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Do bicycles and cars mix? (Sierra Club and Sprawl)
"Robert Cote" wrote in message ... In article , DTJ wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:39:57 -0800, "Baxter" wrote: You're is the only one making up the idea of Smart Growth being elitist. What does "you're is the only one" mean? Is that idiot talk for you're the only one, or elitist talk? Just a typing/parsing error on his part. I do the same thing*. What Leroy Baxter wants to say is that the implementation of Smart Growth is not one of exclusion nor exclusivism. Leroy is wrong by the very words of the leaders of the Smart Growth community and the FActs of SmUG development history. Duany targets upper class demographics, Calthorpe only pursues public projects and Knustler eschews subsidies of all types. [* The difference beig that Leroy seems to get the benefit of any doubt in a.p.u and m.t.u-t.] In his Atlantic Monthly article, Kunstler has a color picture of a commercial street with apartments over the stores. Those apartments have curtains in the windows...that is where the middle class would live. To the right, there is the big white house, which is where the rich will live. What about the poor? Well, they would be in the basement of the white house as servants. It is a totally elitist concept. More recently, Kunsler has enlarged on his eschatology. He states that in 10 years we Wal-Mart will be out of business due to the collapse of the economy, and everyone else will be back on 5 acres trying to grow enough food to survive. Of course, even bringing back all the marginal farmland in the USA and farming everyone's year, there would not be enough food grown to feed our current population. Of course, as a spoiled city boy he understands none of this. |
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Do bicycles and cars mix? (Sierra Club and Sprawl)
"Robert Coté" wrote in message ... In article , "Baxter" wrote: -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Robert Coté" wrote in message ... In article , "Baxter" wrote: "George Conklin" wrote in message k.net... "DTJ" wrote in message ... On 29 Dec 2003 21:33:00 -0800, (Enough Already) wrote: snip No, it shows the stupidity of people like you who argue that there are too many people, except you don't count. Smart Growth is elitist. The elites don't ever count themselves in the policies they advocate for the rest of us. You're is the only one making up the idea of Smart Growth being elitist. Calthope and Knustler and Duany agree with George. Be my guest - post some examples of how Calthope and Knustler and Duany think the ideal urban form is Georges 10-acre homesteads. No, George said, "Smart Growth is elitist." I'm in no position to follow your fantasies down the imaginary "10-acre homesteads" path. Do try to read what was written not what you wish were written just because even your limited intellect could handle it. Calthope and Knustler and Duany agree with George. Kunsler himself is pushing 5 acre lots where we can grow our own food after the collapse of the world market system. He is now into secular eschatology, but it is Kunsler who is pushing such solutions. As I have said many times, the best bet is for populations to continue to CONCENTRATE in urban areas on the two coasts, which is what will happen anyway. |
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Do bicycles and cars mix? (Sierra Club and Sprawl)
"George Conklin" wrote in message k.net...
It was only a matter of time before that old suicide reference popped up here. The irony of that cliche is that it shows a subconscious recognition that overpopulation is indeed a problem No, it merely asks you to stop being a hypocrite. In that case, everyone alive today is a hypocrite for being born into an overcrowded world. Anyone who exists and questions troubling aspects of their existence is a hypocrite. E.A. http://enough_already.tripod.com/ If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague. |
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Do bicycles and cars mix? (Sierra Club and Sprawl)
Robert Coté wrote in message ...
It was only a matter of time before that old suicide reference popped up here. The irony of that cliche is that it shows a subconscious recognition that overpopulation is indeed a problem. No. The inevitable reference to suicide is because the respondent recognizes the cognitive dissonance of the overpopulation crowd. It is old and common precisely because it succintly reveals the hypocrisy of the overpopulation crowd. That term "overpopulation CROWD" is a good one. The hypocrisy angle implies that anyone who seeks change is a hypocrite. Let's stick to the issue of why you don't perceive an overpopulation problem with so much scientific and instinctive evidence of one. Even if the environmental angle doesn't matter to you, people have a natural need for space that gets violated more each year. It explains a lot of rage on our roads. People get much calmer when given ample room. It also says a lot about the character of those who utter it. I'm surprised you did't preface it with the other ignorant platitude about fitting the entire world population in Texas. Since this is crossposted to autos, bikes and planning theres a better "platitude." Reproduced here for your reading pleasu If every road in the US were laid out in a grid 2 lanes in each direction and spaced a half mile apart then the entire US road system would cover a square 560 miles on a side. That at the truly idiotic spacing of only every half mile and only 2 lanes and no other roads whatsoever. Actually using a combination of freeways, principal, arterial and tertiary roads in current proportions the theoretical single urban area national model would be about 1/3 that size. That's got nothing to do with the actual layout that honeycombs the entire country and breaks the land into millions of pockets. Growth-addicts rely too much on what-ifs to form their reality. E.A. http://enough_already.tripod.com/ If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague. |
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Robert Coté wrote in message ...
So, there can be no such thing as sprawl and overpopulation because my posting style doesn't fit your parameters. I like your evidence-based approach to this. There is no evidence of either sprawl or overpopulation based on the evidence you've produced in these posts or on your website. It is precisely because I insist on evidence-based approaches that your post fails to advance your claims. You're sounding like those nuts who think the world could (and should) support a trillion people. Your pattern of responses tells me that no evidence will prove to you that the world could be overcrowded. Except maybe by animals, which get culled "for their own good" whenever they outgrow (by a few hundreds) the pockets of wilderness we've pushed them into. You must also be a big lover of crowds, noise and traffic jams, because those things will certainly get worse with more people in a finite space. E.A. http://enough_already.tripod.com/ If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague. |
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Do bicycles and cars mix? (Sierra Club and Sprawl)
"George Conklin" wrote in message k.net...
So, there can be no such thing as sprawl and overpopulation because my posting style doesn't fit your parameters. I like your evidence-based approach to this. Overpopulation is a literary term, not a scientific one. Then why do so many actual scientists warn us about it, as seen in this well publicized open letter to humanity? "The earth is finite. Its ability to absorb wastes and destructive effluent is finite. Its ability to provide food and energy is finite. Its ability to provide for growing numbers of people is finite. And we are fast approaching many of the earth's limits. Current economic practices which damage the environment, in both developed and underdeveloped nations, cannot be continued without the risk that vital global systems will be damaged beyond repair." (http://www.actionbioscience.org/envi...cientists.html) You must have some great insight that they lack, so please share it in detail. A few clipped sentences aren't enough. E.A. http://enough_already.tripod.com/ If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague. |
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------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Robert Coté" wrote in message ... In article , "Baxter" wrote: Be my guest - post some examples of how Calthope and Knustler and Duany think the ideal urban form is Georges 10-acre homesteads. No, George said, "Smart Growth is elitist." I'm in no position to follow your fantasies down the imaginary "10-acre homesteads" path. Do try to read what was written not what you wish were written just because even your limited intellect could handle it. Calthope and Knustler and Duany agree with George. I notice you're not able to provide any explanation in just how they agree. |
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Do bicycles and cars mix? (Sierra Club and Sprawl)
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------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Robert Cote" wrote in message ... In article , DTJ wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:39:57 -0800, "Baxter" wrote: You're is the only one making up the idea of Smart Growth being elitist. What does "you're is the only one" mean? Is that idiot talk for you're the only one, or elitist talk? Just a typing/parsing error on his part. I do the same thing*. What Leroy Baxter wants to say is that the implementation of Smart Growth is not one of exclusion nor exclusivism. Leroy is wrong by the very words of the leaders of the Smart Growth community and the FActs of SmUG development history. Duany targets upper class demographics, Calthorpe only pursues public projects and Knustler eschews subsidies of all types. More blithering from the master. |
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Do bicycles and cars mix? (Sierra Club and Sprawl)
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------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "George Conklin" wrote in message link.net... "Robert Cote" wrote in message ... In article , DTJ wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:39:57 -0800, "Baxter" wrote: You're is the only one making up the idea of Smart Growth being elitist. What does "you're is the only one" mean? Is that idiot talk for you're the only one, or elitist talk? Just a typing/parsing error on his part. I do the same thing*. What Leroy Baxter wants to say is that the implementation of Smart Growth is not one of exclusion nor exclusivism. Leroy is wrong by the very words of the leaders of the Smart Growth community and the FActs of SmUG development history. Duany targets upper class demographics, Calthorpe only pursues public projects and Knustler eschews subsidies of all types. [* The difference beig that Leroy seems to get the benefit of any doubt in a.p.u and m.t.u-t.] In his Atlantic Monthly article, Kunstler has a color picture of a commercial street with apartments over the stores. Those apartments have curtains in the windows...that is where the middle class would live. To the right, there is the big white house, which is where the rich will live. What about the poor? Well, they would be in the basement of the white house as servants. It is a totally elitist concept. Is that his (Kunstler's) explanation? Or your "analysis" of it? |
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