Hincapie, Hamilton ,Armstrong doping claims
Allegations by Hincapie that he witnessed Lance dope might be enough
to indict. But convicting Armstrong in a trial is altogether a different matter. I am uncertain that witnessing someone dope is enough to convict him in a court of law. The blood samples could be challenged on chain of evidence basis. |
Hincapie, Hamilton ,Armstrong doping claims
On May 21, 10:29*pm, Randall wrote:
Allegations by Hincapie that he witnessed Lance dope might be enough to indict. But convicting Armstrong in a trial is altogether a different matter. *I am uncertain that *witnessing someone dope is enough to convict him in a court of law. The blood samples could be challenged on chain of evidence basis. e.g. half a dozen or more teammates say they saw him dope. Half a dozen say they never saw him dope. LA's lawyers say, well, if he doped as much as they say, then he'd surely have tested positive (yeah, Anton, we know about the French tests on the old samples, different way they'll go after those), where are the positive tests? As you say, more is needed. And for the billionth time - everyone knows LA doped. Proving it, and linking it to criminal behavior is a completely different matter. |
Hincapie, Hamilton ,Armstrong doping claims
Doping will never be proven, but what about the money trail? What if
15 million really did get sent to Dr. Ferrari? Why would Tailwind Sports - hypothetically - do that? Why would Bruyneel sell 140 Treks a year and then send all that money to a weird infamous Italian "doctor" when they had "Coach" Carmichael and "Dr." Testa? Again, think about the financial aspects of this story: Bruyneel honestly believed he would start Bruyneel America, and Mesa Del Bruyneel - an entire utopian city (population 100,000) outside of Albuquerque New Mexico, where he would be the mayor, with a Bruyneel cycling college, funded by the state of New Mexico (one of the poorest states in the USA). I'm not making any of this stuff up. These people - puppets of Thomas Weisel really: Bruyneel, Armstrong, Ochowicz/Phonak/BMC, Gorski, Osipow, Petty, Johnson (CEO of USA cycling), etc. - were/ARE out of their minds. Most of this went down before the economy exploded. The amount of money created by the Weisel project, started in 1992, is absolutely staggering. Subaru/Montgomery/Motorola/USPS/Discovery/ Astana/Phonak/BMC/Livestrong/Radio Shack - it's all the same people involved. There is an argument to be made that the USPS investment (roughly 40 million) was well worth it...Americans don't care about this stuff, they want a hero, and Weisel and Bruyneel and Ferrari created one. VELOPORK.COM |
Hincapie, Hamilton ,Armstrong doping claims
The prosecutors are not going to find any records of money being sent
if Bruyneel had any brains. $15 million is a lot of money for drugs. The money was probably exchanged in person if such a transaction occurred at all. The bike sales were most likely to raise extra money for the team. Pro teams require a huge amount of money and any extra helps. On May 22, 2:57*am, Mike wrote: Doping will never be proven, but what about the money trail? What if 15 million really did get sent to Dr. Ferrari? Why would Tailwind Sports - hypothetically - do that? Why would Bruyneel sell 140 Treks a year and then send all that money to a weird infamous Italian "doctor" when they had "Coach" Carmichael and "Dr." Testa? Again, think about the financial aspects of this story: Bruyneel honestly believed he would start Bruyneel America, and Mesa Del Bruyneel - an entire utopian city (population 100,000) outside of Albuquerque New Mexico, where he would be the mayor, with a Bruyneel cycling college, funded by the state of New Mexico (one of the poorest states in the USA). I'm not making any of this stuff up. These people - puppets of Thomas Weisel really: Bruyneel, Armstrong, Ochowicz/Phonak/BMC, Gorski, Osipow, Petty, Johnson (CEO of USA cycling), etc. - were/ARE out of their minds. Most of this went down before the economy exploded. The amount of money created by the Weisel project, started in 1992, is absolutely staggering. Subaru/Montgomery/Motorola/USPS/Discovery/ Astana/Phonak/BMC/Livestrong/Radio Shack - it's all the same people involved. There is an argument to be made that the USPS investment (roughly 40 million) was well worth it...Americans don't care about this stuff, they want a hero, and Weisel and Bruyneel and Ferrari created one. VELOPORK.COM |
Hincapie, Hamilton ,Armstrong doping claims
On 5/22/2011 4:57 AM, Mike wrote:
Doping will never be proven, but what about the money trail? What if 15 million really did get sent to Dr. Ferrari? Why would Tailwind Sports - hypothetically - do that? Why would Bruyneel sell 140 Treks a year and then send all that money to a weird infamous Italian "doctor" when they had "Coach" Carmichael and "Dr." Testa? Dumbass, Seriously, you're a dumbass. Paying money to Dr Ferrari for a doping program is not an illegal act. Again I say it, I know of someone that makes a comfortable living in the US doing that. The feds took two cracks at him, they struck out twice. Now they leave him the hell alone. If there is a money trail it doesn't ****ing matter. F |
Hincapie, Hamilton ,Armstrong doping claims
On May 22, 4:57*am, Mike wrote:
Doping will never be proven, but what about the money trail? What if 15 million really did get sent to Dr. Ferrari? Why would Tailwind Sports - hypothetically - do that? Why would Bruyneel sell 140 Treks a year and then send all that money to a weird infamous Italian "doctor" when they had "Coach" Carmichael and "Dr." Testa? Again, think about the financial aspects of this story: Bruyneel honestly believed he would start Bruyneel America, and Mesa Del Bruyneel - an entire utopian city (population 100,000) outside of Albuquerque New Mexico, where he would be the mayor, with a Bruyneel cycling college, funded by the state of New Mexico (one of the poorest states in the USA). I'm not making any of this stuff up. These people - puppets of Thomas Weisel really: Bruyneel, Armstrong, Ochowicz/Phonak/BMC, Gorski, Osipow, Petty, Johnson (CEO of USA cycling), etc. - were/ARE out of their minds. Most of this went down before the economy exploded. The amount of money created by the Weisel project, started in 1992, is absolutely staggering. Subaru/Montgomery/Motorola/USPS/Discovery/ Astana/Phonak/BMC/Livestrong/Radio Shack - it's all the same people involved. There is an argument to be made that the USPS investment (roughly 40 million) was well worth it...Americans don't care about this stuff, they want a hero, and Weisel and Bruyneel and Ferrari created one. VELOPORK.COM There's a money trail. It's tough to move that much cash one way or another. Novitsky is one of the best at following money trails. |
Hincapie, Hamilton ,Armstrong doping claims
On May 22, 12:25*pm, Fred Flintstein
wrote: On 5/22/2011 4:57 AM, Mike wrote: Doping will never be proven, but what about the money trail? What if 15 million really did get sent to Dr. Ferrari? Why would Tailwind Sports - hypothetically - do that? Why would Bruyneel sell 140 Treks a year and then send all that money to a weird infamous Italian "doctor" when they had "Coach" Carmichael and "Dr." Testa? Dumbass, Seriously, you're a dumbass. Paying money to Dr Ferrari for a doping program is not an illegal act. Again I say it, I know of someone that makes a comfortable living in the US doing that. The feds took two cracks at him, they struck out twice. Now they leave him the hell alone. If there is a money trail it doesn't ****ing matter. F Want to bet you're totally ****ing wrong ? |
Hincapie, Hamilton ,Armstrong doping claims
On May 22, 2:57*am, Mike wrote:
Doping will never be proven, but what about the money trail? What if 15 million really did get sent to Dr. Ferrari? Why would Tailwind Sports - hypothetically - do that? Why would Bruyneel sell 140 Treks a year and then send all that money to a weird infamous Italian "doctor" when they had "Coach" Carmichael and "Dr." Testa? Again, think about the financial aspects of this story: Bruyneel honestly believed he would start Bruyneel America, and Mesa Del Bruyneel - an entire utopian city (population 100,000) outside of Albuquerque New Mexico, where he would be the mayor, with a Bruyneel cycling college, funded by the state of New Mexico (one of the poorest states in the USA). I'm not making any of this stuff up. These people - puppets of Thomas Weisel really: Bruyneel, Armstrong, Ochowicz/Phonak/BMC, Gorski, Osipow, Petty, Johnson (CEO of USA cycling), etc. - were/ARE out of their minds. Most of this went down before the economy exploded. The amount of money created by the Weisel project, started in 1992, is absolutely staggering. Subaru/Montgomery/Motorola/USPS/Discovery/ Astana/Phonak/BMC/Livestrong/Radio Shack - it's all the same people involved. There is an argument to be made that the USPS investment (roughly 40 million) was well worth it...Americans don't care about this stuff, they want a hero, and Weisel and Bruyneel and Ferrari created one. VELOPORK.COM Testa? I've never heard his name brought up before this wrt doping. Any links on this? BTW I agree with most everything else you posted. Thanks for posting. |
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