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Old September 11th 09, 09:10 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
lardyninja
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...eet/article.do

Apparently bike racks are being successfully opposed because they
attract noise and crime and cut down on car parking space.

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Old September 11th 09, 11:07 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Keitht
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lardyninja wrote:


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...eet/article.do


Apparently bike racks are being successfully opposed because they
attract noise and crime and cut down on car parking space.

LN


Love the picture -- a prime example of how bike helmets can be a hazard.

The article also demonstrates how Boris is just bluster and wind.
He has no power at all in this matter - just "disappointed".

The article also shows how much the 'skyride' is a total load of
********. It's all being promoted as 'the mayor's festial'. Standard
procedure, others do the work and some arse of a politician grabs the
limelight.

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Old September 11th 09, 11:31 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_5_]
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Keitht wrote:

lardyninja wrote:


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...eet/article.do


Apparently bike racks are being successfully opposed because they
attract noise and crime and cut down on car parking space.


The article also demonstrates how Boris is just bluster and wind.
He has no power at all in this matter - just "disappointed".


How can he do anything more?

The Mayor (no matter who the Mayor is) is not the planning authority and
local councils (sometimes representing the wishes of local residents) have
that power.

Are you saying that the Mayor should have every last ounce of local
government power in London, right down to the last paving stone, and that the
boroughs should have none?
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Old September 11th 09, 03:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tom Crispin
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:07:22 +0100, Keitht KeithT wrote:

The article also shows how much the 'skyride' is a total load of
********. It's all being promoted as 'the mayor's festial'. Standard
procedure, others do the work and some arse of a politician grabs the
limelight.


I wouldn't say total ********.

I have a pannier full of London Cycling Campaign flags, orange Skyride
'ride leader' tabards that have Transport for London, London Cycling
Campaign and Mayor of London logos in equal size.

However, the London Cycling Campaign logo has been omitted from the
Blue 'event staff' tabards.
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Old September 11th 09, 06:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Keitht
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JNugent wrote:
Keitht wrote:

lardyninja wrote:


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...eet/article.do



Apparently bike racks are being successfully opposed because they
attract noise and crime and cut down on car parking space.


The article also demonstrates how Boris is just bluster and wind.
He has no power at all in this matter - just "disappointed".


How can he do anything more?

The Mayor (no matter who the Mayor is) is not the planning authority and
local councils (sometimes representing the wishes of local residents)
have that power.

Are you saying that the Mayor should have every last ounce of local
government power in London, right down to the last paving stone, and
that the boroughs should have none?


It would help if he'd been honest from the start rather than declare he
was going to have all these wonderful bike hire places everywhere.

--

Come to Dave & Boris - your cycle security experts.
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Old September 11th 09, 07:15 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Brimstone[_8_]
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Keitht wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Keitht wrote:

lardyninja wrote:


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...eet/article.do



Apparently bike racks are being successfully opposed because they
attract noise and crime and cut down on car parking space.


The article also demonstrates how Boris is just bluster and wind.
He has no power at all in this matter - just "disappointed".


How can he do anything more?

The Mayor (no matter who the Mayor is) is not the planning authority
and local councils (sometimes representing the wishes of local
residents) have that power.

Are you saying that the Mayor should have every last ounce of local
government power in London, right down to the last paving stone, and
that the boroughs should have none?


It would help if he'd been honest from the start rather than declare
he was going to have all these wonderful bike hire places everywhere.


Perhaps what he said was more to the effect that he was hoping to have them
everywhere, but as usual, the press and public took it as a statement of
intent and so stirred up unwarranted resistance. Why do they do that?


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Old September 11th 09, 07:26 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_5_]
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Keitht wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Keitht wrote:
lardyninja wrote:


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...eet/article.do


Apparently bike racks are being successfully opposed because they
attract noise and crime and cut down on car parking space.


The article also demonstrates how Boris is just bluster and wind.
He has no power at all in this matter - just "disappointed".


How can he do anything more?
The Mayor (no matter who the Mayor is) is not the planning authority
and local councils (sometimes representing the wishes of local
residents) have that power.
Are you saying that the Mayor should have every last ounce of local
government power in London, right down to the last paving stone, and
that the boroughs should have none?


It would help if he'd been honest from the start rather than declare he
was going to have all these wonderful bike hire places everywhere.


What do you mean by "honest"?

If he'd said "I'm aiming for four hundred hire points, but they will all need
planning consent - that's the way the law is - and it is certainly possible
that some borough councillors from the Labour and LibDim parties will seek to
frustrate our plans for party political reasons", would that have been honest
enough for you?

He said about four hundred, didn't he? That would always (of course) be
subject to planning permission, and that in turn would be subject to there
being no (or minor) valid planning objections at each of the proposed sites
(and to there being no Lab or Lib members acting out of political spite).

My understanding is that over 200 of the sites have so far had consent
granted, and that most of the rest have not yet been decided by the relevant
planning authorities (the borough councils).

How many short of the four hundred would local councils have to grant
permission for before you claimed the scheme to be a failure and for it all
to be Boris's fault (rather than a just result of a democratised planning
system)?

One?

Ten?

Twenty-five?

A hundred?

What if alternative sites are identified and consent is gained?

The fact is that planning decisions of this sort are inevitable. It's why we
have a planning system (Mad Ken would have blown a fuse over it - he didn't
like even a murmur of opposition).

Do you think the Mayor should have the authority to just tell the boroughs
that he is siting the facilities wher he thinks fit and that they can do
nothing about it?

I mean *any* Mayor - not just Mad Ken.
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Old September 11th 09, 07:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_5_]
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Brimstone wrote:

Keitht wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Keitht wrote:
lardyninja wrote:


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...eet/article.do


Apparently bike racks are being successfully opposed because they
attract noise and crime and cut down on car parking space.


The article also demonstrates how Boris is just bluster and wind.
He has no power at all in this matter - just "disappointed".


How can he do anything more?
The Mayor (no matter who the Mayor is) is not the planning authority
and local councils (sometimes representing the wishes of local
residents) have that power.
Are you saying that the Mayor should have every last ounce of local
government power in London, right down to the last paving stone, and
that the boroughs should have none?


It would help if he'd been honest from the start rather than declare
he was going to have all these wonderful bike hire places everywhere.


Perhaps what he said was more to the effect that he was hoping to have them
everywhere, but as usual, the press and public took it as a statement of
intent and so stirred up unwarranted resistance. Why do they do that?


Because lots of people - KeithT included, it seems - don't understand the
concept of planning permission.
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Old September 12th 09, 08:49 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Keitht
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Brimstone wrote:
Keitht wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Keitht wrote:

lardyninja wrote:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...eet/article.do

Apparently bike racks are being successfully opposed because they
attract noise and crime and cut down on car parking space.
The article also demonstrates how Boris is just bluster and wind.
He has no power at all in this matter - just "disappointed".
How can he do anything more?

The Mayor (no matter who the Mayor is) is not the planning authority
and local councils (sometimes representing the wishes of local
residents) have that power.

Are you saying that the Mayor should have every last ounce of local
government power in London, right down to the last paving stone, and
that the boroughs should have none?

It would help if he'd been honest from the start rather than declare
he was going to have all these wonderful bike hire places everywhere.


Perhaps what he said was more to the effect that he was hoping to have them
everywhere, but as usual, the press and public took it as a statement of
intent and so stirred up unwarranted resistance. Why do they do that?


Nope, Boris entered the fray declaring that he would turn water in to
wine and parsley in to the best quality skunk.
As for the walking on water trick - he's up to his waist already.

Declaring that he has got the Met under his political thumb should be a
clue as to his desires for power.
And he still doesn't have a clue what London is - he knows where it is
but that's about it. It's all still all the wiff-waff about the
Olympics, his big chance to appear to be a world power, someone important.



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Come to Dave & Boris - your cycle security experts.
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Old September 12th 09, 08:52 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Brimstone[_8_]
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Keitht wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Keitht wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Keitht wrote:

lardyninja wrote:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...eet/article.do

Apparently bike racks are being successfully opposed because they
attract noise and crime and cut down on car parking space.
The article also demonstrates how Boris is just bluster and wind.
He has no power at all in this matter - just "disappointed".
How can he do anything more?

The Mayor (no matter who the Mayor is) is not the planning
authority and local councils (sometimes representing the wishes of
local residents) have that power.

Are you saying that the Mayor should have every last ounce of local
government power in London, right down to the last paving stone,
and that the boroughs should have none?
It would help if he'd been honest from the start rather than declare
he was going to have all these wonderful bike hire places
everywhere.


Perhaps what he said was more to the effect that he was hoping to
have them everywhere, but as usual, the press and public took it as
a statement of intent and so stirred up unwarranted resistance. Why
do they do that?

Nope, Boris entered the fray declaring that he would turn water in to
wine and parsley in to the best quality skunk.


Perhaps you can show a cite for that?


 




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