off topic - sad statement about americans?

hold my beer and watch this... wrote:
I don't know, but it seems to me like ultra-morbid obesity seems to be an
American phenomena.

Goes hand in hand with racing Masters.

Bob Schwartz

I would agree that many are at fault, including the victim. However, these
food producers are particularly at fault in that they have engaged
biochemists to engineer foods that are addictive. The chemistry is based on
evolutionary "taste", in that humans enjoy high energy survival nutrients
such as (as per Mary) sugar, oil (fat), salt.
Tobacco companies are similarly innovative.
A similar argument could be engaged in regards to the drug war. Is the
problem supply or demand? Liberals attack the demand, conservatives attack
the supply.
Historically, it's always been easier to attack supply, than it is to attack
demand. Reducing demand requires creativity, and it's hard to prove (and
fund related programs) a negative. Did our action truly prevent the
obesity? Hard to say. However, if we cut the supply of harmful food by
half (thus doubling the price), we would see an effect. Sadly, addicts
would find a cheaper source, more likely.
Funny, this also could be applied to the fossil fuel debate...

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"hold my beer and watch this..." wrote in message
...

"Mary" wrote in message

True - Sugar, Oil, and Salt are very cheap and have been poured into
foods
in the USA to increase profit margins.
Almost anything you pick up in a store is over 30% in one of these
catagories.
Corperate Maggots.


Puh-leeze!

Spare us all your low-brow anti-corporate garbage spew. 'Corporate
Maggots'
don't force somebody to consciously eat themselves to 600 pounds. I'm
sorry, but that woman and the enablers who are continuing to bring food to
her are 100% at fault here.

I'm just wondering if the phenomena of super-morbid obesity exits in
Europe,
that's all.

"Mary" wrote in message
...

"Andre" wrote in message
.rogers.com...
Only in America (and Canada, to a somewhat equal extent) is unhealthy
food
so unbelievably cheap. It's all based on volume \ low profit margin per
unit. The food involved (probably high glycemic index stuff) is cheap
to
produce due to the vast sugar-producing capacity of the US great plains
and
Canadian prairies. Comparitively, healthy, lower glycemic index items
are
more expensive to produce \ sell, and so are produced \ consumed less.
Also, the level of automation \ service on this continent is such that a
person could actually survive without ever leaving the house. In fact,
I
believe this was the challenge of a recent ill-conceived reality tv
show,
where the contestants were issued a credit card, internet access, and
phone,
whilst confined to a house. They had to survive, and apparently had
little
difficulty...


True - Sugar, Oil, and Salt are very cheap and have been poured into foods
in the USA to increase profit margins.

Substitute "Sugar" with "High-fructose Corn Syrup." Sugar is too expensive.

Almost anything you pick up in a store is over 30% in one of these
catagories.

I don't know if I'd go that far.

Corperate Maggots.

Damn them!

Dave

wrote in message
...
Ewoud Dronkert writes:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:29:31 -0500, hold my wrote:
http://www.wftv.com/news/3643877/detail.html
Any of you more Euro-knowledgeable mofos care to comment?

Holy ****ing ****.

If she was stuck to the couch, I wonder where she got the food from to
maintain her weight?

But 600 pounds ain't **** man. Get a load of this ******.

There's a disgusting piccy of him in today's ``24 Hours'' (a local Free
NewsSheet) but I could only find the original story on the web.

http://www.keloland.com/News/EyeonKE...fm?Id=22,33881

This one cracked me up when I saw it in the news. This guy had three relapes
after losing hundreds of pounds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/363626.stm


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hold my beer and watch this... wrote:
"Mary" wrote in message

True - Sugar, Oil, and Salt are very cheap and have been poured into foods
in the USA to increase profit margins.
Almost anything you pick up in a store is over 30% in one of these
catagories.
Corperate Maggots.



Puh-leeze!

Spare us all your low-brow anti-corporate garbage spew. 'Corporate Maggots'
don't force somebody to consciously eat themselves to 600 pounds. I'm
sorry, but that woman and the enablers who are continuing to bring food to
her are 100% at fault here.


The "individuality" argument against insights deduced by statistical
observations sounds good at first, but if you think about it, it doesn't
change the fact that there are correlations.
Needless to say, statistical correlation also doesn't lessen the
individual responsibility.

Wait, let me see if I have this right. You think that there are nefarious
biochemists out there who have engineered foods that are so addictive so you
don't have the choice not to eat them. Did I get that right?

Wow, you're a whack job, man...


"Andre" wrote in message
.rogers.com...
I would agree that many are at fault, including the victim. However,
these
food producers are particularly at fault in that they have engaged
biochemists to engineer foods that are addictive. The chemistry is based
on
evolutionary "taste", in that humans enjoy high energy survival nutrients
such as (as per Mary) sugar, oil (fat), salt.
Tobacco companies are similarly innovative.
A similar argument could be engaged in regards to the drug war. Is the
problem supply or demand? Liberals attack the demand, conservatives
attack
the supply.
Historically, it's always been easier to attack supply, than it is to
attack
demand. Reducing demand requires creativity, and it's hard to prove (and
fund related programs) a negative. Did our action truly prevent the
obesity? Hard to say. However, if we cut the supply of harmful food by
half (thus doubling the price), we would see an effect. Sadly, addicts
would find a cheaper source, more likely.
Funny, this also could be applied to the fossil fuel debate...

--
--------------------------
Andre Charlebois
AGC-PC support
http://agc-pc.tripod.com
BPE, MCSE4.0, CNA, A+

"hold my beer and watch this..." wrote in message
...

"Mary" wrote in message

True - Sugar, Oil, and Salt are very cheap and have been poured into
foods
in the USA to increase profit margins.
Almost anything you pick up in a store is over 30% in one of these
catagories.
Corperate Maggots.


Puh-leeze!

Spare us all your low-brow anti-corporate garbage spew. 'Corporate
Maggots'
don't force somebody to consciously eat themselves to 600 pounds. I'm
sorry, but that woman and the enablers who are continuing to bring food
to
her are 100% at fault here.

I'm just wondering if the phenomena of super-morbid obesity exits in
Europe,
that's all.

Not to feed the 'Evil Corporations Made Me Do it' mindset, but the
replacement of sugar with high-fructose corn syrup in manufactured foods has
been one of the many unintended consequences of gummint farm subsidies.
Corn subsidies have allowed farmers to continue to be able to make money
growing corn no one really needs, so, since the corn is basically free, its
cheaper to make and use high fructose corn syrup for food manufacturing than
it is to buy sugar (and the sugar manufacturers don't represent a big or
well-connected constituency).

Welfare farming, man. Its great ****.


"Pistof" wrote in message
. ..

"Mary" wrote in message
...

"Andre" wrote in message
.rogers.com...
Only in America (and Canada, to a somewhat equal extent) is unhealthy
food
so unbelievably cheap. It's all based on volume \ low profit margin
per
unit. The food involved (probably high glycemic index stuff) is cheap
to
produce due to the vast sugar-producing capacity of the US great
plains
and
Canadian prairies. Comparitively, healthy, lower glycemic index items
are
more expensive to produce \ sell, and so are produced \ consumed less.
Also, the level of automation \ service on this continent is such that
a
person could actually survive without ever leaving the house. In
fact,
I
believe this was the challenge of a recent ill-conceived reality tv
show,
where the contestants were issued a credit card, internet access, and
phone,
whilst confined to a house. They had to survive, and apparently had
little
difficulty...


True - Sugar, Oil, and Salt are very cheap and have been poured into
foods
in the USA to increase profit margins.

Substitute "Sugar" with "High-fructose Corn Syrup." Sugar is too
expensive.

Almost anything you pick up in a store is over 30% in one of these
catagories.

I don't know if I'd go that far.

Corperate Maggots.

Damn them!

Dave

"Andre" wrote in
.rogers.com:

A similar argument could be engaged in regards to the drug war. Is
the problem supply or demand? Liberals attack the demand,
conservatives attack the supply.


I don't think that's right. Concervatives (at least in the U.S.) have
attacked both the supply (war on drugs - which, btw, liberals have
continued i.e. Bill Clinton) AND the demand (the Just Say No program that
Nancy Reagan was responsible for - may not have been super creative but it
*was* an attack against the demand). The liberals, as far as I know, just
want to legalize it (at least pot) so they can tax it and because they feel
that people who smoke pot are not criminals.

On the other hand, cigarettes could be considered a drug and both
concervatives and liberals have attacked both the supply (lawsuits against
tobacco companies) and the demand (lots of education about the dangers of
smoking not to mention the warning labels on cigarettes).

Like most problems, attacking both the supply and the demand is probably
the correct solutions (assuming legalizing them is not a solution).

wrote:
Ewoud Dronkert writes:


On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:29:31 -0500, hold my wrote:

http://www.wftv.com/news/3643877/detail.html
Any of you more Euro-knowledgeable mofos care to comment?

Holy ****ing ****.


If she was stuck to the couch, I wonder where she got the food from to
maintain her weight?

But 600 pounds ain't **** man. Get a load of this ******.

There's a disgusting piccy of him in today's ``24 Hours'' (a local Free
NewsSheet) but I could only find the original story on the web.

http://www.keloland.com/News/EyeonKE...fm?Id=22,33881

It's not just the weight, it's that her skin had grafted to the ****in
couch!

ewwwww, gross (dont need to say any more)


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Jene