not prepared to spend a lot of money on one. I currently have a 5 foot length of steel chain and a padlock that I carry along if I plan on leaving the bicycle unattended. I believe that the price for my length of chain and padlock is probably cheaper then the specially designed bicycle lock. -- Cheers, John B. |
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BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock
On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 15:31:49 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/4/2017 3:10 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: sms wrote: I was comparing a lock with the same diameter cable, name brand, this one with 5 keys instead of 3 keys. 5 keys? You US people sure loose a lot of keys But yes, it seems like a fair comparison. It would seem the BBB-41 is the unique identifier used internally as well when they refer to the product. How much do you pay for a 12 mm wire bike lock at AMuzi's, if it isn't a secret? It's just a retail $19.95 lock. 2-meter cable lock x 12mm is a commodity. Goodness! Do these locks have an actual 1/2" steel cable? (I had always taken that claim as advertising :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock
On 12/4/2017 6:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 15:31:49 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 12/4/2017 3:10 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: sms wrote: I was comparing a lock with the same diameter cable, name brand, this one with 5 keys instead of 3 keys. 5 keys? You US people sure loose a lot of keys But yes, it seems like a fair comparison. It would seem the BBB-41 is the unique identifier used internally as well when they refer to the product. How much do you pay for a 12 mm wire bike lock at AMuzi's, if it isn't a secret? It's just a retail $19.95 lock. 2-meter cable lock x 12mm is a commodity. Goodness! Do these locks have an actual 1/2" steel cable? (I had always taken that claim as advertising :-) technically 0.47 inches http://www.onguardlock.com/store/doberman-8031 (the 10mm model sells better) but then again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ8FZnMYkyY solid hardened steel U-lock, 9 seconds. actual security cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dz0Za5-wOM -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock
BBB supplies good quality stuff. I have some of their tools. For instance, my torque wrench set is from BBB, as good as new after about 20 years, and I bought it used from a shop that didn't have one in their stock to sell me, so I made them an offer they couldn't refuse for their own workshop set. It is a name you can trust.
In locks you generally get what you pay for. In Europe, it is widely considered that the best bicycle lock, best being the one that will delay the thief the longest rather than defeating him altogether, is the Abus 54 Granit X, which is a U-lock. I paid about Euro 60, including carriage for mine. A thief needs to bring his battery powered disc grinder along to cut that one.. Eventually I got tired of bending over to fit it, though I still carry it in a quick release clip under the seat to whack cars that pass me too close. I now have a different anti-theft concept, though it should be pointed out that I live in such a low-crime area that I can leave drugs unattended in the basket, plainly labelled in the bag of the supplying pharmacy, while I go into shops and the library. Now I don't lock the bike, I merely make it impossible to ride away, or even to push, by unlocking the steer tube from the handlebars with a Swiss n'lock (that's right, all lower case. There's a full description at http://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3930.0 Andre Jute The zero maintenance cyclist On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:43:49 PM UTC, Emanuel Berg wrote: I just bought a BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock, which is a twinned multi-wire within a plastic enclosement. The diameter is 12 mm and the length is 180 cm. It is a "7" on a scale perhaps (?) designating overall difficulty to brake. The lock works with BBL-92 and -93 which appears to be fittings to hold bicycle gear on a/the bike, from the same manufacturer. You get three keys. Those are smaller than the ones I'm used to for this kind of size lock. Also, the keyhole doesn't have a lid so despite being small (the smaller keys, remember?) I suspect some water will make its way inside. When the temperature gets below zero (C), this could be a problem. The lock is made in China tho BBB Cycling is of the Netherlands. So no lack of manufacturing/bike experience The price is 289 SEK which I consider a standard deal for a quality lock. However it would still be interesting to hear what you pay, or would pay, for the same product. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock
AMuzi wrote:
It's just a retail $19.95 lock. 2-meter cable lock x 12mm is a commodity. In the shop where I got this, a shop with a 50/50 utility/sport as well as repair/sell profile, there were also two other bike cable locks but from Oxford, not BBB. I didn't check the diameter tho but I'd say one of the Oxfords was the same, the other thinner. The shop owner said the BBB was of superior quality and this was my intuition as well. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock
John B. wrote:
Given that many of the commercial "bicycle locks" can be rather easily cut with hand tools This cannot in reasonable time unless there is a hand tool and/or method I'm unfamiliar with. There is something with the plastic that prevents you from getting the power down to the wire. If you keep at it, you'll succeed eventually, of course, but no thief will do that out in the open to get a bike of this (monetary) value. I have always considered bicycle locking devices as something the prevent a casual thief from stealing the bicycle It prevents the everyday drunk/messed up kid from just rolling away with it. With this kind of lock, that can't happen and for the determined thief with tools etc there are many other bikes right nearby which will be much less work. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock
Andre Jute wrote:
BBB supplies good quality stuff. I have some of their tools. Same here. In locks you generally get what you pay for. In Europe, it is widely considered that the best bicycle lock, best being the one that will delay the thief the longest rather than defeating him altogether That's right. is the Abus 54 Granit X, which is a U-lock I agree U-locks are the best in the terms you describe however I like the cable locks for another reason namely those can quickly be made into a neat coil and put over the handlebar. Whereas U-lock, unless properly fastened on the frame, will slam back and forth like a pendulum and hit your knee which is unpleasant to say the least... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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BBB-41 Powerlock Bicycle Lock
On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:13:04 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/4/2017 6:48 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 15:31:49 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 12/4/2017 3:10 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: sms wrote: I was comparing a lock with the same diameter cable, name brand, this one with 5 keys instead of 3 keys. 5 keys? You US people sure loose a lot of keys But yes, it seems like a fair comparison. It would seem the BBB-41 is the unique identifier used internally as well when they refer to the product. How much do you pay for a 12 mm wire bike lock at AMuzi's, if it isn't a secret? It's just a retail $19.95 lock. 2-meter cable lock x 12mm is a commodity. Goodness! Do these locks have an actual 1/2" steel cable? (I had always taken that claim as advertising :-) technically 0.47 inches http://www.onguardlock.com/store/doberman-8031 (the 10mm model sells better) Out of curiosity (I'm too cheap to buy one :-) is that a 12mm steel cable? Or 12mm over the steel cable and the plastic casing? but then again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ8FZnMYkyY solid hardened steel U-lock, 9 seconds. I use a 4 inch angle grinder a great deal in metal working and that guy doesn't seem to be working very hard. Using a 1mm cut-off wheel that U lock should be cut even quicker. actual security cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dz0Za5-wOM But every time I see bicycle locks I remember a time I parked in front of a hardware store on a main street in Phuket, Thailand and inadvertently locked my keys in the pickup. I'm sort of peering in the window trying to figure out what to do and a well dressed Thai guy comes walking by. "What's the matter? Lock your keys in the car?" I tell him yes and he tells me to wait a minute, runs into the hardware shop, borrows a 18" flat steel ruler and comes back and pops the lock. I thank the guy profusely and we both go on about our business. With me speculating on how the Thai Guy got so skillful :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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