What A Mess

On Saturday, June 4, 2011 10:24:51 PM UTC-7, Zenon wrote:
"Yet if it were to be proven that Mr. Armstrong doped during his
career, the shockwave from the scandal could be massive and the
fallout catastrophic for people with cancer and for all those working
with the foundation to find treatments for the disease."

Source: http://philanthropy.com/article/Don-...by-Its/127699/

Perspective: the Armstrong scandal is probably
less catastrophic or shocking for someone with
cancer than ... the fact that they have cancer!

Get a grip.

Thanks,
Gripmaster Ben

On Jun 6, 12:18*am, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
On Saturday, June 4, 2011 10:24:51 PM UTC-7, Zenon wrote:

"Yet if it were to be proven that Mr. Armstrong doped during his
career, the shockwave from the scandal could be massive and the
fallout catastrophic for people with cancer and for all those working
with the foundation to find treatments for the disease."

Source:http://philanthropy.com/article/Don-...by-Its/127699/

Perspective: the Armstrong scandal is probably
less catastrophic or shocking for someone with
cancer than ... the fact that they have cancer!

Get a grip.

Thanks,
Gripmaster Ben

In fact, it might be beneficial. Someone with cancer had better
realize that it's a no-holds barred fight. Having a spokesman (pun
intended) willing to do anything to win should nicely illustrate the
fact. Thank you, Thighmaster Ben!

R

On 6/6/2011 12:18 AM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
On Saturday, June 4, 2011 10:24:51 PM UTC-7, Zenon wrote:
"Yet if it were to be proven that Mr. Armstrong doped during his
career, the shockwave from the scandal could be massive and the
fallout catastrophic for people with cancer and for all those working
with the foundation to find treatments for the disease."

Source: http://philanthropy.com/article/Don-...by-Its/127699/

Perspective: the Armstrong scandal is probably
less catastrophic or shocking for someone with
cancer than ... the fact that they have cancer!

Get a grip.

Thanks,
Gripmaster Ben
Perspective, the Livestrong Foundation is really just a minor blip on
the cancer community screen of actual help.

"BL" wrote in message
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On 6/6/2011 12:18 AM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
On Saturday, June 4, 2011 10:24:51 PM UTC-7, Zenon wrote:
"Yet if it were to be proven that Mr. Armstrong doped during his
career, the shockwave from the scandal could be massive and the
fallout catastrophic for people with cancer and for all those
working
with the foundation to find treatments for the disease."

Source:
http://philanthropy.com/article/Don-...by-Its/127699/

Perspective: the Armstrong scandal is probably
less catastrophic or shocking for someone with
cancer than ... the fact that they have cancer!

Get a grip.

Thanks,
Gripmaster Ben
Perspective, the Livestrong Foundation is really just a minor blip on
the cancer community screen of actual help.

Brian: Unless you have gone through it yourself, or know people close to
you who have and who have dealt with the LAF, you may not have the
perspective yourself to accurately assess that. The LAF is very
different from most other organizations. You can call them up and they
will put someone on the phone with you who's familiar with the treatment
centers and options in your area. They have immense local expertise, and
phenomenal phone manners. You can laugh at that, but it's something
that's tough to measure and yet hugely important to people having to
make decisions that will affect the rest of their lives.

Say what you will about Lance, but the foundation provides a type of
help found nowhere else. Perhaps accessibility is the key difference.
And empowerment. They take people who are scared and sometimes unable to
do anything because of a paralyzing fear (and a sort of denial or simply
succumb to fate) and get them back up on their feet and fighting.

Whether Lance created the LAF as a sort of Teflon coating or whether it
comes from his heart is almost irrelevant at this point. It has
hopefully become a thing of its own, standing without Lance if need be,
able to continue. I hope.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

On Jun 7, 1:34*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote:
"BL" wrote in message

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On 6/6/2011 12:18 AM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
On Saturday, June 4, 2011 10:24:51 PM UTC-7, Zenon wrote:
"Yet if it were to be proven that Mr. Armstrong doped during his
career, the shockwave from the scandal could be massive and the
fallout catastrophic for people with cancer and for all those
working
with the foundation to find treatments for the disease."

Source:
http://philanthropy.com/article/Don-...by-Its/127699/

Perspective: the Armstrong scandal is probably
less catastrophic or shocking for someone with
cancer than ... the fact that they have cancer!

Get a grip.

Thanks,
Gripmaster Ben
Perspective, the Livestrong Foundation is really just a minor blip on
the cancer community screen of actual help.

Brian: Unless you have gone through it yourself, or know people close to
you who have and who have dealt with the LAF, you may not have the
perspective yourself to accurately assess that. The LAF is very
different from most other organizations. You can call them up and they
will put someone on the phone with you who's familiar with the treatment
centers and options in your area. They have immense local expertise, and
phenomenal phone manners. You can laugh at that, but it's something
that's tough to measure and yet hugely important to people having to
make decisions that will affect the rest of their lives.

Say what you will about Lance, but the foundation provides a type of
help found nowhere else. Perhaps accessibility is the key difference.
And empowerment. They take people who are scared and sometimes unable to
do anything because of a paralyzing fear (and a sort of denial or simply
succumb to fate) and get them back up on their feet and fighting.

Whether Lance created the LAF as a sort of Teflon coating or whether it
comes from his heart is almost irrelevant at this point. It has
hopefully become a thing of its own, standing without Lance if need be,
able to continue. I hope.

--Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

There are other cancer survivors in every community that are far more
accessible than Lance Armstrong. These are the 'inspirations' that
actually help people. Lance is at most an image and if you wake up
scared in the middle of the night with lymphoma how is an image going
to help you ? You need a friend that you can talk to.

On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 05:27:00 -0700 (PDT), Choppy Warburton
wrote:

There are other cancer survivors in every community that are far more
accessible than Lance Armstrong. These are the 'inspirations' that
actually help people. Lance is at most an image and if you wake up
scared in the middle of the night with lymphoma how is an image going
to help you ? You need a friend that you can talk to.

I don't post to this group anymore, but I can tell you as a matter of
fact that LA is immensely popular among people with cancer, across the
spectrum, as well as with oncology nurses in general. My wife, a RN
that is an oncology nurse coordinator for people with cancer,
primarily breast cancer and throat and larnyx cancers, provides pre-
and post- op support for patients until they transition to breast
cancer support groups. She has met LA twice in his role as cancer
survivor. He was charming, gave freely of his time and made no
impression at any time that he had a schedule or need to leave for
more important things. His survival from a very serious stage of
cancer IS important as a symbol, whether you want to believe it or not
and perhaps more so in the community of cancer patients with low to
almost no long-term survival prospects.

There are a spectrum of support groups and individuals and being
married to a nurse that has been an oncology nurse for more than 15
years, I come into contact with all of them, if by no other means than
answering her phone. You'd be surprised how many people DO have cancer
and I have perfected the stepping away, yet not looking bored stance
when one of her patients talks to her in the street. But it is never
one person or thing that gets people through. For some, it takes
everything, from individuals to talk to to symbols of survival and
returning to a normal life. That last is probably one thing people
simply don't understand - the desire to return to a normal life,
beyond just survival. And whether you like it or not, LA is a powerful
symbol of that.

Just saying...

Curtis L. Russell
Back to lurk mode...

On 6/6/2011 11:34 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

Brian: Unless you have gone through it yourself, or know people close to
you who have and who have dealt with the LAF, you may not have the
perspective yourself to accurately assess that.

Wait a minute! Are you saying that Brian lacks perspective? That's
preposterous! Where did you ever get an idea like that?

On 6/8/2011 7:19 AM, broomwagon wrote:

I don't post to this group anymore,

.... and that's a damned shame!

On Jun 7, 8:27*am, Choppy Warburton wrote:

There are other cancer survivors in every community that are far more
accessible than Lance Armstrong. *These are the 'inspirations' that
actually help people. * Lance is at most an image and if you wake up
scared in the middle of the night with lymphoma how is an image going
to help you ? * You need a friend that you can talk to.

Other than the last sentence, you don't know what the **** you're
talking about. No offense. If I wasn't so seriously depressed in a
Zen-like way, I might give enough of a damn to explain why.

R

RicodJour wrote:
If I wasn't so seriously depressed in a
Zen-like way, I might give enough of a damn to explain why.

I suspect all this nausea is cause by E-Coli from Spanish cucumbers.