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On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:32:35 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/12/2021 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: BTW, I don't like anything bigger than about 38mm because they're sails, and I'm not riding TTs. That final phrase is the most important, IME. Why is a guy like Tom, in his seventh decade, buying ever lighter, ever more aero equipment? As he describes things, he's doing almost entirely solo rides. If he finishes his ride three minutes earlier, he gets no prize. And if he is faster than last year because he bought new aero wheels, he's not in better shape. Tome needs to stop trying to be the guy on the right https://www.flickr.com/photos/wallbl...n/photostream/ and accept being the guy on the left. How can you claim to be reading my postings and then say that I'm buying ever lighter bikes and components? Chinese aero wheels have a 400 gram penalty over Enve and Zipp wheels. I sold my 16 lb bike and my 17.5 lb bike and am keeping an aluminum 19.5 lb. bike. The Douglas Ti is a lb heavier than that. And it appears that the Airborne will come in about the same weight as the Eddy Merckx. I have stated on here many times that I could not tell the difference between a 16 lb. bike and a 20 lb. bike. Why do you insist on inventing your own reality to pin on me? |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:13:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 6/13/2021 10:30 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:05:20 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:09:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 12:39 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:45:03 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 6:09 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:32:35 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: BTW, I don't like anything bigger than about 38mm because they're sails, and I'm not riding TTs. That final phrase is the most important, IME. Why is a guy like Tom, in his seventh decade, buying ever lighter, ever more aero equipment? As he describes things, he's doing almost entirely solo rides. If he finishes his ride three minutes earlier, he gets no prize. And if he is faster than last year because he bought new aero wheels, he's not in better shape. Tome needs to stop trying to be the guy on the right https://www.flickr.com/photos/wallbl...n/photostream/ and accept being the guy on the left. Frank, when did I ever suggest to you how you should ride? What would enter your mind that it was your business to tell me how to ride? Tom, if you don't want to discuss how you should ride, why do you post here endlessly discussing your rides - how many miles, how many feet you climbed, whether you felt faster or slower, whether you had enough sleep, who passed you and who you passed, etc.? Do you not notice that nobody else does that more than rarely? Surely you don't do it because you think we're really curious! So maybe it's a subconscious desire for good advice. Here it is again: Act your age. Quit trying to buy youth and fitness. Slow down, look around, appreciate the scenery. "There is more to life than increasing its speed." - Mahatma Gandhi -- - Frank Krygowski If I act my age I would be riding an E bike paying no attention and bother every faster rider half of the time. No thanks. I'm way older than you, Lou. I don't ride an e-bike. The friends I ride with also don't use them. We ride at the pace we ride. And if someone is slower on a particular day, we wait up. I do know one guy who bought an e-bike so he could keep up with the fast riders, but I think that's a little weird. Those fast guys are doing hours of real training to enjoy some friendly competition and to push themselves. (Been there, done that. It's fun.) Showing up with a big pot belly and an electric motor to ride "A" rides seems somehow wrong. When you get right down to it a bicycle with a motor on it is a "motorcycle" and if one is going to ride a motorcycle why be satisfied with some tiny little weak kneed thing that will just keep up with the rest. Why not get a real one and lead the pack? And before someone announces that an e-bike has pedals I might add, so did the 1905 Harley-Davidson. The only reason is regulation -- one is allowed to ride while paying less tax, or at a younger age, or on paths closed to other motor traffice, or ... Otherwise the natural evolutionary process of a motor-assisted bicycle is toward stronger motors and heavier vehicles, until the pedals are either dropped or become ridiculous. I don't know about the regulations in the various U.S. states but in Singapore e-bikes are quite stringently regulated. Maximum speed is specified 25 kmh, max power 250 watts, must have pedals, must be pedaled to start, no "throttle", must have both vehicle registration and a "type approved" certificate. Penalties for failure to comply are First-time offenders can be subject to a fine of $2,000 and/or imprisonment of up to three months. It is also an offence to use non-compliant e-scooters on public paths and first-time offenders may face a fine $10,000 and/or imprisonment of up to six months. But of course that is Singapore where it is believed the strict laws and stringent enforcement is the answer to the "crime problem". In the U.S., it varies state by state, but most are pretty similar: https://www.wired.com/story/guide-to-ebike-classes/ As I understand it, 750 Watts is easy to buy. And I've read that it's not hard to buy gizmos that will remove all restrictions in software, to hot rod a legal bike. I'm sure we can look forward to young guys hitting 40 mph on multi-use trails. Idiots abound. The Stealth B-52 is currently advertised to have a top speed of 80 Km/h ( 49.7 Mph) https://stealthelectricbikes.com/stealth-b-52/ And it only weighs 51Kg (12 lbs). -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:19:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:13:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 10:30 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:05:20 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:09:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 12:39 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:45:03 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 6:09 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:32:35 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: BTW, I don't like anything bigger than about 38mm because they're sails, and I'm not riding TTs. That final phrase is the most important, IME. Why is a guy like Tom, in his seventh decade, buying ever lighter, ever more aero equipment? As he describes things, he's doing almost entirely solo rides. If he finishes his ride three minutes earlier, he gets no prize. And if he is faster than last year because he bought new aero wheels, he's not in better shape. Tome needs to stop trying to be the guy on the right https://www.flickr.com/photos/wallbl...n/photostream/ and accept being the guy on the left. Frank, when did I ever suggest to you how you should ride? What would enter your mind that it was your business to tell me how to ride? Tom, if you don't want to discuss how you should ride, why do you post here endlessly discussing your rides - how many miles, how many feet you climbed, whether you felt faster or slower, whether you had enough sleep, who passed you and who you passed, etc.? Do you not notice that nobody else does that more than rarely? Surely you don't do it because you think we're really curious! So maybe it's a subconscious desire for good advice. Here it is again: Act your age. Quit trying to buy youth and fitness. Slow down, look around, appreciate the scenery. "There is more to life than increasing its speed." - Mahatma Gandhi -- - Frank Krygowski If I act my age I would be riding an E bike paying no attention and bother every faster rider half of the time. No thanks. I'm way older than you, Lou. I don't ride an e-bike. The friends I ride with also don't use them. We ride at the pace we ride. And if someone is slower on a particular day, we wait up. I do know one guy who bought an e-bike so he could keep up with the fast riders, but I think that's a little weird. Those fast guys are doing hours of real training to enjoy some friendly competition and to push themselves. (Been there, done that. It's fun.) Showing up with a big pot belly and an electric motor to ride "A" rides seems somehow wrong. When you get right down to it a bicycle with a motor on it is a "motorcycle" and if one is going to ride a motorcycle why be satisfied with some tiny little weak kneed thing that will just keep up with the rest. Why not get a real one and lead the pack? And before someone announces that an e-bike has pedals I might add, so did the 1905 Harley-Davidson. The only reason is regulation -- one is allowed to ride while paying less tax, or at a younger age, or on paths closed to other motor traffice, or ... Otherwise the natural evolutionary process of a motor-assisted bicycle is toward stronger motors and heavier vehicles, until the pedals are either dropped or become ridiculous. I don't know about the regulations in the various U.S. states but in Singapore e-bikes are quite stringently regulated. Maximum speed is specified 25 kmh, max power 250 watts, must have pedals, must be pedaled to start, no "throttle", must have both vehicle registration and a "type approved" certificate. Penalties for failure to comply are First-time offenders can be subject to a fine of $2,000 and/or imprisonment of up to three months. It is also an offence to use non-compliant e-scooters on public paths and first-time offenders may face a fine $10,000 and/or imprisonment of up to six months. But of course that is Singapore where it is believed the strict laws and stringent enforcement is the answer to the "crime problem". In the U.S., it varies state by state, but most are pretty similar: https://www.wired.com/story/guide-to-ebike-classes/ As I understand it, 750 Watts is easy to buy. And I've read that it's not hard to buy gizmos that will remove all restrictions in software, to hot rod a legal bike. I'm sure we can look forward to young guys hitting 40 mph on multi-use trails. Idiots abound. The Stealth B-52 is currently advertised to have a top speed of 80 Km/h ( 49.7 Mph) https://stealthelectricbikes.com/stealth-b-52/ And it only weighs 51Kg (12 lbs). -- Cheers, John B. Damn. You left a "1" off your kilo/pound conversion -- 112lbs versus 12lbs. At 12 pounds, I was going to order one. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 6/14/2021 6:27 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:19:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:13:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 10:30 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:05:20 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:09:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 12:39 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:45:03 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 6:09 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:32:35 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: BTW, I don't like anything bigger than about 38mm because they're sails, and I'm not riding TTs. That final phrase is the most important, IME. Why is a guy like Tom, in his seventh decade, buying ever lighter, ever more aero equipment? As he describes things, he's doing almost entirely solo rides. If he finishes his ride three minutes earlier, he gets no prize. And if he is faster than last year because he bought new aero wheels, he's not in better shape. Tome needs to stop trying to be the guy on the right https://www.flickr.com/photos/wallbl...n/photostream/ and accept being the guy on the left. Frank, when did I ever suggest to you how you should ride? What would enter your mind that it was your business to tell me how to ride? Tom, if you don't want to discuss how you should ride, why do you post here endlessly discussing your rides - how many miles, how many feet you climbed, whether you felt faster or slower, whether you had enough sleep, who passed you and who you passed, etc.? Do you not notice that nobody else does that more than rarely? Surely you don't do it because you think we're really curious! So maybe it's a subconscious desire for good advice. Here it is again: Act your age. Quit trying to buy youth and fitness. Slow down, look around, appreciate the scenery. "There is more to life than increasing its speed." - Mahatma Gandhi -- - Frank Krygowski If I act my age I would be riding an E bike paying no attention and bother every faster rider half of the time. No thanks. I'm way older than you, Lou. I don't ride an e-bike. The friends I ride with also don't use them. We ride at the pace we ride. And if someone is slower on a particular day, we wait up. I do know one guy who bought an e-bike so he could keep up with the fast riders, but I think that's a little weird. Those fast guys are doing hours of real training to enjoy some friendly competition and to push themselves. (Been there, done that. It's fun.) Showing up with a big pot belly and an electric motor to ride "A" rides seems somehow wrong. When you get right down to it a bicycle with a motor on it is a "motorcycle" and if one is going to ride a motorcycle why be satisfied with some tiny little weak kneed thing that will just keep up with the rest. Why not get a real one and lead the pack? And before someone announces that an e-bike has pedals I might add, so did the 1905 Harley-Davidson. The only reason is regulation -- one is allowed to ride while paying less tax, or at a younger age, or on paths closed to other motor traffice, or ... Otherwise the natural evolutionary process of a motor-assisted bicycle is toward stronger motors and heavier vehicles, until the pedals are either dropped or become ridiculous. I don't know about the regulations in the various U.S. states but in Singapore e-bikes are quite stringently regulated. Maximum speed is specified 25 kmh, max power 250 watts, must have pedals, must be pedaled to start, no "throttle", must have both vehicle registration and a "type approved" certificate. Penalties for failure to comply are First-time offenders can be subject to a fine of $2,000 and/or imprisonment of up to three months. It is also an offence to use non-compliant e-scooters on public paths and first-time offenders may face a fine $10,000 and/or imprisonment of up to six months. But of course that is Singapore where it is believed the strict laws and stringent enforcement is the answer to the "crime problem". In the U.S., it varies state by state, but most are pretty similar: https://www.wired.com/story/guide-to-ebike-classes/ As I understand it, 750 Watts is easy to buy. And I've read that it's not hard to buy gizmos that will remove all restrictions in software, to hot rod a legal bike. I'm sure we can look forward to young guys hitting 40 mph on multi-use trails. Idiots abound. The Stealth B-52 is currently advertised to have a top speed of 80 Km/h ( 49.7 Mph) https://stealthelectricbikes.com/stealth-b-52/ And it only weighs 51Kg (12 lbs). -- Cheers, John B. Damn. You left a "1" off your kilo/pound conversion -- 112lbs versus 12lbs. At 12 pounds, I was going to order one. -- Jay Beattie. about 10% more mass than my girlfriend and probably not as entertaining. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:27:01 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:19:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:13:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 10:30 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:05:20 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:09:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 12:39 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:45:03 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 6:09 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:32:35 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: BTW, I don't like anything bigger than about 38mm because they're sails, and I'm not riding TTs. That final phrase is the most important, IME. Why is a guy like Tom, in his seventh decade, buying ever lighter, ever more aero equipment? As he describes things, he's doing almost entirely solo rides. If he finishes his ride three minutes earlier, he gets no prize. And if he is faster than last year because he bought new aero wheels, he's not in better shape. Tome needs to stop trying to be the guy on the right https://www.flickr.com/photos/wallbl...n/photostream/ and accept being the guy on the left. Frank, when did I ever suggest to you how you should ride? What would enter your mind that it was your business to tell me how to ride? Tom, if you don't want to discuss how you should ride, why do you post here endlessly discussing your rides - how many miles, how many feet you climbed, whether you felt faster or slower, whether you had enough sleep, who passed you and who you passed, etc.? Do you not notice that nobody else does that more than rarely? Surely you don't do it because you think we're really curious! So maybe it's a subconscious desire for good advice. Here it is again: Act your age. Quit trying to buy youth and fitness. Slow down, look around, appreciate the scenery. "There is more to life than increasing its speed." - Mahatma Gandhi -- - Frank Krygowski If I act my age I would be riding an E bike paying no attention and bother every faster rider half of the time. No thanks. I'm way older than you, Lou. I don't ride an e-bike. The friends I ride with also don't use them. We ride at the pace we ride. And if someone is slower on a particular day, we wait up. I do know one guy who bought an e-bike so he could keep up with the fast riders, but I think that's a little weird. Those fast guys are doing hours of real training to enjoy some friendly competition and to push themselves. (Been there, done that. It's fun.) Showing up with a big pot belly and an electric motor to ride "A" rides seems somehow wrong. When you get right down to it a bicycle with a motor on it is a "motorcycle" and if one is going to ride a motorcycle why be satisfied with some tiny little weak kneed thing that will just keep up with the rest. Why not get a real one and lead the pack? And before someone announces that an e-bike has pedals I might add, so did the 1905 Harley-Davidson. The only reason is regulation -- one is allowed to ride while paying less tax, or at a younger age, or on paths closed to other motor traffice, or ... Otherwise the natural evolutionary process of a motor-assisted bicycle is toward stronger motors and heavier vehicles, until the pedals are either dropped or become ridiculous. I don't know about the regulations in the various U.S. states but in Singapore e-bikes are quite stringently regulated. Maximum speed is specified 25 kmh, max power 250 watts, must have pedals, must be pedaled to start, no "throttle", must have both vehicle registration and a "type approved" certificate. Penalties for failure to comply are First-time offenders can be subject to a fine of $2,000 and/or imprisonment of up to three months. It is also an offence to use non-compliant e-scooters on public paths and first-time offenders may face a fine $10,000 and/or imprisonment of up to six months. But of course that is Singapore where it is believed the strict laws and stringent enforcement is the answer to the "crime problem". In the U.S., it varies state by state, but most are pretty similar: https://www.wired.com/story/guide-to-ebike-classes/ As I understand it, 750 Watts is easy to buy. And I've read that it's not hard to buy gizmos that will remove all restrictions in software, to hot rod a legal bike. I'm sure we can look forward to young guys hitting 40 mph on multi-use trails. Idiots abound. The Stealth B-52 is currently advertised to have a top speed of 80 Km/h ( 49.7 Mph) https://stealthelectricbikes.com/stealth-b-52/ And it only weighs 51Kg (12 lbs). -- Cheers, John B. Damn. You left a "1" off your kilo/pound conversion -- 112lbs versus 12lbs. At 12 pounds, I was going to order one. -- Jay Beattie. Yes and even worse I had used a conversion application to convert Kg - Lb, and then copied it to my post so apparently I can't even copy correctly this morning :-( -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 19:00:30 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/14/2021 6:27 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:19:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:13:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 10:30 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:05:20 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:09:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 12:39 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:45:03 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 6:09 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:32:35 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: BTW, I don't like anything bigger than about 38mm because they're sails, and I'm not riding TTs. That final phrase is the most important, IME. Why is a guy like Tom, in his seventh decade, buying ever lighter, ever more aero equipment? As he describes things, he's doing almost entirely solo rides. If he finishes his ride three minutes earlier, he gets no prize. And if he is faster than last year because he bought new aero wheels, he's not in better shape. Tome needs to stop trying to be the guy on the right https://www.flickr.com/photos/wallbl...n/photostream/ and accept being the guy on the left. Frank, when did I ever suggest to you how you should ride? What would enter your mind that it was your business to tell me how to ride? Tom, if you don't want to discuss how you should ride, why do you post here endlessly discussing your rides - how many miles, how many feet you climbed, whether you felt faster or slower, whether you had enough sleep, who passed you and who you passed, etc.? Do you not notice that nobody else does that more than rarely? Surely you don't do it because you think we're really curious! So maybe it's a subconscious desire for good advice. Here it is again: Act your age. Quit trying to buy youth and fitness. Slow down, look around, appreciate the scenery. "There is more to life than increasing its speed." - Mahatma Gandhi -- - Frank Krygowski If I act my age I would be riding an E bike paying no attention and bother every faster rider half of the time. No thanks. I'm way older than you, Lou. I don't ride an e-bike. The friends I ride with also don't use them. We ride at the pace we ride. And if someone is slower on a particular day, we wait up. I do know one guy who bought an e-bike so he could keep up with the fast riders, but I think that's a little weird. Those fast guys are doing hours of real training to enjoy some friendly competition and to push themselves. (Been there, done that. It's fun.) Showing up with a big pot belly and an electric motor to ride "A" rides seems somehow wrong. When you get right down to it a bicycle with a motor on it is a "motorcycle" and if one is going to ride a motorcycle why be satisfied with some tiny little weak kneed thing that will just keep up with the rest. Why not get a real one and lead the pack? And before someone announces that an e-bike has pedals I might add, so did the 1905 Harley-Davidson. The only reason is regulation -- one is allowed to ride while paying less tax, or at a younger age, or on paths closed to other motor traffice, or ... Otherwise the natural evolutionary process of a motor-assisted bicycle is toward stronger motors and heavier vehicles, until the pedals are either dropped or become ridiculous. I don't know about the regulations in the various U.S. states but in Singapore e-bikes are quite stringently regulated. Maximum speed is specified 25 kmh, max power 250 watts, must have pedals, must be pedaled to start, no "throttle", must have both vehicle registration and a "type approved" certificate. Penalties for failure to comply are First-time offenders can be subject to a fine of $2,000 and/or imprisonment of up to three months. It is also an offence to use non-compliant e-scooters on public paths and first-time offenders may face a fine $10,000 and/or imprisonment of up to six months. But of course that is Singapore where it is believed the strict laws and stringent enforcement is the answer to the "crime problem". In the U.S., it varies state by state, but most are pretty similar: https://www.wired.com/story/guide-to-ebike-classes/ As I understand it, 750 Watts is easy to buy. And I've read that it's not hard to buy gizmos that will remove all restrictions in software, to hot rod a legal bike. I'm sure we can look forward to young guys hitting 40 mph on multi-use trails. Idiots abound. The Stealth B-52 is currently advertised to have a top speed of 80 Km/h ( 49.7 Mph) https://stealthelectricbikes.com/stealth-b-52/ And it only weighs 51Kg (12 lbs). -- Cheers, John B. Damn. You left a "1" off your kilo/pound conversion -- 112lbs versus 12lbs. At 12 pounds, I was going to order one. -- Jay Beattie. about 10% more mass than my girlfriend and probably not as entertaining. Girlfriend? 12 Lbs? 10% more mass? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 6/14/2021 7:10 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 19:00:30 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 6/14/2021 6:27 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:19:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:13:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 10:30 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:05:20 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:09:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 12:39 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:45:03 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 6:09 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:32:35 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: BTW, I don't like anything bigger than about 38mm because they're sails, and I'm not riding TTs. That final phrase is the most important, IME. Why is a guy like Tom, in his seventh decade, buying ever lighter, ever more aero equipment? As he describes things, he's doing almost entirely solo rides. If he finishes his ride three minutes earlier, he gets no prize. And if he is faster than last year because he bought new aero wheels, he's not in better shape. Tome needs to stop trying to be the guy on the right https://www.flickr.com/photos/wallbl...n/photostream/ and accept being the guy on the left. Frank, when did I ever suggest to you how you should ride? What would enter your mind that it was your business to tell me how to ride? Tom, if you don't want to discuss how you should ride, why do you post here endlessly discussing your rides - how many miles, how many feet you climbed, whether you felt faster or slower, whether you had enough sleep, who passed you and who you passed, etc.? Do you not notice that nobody else does that more than rarely? Surely you don't do it because you think we're really curious! So maybe it's a subconscious desire for good advice. Here it is again: Act your age. Quit trying to buy youth and fitness. Slow down, look around, appreciate the scenery. "There is more to life than increasing its speed." - Mahatma Gandhi -- - Frank Krygowski If I act my age I would be riding an E bike paying no attention and bother every faster rider half of the time. No thanks. I'm way older than you, Lou. I don't ride an e-bike. The friends I ride with also don't use them. We ride at the pace we ride. And if someone is slower on a particular day, we wait up. I do know one guy who bought an e-bike so he could keep up with the fast riders, but I think that's a little weird. Those fast guys are doing hours of real training to enjoy some friendly competition and to push themselves. (Been there, done that. It's fun.) Showing up with a big pot belly and an electric motor to ride "A" rides seems somehow wrong. When you get right down to it a bicycle with a motor on it is a "motorcycle" and if one is going to ride a motorcycle why be satisfied with some tiny little weak kneed thing that will just keep up with the rest. Why not get a real one and lead the pack? And before someone announces that an e-bike has pedals I might add, so did the 1905 Harley-Davidson. The only reason is regulation -- one is allowed to ride while paying less tax, or at a younger age, or on paths closed to other motor traffice, or ... Otherwise the natural evolutionary process of a motor-assisted bicycle is toward stronger motors and heavier vehicles, until the pedals are either dropped or become ridiculous. I don't know about the regulations in the various U.S. states but in Singapore e-bikes are quite stringently regulated. Maximum speed is specified 25 kmh, max power 250 watts, must have pedals, must be pedaled to start, no "throttle", must have both vehicle registration and a "type approved" certificate. Penalties for failure to comply are First-time offenders can be subject to a fine of $2,000 and/or imprisonment of up to three months. It is also an offence to use non-compliant e-scooters on public paths and first-time offenders may face a fine $10,000 and/or imprisonment of up to six months. But of course that is Singapore where it is believed the strict laws and stringent enforcement is the answer to the "crime problem". In the U.S., it varies state by state, but most are pretty similar: https://www.wired.com/story/guide-to-ebike-classes/ As I understand it, 750 Watts is easy to buy. And I've read that it's not hard to buy gizmos that will remove all restrictions in software, to hot rod a legal bike. I'm sure we can look forward to young guys hitting 40 mph on multi-use trails. Idiots abound. The Stealth B-52 is currently advertised to have a top speed of 80 Km/h ( 49.7 Mph) https://stealthelectricbikes.com/stealth-b-52/ And it only weighs 51Kg (12 lbs). -- Cheers, John B. Damn. You left a "1" off your kilo/pound conversion -- 112lbs versus 12lbs. At 12 pounds, I was going to order one. -- Jay Beattie. about 10% more mass than my girlfriend and probably not as entertaining. Girlfriend? 12 Lbs? 10% more mass? 95lb soaking wet. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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AMuzi wrote:
On 6/14/2021 7:10 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 19:00:30 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 6/14/2021 6:27 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:19:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:13:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 10:30 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:05:20 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:09:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2021 12:39 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:45:03 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 6:09 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:32:35 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/12/2021 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: BTW, I don't like anything bigger than about 38mm because they're sails, and I'm not riding TTs. That final phrase is the most important, IME. Why is a guy like Tom, in his seventh decade, buying ever lighter, ever more aero equipment? As he describes things, he's doing almost entirely solo rides. If he finishes his ride three minutes earlier, he gets no prize. And if he is faster than last year because he bought new aero wheels, he's not in better shape. Tome needs to stop trying to be the guy on the right https://www.flickr.com/photos/wallbl...n/photostream/ and accept being the guy on the left. Frank, when did I ever suggest to you how you should ride? What would enter your mind that it was your business to tell me how to ride? Tom, if you don't want to discuss how you should ride, why do you post here endlessly discussing your rides - how many miles, how many feet you climbed, whether you felt faster or slower, whether you had enough sleep, who passed you and who you passed, etc.? Do you not notice that nobody else does that more than rarely? Surely you don't do it because you think we're really curious! So maybe it's a subconscious desire for good advice. Here it is again: Act your age. Quit trying to buy youth and fitness. Slow down, look around, appreciate the scenery. "There is more to life than increasing its speed." - Mahatma Gandhi -- - Frank Krygowski If I act my age I would be riding an E bike paying no attention and bother every faster rider half of the time. No thanks. I'm way older than you, Lou. I don't ride an e-bike. The friends I ride with also don't use them. We ride at the pace we ride. And if someone is slower on a particular day, we wait up. I do know one guy who bought an e-bike so he could keep up with the fast riders, but I think that's a little weird. Those fast guys are doing hours of real training to enjoy some friendly competition and to push themselves. (Been there, done that. It's fun.) Showing up with a big pot belly and an electric motor to ride "A" rides seems somehow wrong. When you get right down to it a bicycle with a motor on it is a "motorcycle" and if one is going to ride a motorcycle why be satisfied with some tiny little weak kneed thing that will just keep up with the rest. Why not get a real one and lead the pack? And before someone announces that an e-bike has pedals I might add, so did the 1905 Harley-Davidson. The only reason is regulation -- one is allowed to ride while paying less tax, or at a younger age, or on paths closed to other motor traffice, or ... Otherwise the natural evolutionary process of a motor-assisted bicycle is toward stronger motors and heavier vehicles, until the pedals are either dropped or become ridiculous. I don't know about the regulations in the various U.S. states but in Singapore e-bikes are quite stringently regulated. Maximum speed is specified 25 kmh, max power 250 watts, must have pedals, must be pedaled to start, no "throttle", must have both vehicle registration and a "type approved" certificate. Penalties for failure to comply are First-time offenders can be subject to a fine of $2,000 and/or imprisonment of up to three months. It is also an offence to use non-compliant e-scooters on public paths and first-time offenders may face a fine $10,000 and/or imprisonment of up to six months. But of course that is Singapore where it is believed the strict laws and stringent enforcement is the answer to the "crime problem". In the U.S., it varies state by state, but most are pretty similar: https://www.wired.com/story/guide-to-ebike-classes/ As I understand it, 750 Watts is easy to buy. And I've read that it's not hard to buy gizmos that will remove all restrictions in software, to hot rod a legal bike. I'm sure we can look forward to young guys hitting 40 mph on multi-use trails. Idiots abound. The Stealth B-52 is currently advertised to have a top speed of 80 Km/h ( 49.7 Mph) https://stealthelectricbikes.com/stealth-b-52/ And it only weighs 51Kg (12 lbs). -- Cheers, John B. Damn. You left a "1" off your kilo/pound conversion -- 112lbs versus 12lbs. At 12 pounds, I was going to order one. -- Jay Beattie. about 10% more mass than my girlfriend and probably not as entertaining. Girlfriend? 12 Lbs? 10% more mass? 95lb soaking wet. Is that how you typically weigh her? |
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On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 8:52:30 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
AMuzi wrote: 95lb soaking wet. Is that how you typically weigh her? OK, now that was funny. |
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