Brutal breach of rider's rights!

If Pounds accusations are true, how the hell can anyone do business
with the UCI? As far as I can tell, if true, this violates just about
every team and rider agreement. This makes the UCI look worse than
Nixon and Bush IMO if true.
If it's true they need to go on stike right now, go to the press, hold
up worlds, and not finish the Vuelta unless Heinie resigns RFN!
Everyone always thought he was a lying, double-dealing, backstabbing
POS. If Pound's accusations are true we now KNOW what his word, written
rules and contracts mean. Not a ****ing thing. Can't do business with
someone like that!
Bill C

I'm one of the guys who very much believes that Lance probably did test
positive.

Dick Pound has seriously been putting on a clever and diversionary
offense here. According to Verbruggen, he and Lance were duped into
providing the reporter with the information needed to confirm the
positive (how, I have no idea). But there are two pieces of data that
need to be linked together.

Diversionary how? He has not addressed how the L'Equipe received data
from the LAB. If that info had not been leaked first, the reporters
never would have needed that data from the UCI.

Dick Pound is one sick ****ing *******. Heck, I WANT to see Armstrong
get what's coming to him on this one...But Pound is tossing the
credibility of WADA out the window. He seems to know something, but he
is not volunteering everything he needs to volunteer...or he should
keep his mouth 100% shut. If he's willing to talk about a letter that
Verbruggen wrote to him, why not release it? Pound just makes me so
damn angry. I'd hate to be an athlete in his crosshairs, because it is
so obvious that he does not follow any kind of fair due process in how
he goes about doing things.

Everyone always thought he was a lying, double-dealing, backstabbing
POS. If Pound's accusations are true we now KNOW what his word, written

rules and contracts mean. Not a ****ing thing. Can't do business with
someone like that!
Bill C
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I have a question:
aren't these governing bodies? don't they make the rules?
it's not business relationship.

"Bill C" wrote in message
ups.com...
If Pounds accusations are true, how the hell can anyone do business
with the UCI? As far as I can tell, if true, this violates just about
every team and rider agreement. This makes the UCI look worse than
Nixon and Bush IMO if true.
If it's true they need to go on stike right now, go to the press, hold
up worlds, and not finish the Vuelta unless Heinie resigns RFN!
Everyone always thought he was a lying, double-dealing, backstabbing
POS. If Pound's accusations are true we now KNOW what his word, written
rules and contracts mean. Not a ****ing thing. Can't do business with
someone like that!


The accusation of Pound is preposterous and it's almost impossible it's
true. All the interest of Verbruggen en the UCI is protecting Armstrong as
much as possible. If it is proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he using
illicit products all the time, it will be an enourmous blow for the UCI. I
heard that Armstrong has paid an enormous sum to the UCI. If it's true, it's
a lot of money spoilt. They would have protected him free. And by the way, I
think Verbruggen has done an excellent job al those years and I'm not the
only one. After all, it is not because of his charming smile that they
offered him to become director of the Tour de France. Verbruggen was
particularly good in pretending to plead for harsh measures against doping
users and doing everything to render the the task of doping hunters as
difficult as possible. Of course he was and is an tremendous hypocrite, but
unfortunately that's the only way to maintain yourself in present day
cycling, as Armstrong is showing as well.

Benjo

wrote:
Everyone always thought he was a lying, double-dealing, backstabbing
POS. If Pound's accusations are true we now KNOW what his word, written

rules and contracts mean. Not a ****ing thing. Can't do business with
someone like that!
Bill C
--------------------------------------
I have a question:
aren't these governing bodies? don't they make the rules?
it's not business relationship.
Bull****. The riders have agreed to be tested under a set of rules and
procedures that form a written behavioral contract. If Hein violated
the rider confidentiality agreed to in that contract then he's scum.
Benjo, unfortunalely I think you may be right in that you have to be a
lying, hypocritical POS to be involved in running cycling today.
Everyone expects riders to do this, but when the governing agencies,
and doping police have NO credibility, objectivity, and honor how the
hell can anyone put money into the sport or have any respect for the
rules. What this whole mess would tell me as a rider is that it's "Game
On" to break every rule in the book I could get away with as long as my
lawyers could make the case for it, or I didn't get caught because the
people running the sport aren't playing by the rules either. This makes
it real clear that neither the UCI or WADA can be trusted or have any
credibility. I don't see a rider strike happening but it sure as hell
needs to. The level of scumbag politics all across the sport is totally
disgusting. Right now I'd vote for removing ALL cycling from the
Olympics, except that the IOC is just as corrupt as past events have
shown.
I think they've finally reached the Don King, Mike Tyson, Boxing level
of repectability. My congratulations to them.
The sad part of this is that the only people who may actually come out
of this well are L'Equipe. It's really lokking like they just did their
job, with what they were given. Granted they were being used in a
political war, but that's what the press is for.
Compared to the sleaziness in the leaders of cycling Pantani, and the
others were guiltless and deserved much better than they got. At least
they cared about the sport itself, and loved it enough to do whatever
they needed to to make it shine brighter.
How can this get more disgusting and sleazy?
I hope they rot in hell because Marco died for their lying sins.
Bill C

benjo maso wrote:
"Bill C" wrote in message
ups.com...
If Pounds accusations are true, how the hell can anyone do business
with the UCI? As far as I can tell, if true, this violates just about
every team and rider agreement. This makes the UCI look worse than
Nixon and Bush IMO if true.
If it's true they need to go on stike right now, go to the press, hold
up worlds, and not finish the Vuelta unless Heinie resigns RFN!
Everyone always thought he was a lying, double-dealing, backstabbing
POS. If Pound's accusations are true we now KNOW what his word, written
rules and contracts mean. Not a ****ing thing. Can't do business with
someone like that!


The accusation of Pound is preposterous and it's almost impossible it's
true. All the interest of Verbruggen en the UCI is protecting Armstrong as
much as possible. If it is proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he using
illicit products all the time, it will be an enourmous blow for the UCI. I
heard that Armstrong has paid an enormous sum to the UCI. If it's true, it's
a lot of money spoilt. They would have protected him free. And by the way, I
think Verbruggen has done an excellent job al those years and I'm not the
only one. After all, it is not because of his charming smile that they
offered him to become director of the Tour de France. Verbruggen was
particularly good in pretending to plead for harsh measures against doping
users and doing everything to render the the task of doping hunters as
difficult as possible. Of course he was and is an tremendous hypocrite, but
unfortunately that's the only way to maintain yourself in present day
cycling, as Armstrong is showing as well.

Benjo
I sincerely hope that Giorgio Squinzi takes up this battle since it's
become obvious that there was no fair playing field, money talked,
personal grudges decided the day, and a man who wanted to do what's
right for cycling and really cares about the sport got dragged through
the mud!
I think the sport is ripe for a revolution it just needs a popular,
respected leader, and I think he could be it.
Bill C

Bull****. The riders have agreed to be tested under a set of rules and
procedures that form a written behavioral contract. If Hein violated
the rider confidentiality agreed to in that contract then he's scum.
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You seem to think the cyclists have the power, which
has never been the case, maybe I'm mistaken but I've read cyclists
complain about
their almost complete lack of rights...the 98 tour was a good
example.
I think the average cyclist is concerned with making a living and
getting a multi-year contract...all this stuff about rights is
bull****.
They search their rooms and bags, they draw blood
at 5am, random doping tests, European authorities aren't really big on
american consitutional and civil rights - no other athletes in any
sport allows stuff like that.
The cyclists are just pawns in the game, you might idolize and
worship them, but %99 of them are powerless and dispensible
so just give up all the outrage. if they don't like get treated like
that,
there are many fresh amatuers just waiting to get a contract,
and the stars are just trying to stay low on the doping radar

pro cyclists are junkies, they just want to remain
undetected and make some money, so the governing bodies
pretend they are gonna test and the cyclists pretend they are
clean - it's a game.
all this outrage, why do you think the pros themselves aren't
as outraged as you? because if they spoke up they'd get properly
tested and be out of a job.
you can't be this naive.
How was pantani guiltless? he was the biggest science experiment
in the history of cycling, remember when all of a sudden the little
dwarf could TT at 55KM an hour...yeah he was clean.
Trying to make him a martyr isn't gonna work.

wrote:

How was pantani guiltless? he was the biggest science experiment
in the history of cycling, remember when all of a sudden the little
dwarf could TT at 55KM an hour...yeah he was clean.
Trying to make him a martyr isn't gonna work.

Looks like the unwritten rule of the day was that they ignored doping
while protesting that they were actually trying to catch them. Marco
knew he'd have to get with the program to compete and did, then when
the stink got too bad they crucified him to pretend they were cleaning
up the sport. If it's as dirty as everyone thinks, Marco would've been
one of a hundred, instead they tossed one big fish to the wolves while
protecting the rest. So it looks to me like they did martyr Marco to
further their deception that they were honest. It's becoming VERY clear
that he did what he did because he felt he had to, because the sport
was so dirty, and he loved it and wanted to stay in it.
I sincerely hope that Pontius, oops the UCI and doping cops washed
their hands after sealing Marco's fate.

http://www.scu.edu/deSaisset/collection/durer.html

Looks like he wasn't any less guilty than a lot of others, and maybe
more tortured by the lie and the hypocrisy of the system.
Bill C

Looks like he wasn't any less guilty than a lot of others, and maybe
more tortured by the lie and the hypocrisy of the system.
Bill C
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good point and well said.
Rumour has it that Pascal Richard, the olympic champion, was busted
his last year on McCartney and rather than
cause a scandel for the UCI and the Olympic
people - they just made him retire early.

So it is selective prosecution - but I think
that is widespread in any justice system,
they pick on who they want to pick on,
when they want... and now they want to
pick on Lance

In article
.com,
wrote:

I'm one of the guys who very much believes that Lance probably did test
positive.

Dick Pound has seriously been putting on a clever and diversionary
offense here. According to Verbruggen, he and Lance were duped into
providing the reporter with the information needed to confirm the
positive (how, I have no idea). But there are two pieces of data that
need to be linked together.

Diversionary how? He has not addressed how the L'Equipe received data
from the LAB. If that info had not been leaked first, the reporters
never would have needed that data from the UCI.

Dick Pound is one sick ****ing *******. Heck, I WANT to see Armstrong
get what's coming to him on this one...But Pound is tossing the
credibility of WADA out the window. He seems to know something, but he
is not volunteering everything he needs to volunteer...or he should
keep his mouth 100% shut. If he's willing to talk about a letter that
Verbruggen wrote to him, why not release it? Pound just makes me so
damn angry. I'd hate to be an athlete in his crosshairs, because it is
so obvious that he does not follow any kind of fair due process in how
he goes about doing things.

I had this one. Roundly ignored except for the abuse I caught.


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Michael Press