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  #81  
Old June 9th 21, 11:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Posts: 10,538
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On 6/9/2021 2:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 10:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 8:19 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 9:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/8/2021 3:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-7, John B.
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:37:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/7/2021 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
"insurrection" when you know damn well that it was
not an
insurrection since there was NO arms of any sort
used and that the
only fatality was 3 people who had heart attacks
at the rally and the
one woman who was murdered by that capital police
officer who has
remained unnamed.

And yet when the cops murder and shoot down the
protesters at BLM
rallies, protests, they are canonized as saints and
martyrs by your
side. And any court proceeding against the cops is
demonized. Odd.


Was there an instance of police shooting protesters
last year? I must
have missed that.

I do remember several innocent bystanders, business
owners and policemen
murdered by mobs:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled




And returning to a mode of thought I frequently use:

I wonder how many people die in protests in Canada?
Or Great Britain? Or
Germany ... etc.
Perhaps it is not simply "protests" The intentional
homicide rate in
Canada is 1.76/100,000, in G.B. 1.20, in Germany 0.95
and in the U.S.
it is 4.96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate




And yet you stupid SOB - why did you leave out
Jamaica with 56
Venezuela with 50
Belize with 38
South Africa with 36
San Lucia with 29
Dominica with 27
Guatemala with 26
Mexico with 26
or even Russia with TWICE the level as the US?

Why don't you mention that Biden and the Democrats have
been inviting
PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and
bring their
quaint ways with them?

???

"Kamala Harris to Potential Migrants: Do Not Come"

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris...194611043.html




Gee... "PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the
US and bring
their quaint ways with them?" Goodness Gracious! People
with names
like Kunich, Krygowski, Muzi ?


There is an orderly process with both Constitutional basis
and a host of applicable statutes. My son in law spent 8
years to become a USAian which is typical of legal
immigration (and I have sponsored immigrants who also
completed theirs). An open border is not at all relevant
to the subject.

I've personally "sponsored" only one immigrant (that is,
helped him arrive here and apply for political asylum). I've
worked with many immigrants, I have several immigrant
friends and other immigrant acquaintances. Some of those
acquaintances may be illegal; I've never asked.

But I've never spoken with anyone who advocated "open
borders." I'm sure those people may exist, but I take them
no more seriously than the nuts who say "I'm taking my yard
and seceding from the United States."



Meanwhile the border is open.

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured...-county-woman/



CBP agents report that most of the staff has been
reassigned to processing of illegals rather than actual
border enforcement. There are virtually no deportations
any longer. And those 'helpless children' are 90% single
males between 15 and 21.

These are not new problems and a complete solution is not
possible but these are real problems:

https://policetribune.com/advocate-f...rtation-order/



The border is not "open" any more than all bike shops are
always "open." Bike shop and other burglaries happen despite
reasonable security.

Actually, your position on this is sort of flipped from your
usual position. You've repeatedly argued against gun laws,
saying "How is the prohibition on drugs working out?".

For consistency, you should be saying we shouldn't have
border security.


Extend the argument and you get to 'we are not a nation'. That's too far
over the line for me.


My argument is in favor of laws, even though I understand that no laws
are perfectly obeyed.

I've never said it's a good idea to let anyone and everyone into the
USA. Likewise, I've never said it's a good idea to let anyone and
everyone own rapid fire guns with capacity for lots of rounds.

I think my position is pretty consistent.

--
- Frank Krygowski
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  #82  
Old June 9th 21, 11:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Posts: 13,447
Default Bidens on bikes!!!!!!!!!!

On 6/9/2021 3:41 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi writes:

On 6/9/2021 1:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 10:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 8:19 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 9:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/8/2021 3:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-7, John B.
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:37:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/7/2021 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
"insurrection" when you know damn well that it was
not an
insurrection since there was NO arms of any sort
used and that the
only fatality was 3 people who had heart attacks
at the rally and the
one woman who was murdered by that capital police
officer who has
remained unnamed.

And yet when the cops murder and shoot down the
protesters at BLM
rallies, protests, they are canonized as saints and
martyrs by your
side. And any court proceeding against the cops is
demonized. Odd.


Was there an instance of police shooting protesters
last year? I must
have missed that.

I do remember several innocent bystanders, business
owners and policemen
murdered by mobs:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled



And returning to a mode of thought I frequently use:

I wonder how many people die in protests in Canada?
Or Great Britain? Or
Germany ... etc.
Perhaps it is not simply "protests" The intentional
homicide rate in
Canada is 1.76/100,000, in G.B. 1.20, in Germany 0.95
and in the U.S.
it is 4.96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate



And yet you stupid SOB - why did you leave out
Jamaica with 56
Venezuela with 50
Belize with 38
South Africa with 36
San Lucia with 29
Dominica with 27
Guatemala with 26
Mexico with 26
or even Russia with TWICE the level as the US?

Why don't you mention that Biden and the Democrats have
been inviting
PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and
bring their
quaint ways with them?

???

"Kamala Harris to Potential Migrants: ‘Do Not Come’"

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris...194611043.html



Gee... "PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the
US and bring
their quaint ways with them?" Goodness Gracious! People
with names
like Kunich, Krygowski, Muzi ?


There is an orderly process with both Constitutional basis
and a host of applicable statutes. My son in law spent 8
years to become a USAian which is typical of legal
immigration (and I have sponsored immigrants who also
completed theirs). An open border is not at all relevant
to the subject.

I've personally "sponsored" only one immigrant (that is,
helped him arrive here and apply for political asylum). I've
worked with many immigrants, I have several immigrant
friends and other immigrant acquaintances. Some of those
acquaintances may be illegal; I've never asked.

But I've never spoken with anyone who advocated "open
borders." I'm sure those people may exist, but I take them
no more seriously than the nuts who say "I'm taking my yard
and seceding from the United States."



Meanwhile the border is open.

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured...-county-woman/


CBP agents report that most of the staff has been
reassigned to processing of illegals rather than actual
border enforcement. There are virtually no deportations
any longer. And those 'helpless children' are 90% single
males between 15 and 21.

These are not new problems and a complete solution is not
possible but these are real problems:

https://policetribune.com/advocate-f...rtation-order/


The border is not "open" any more than all bike shops are
always "open." Bike shop and other burglaries happen despite
reasonable security.

Actually, your position on this is sort of flipped from your
usual position. You've repeatedly argued against gun laws,
saying "How is the prohibition on drugs working out?".

For consistency, you should be saying we shouldn't have
border security.


Extend the argument and you get to 'we are not a nation'. That's too
far over the line for me.


No visas were required for aliens wishing to enter the US prior to 1918,
were we not then a nation?


That's insightful. So I thought about it.

A lot has changed.

In 1900, total US tax burden, local, county, state and
federal was under 10% of GDP. One might bemoan the ethos
'work or starve' but that's how it was generally.

As Milton Friedman famously concluded 'You can have a
welfare state or open borders, but not both.' I think he
makes a very good point.

Add in other social/cultural changes and open borders are
IMHO a clear and present danger. We have plenty of dangers
here already.


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #83  
Old June 9th 21, 11:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Posts: 13,447
Default Bidens on bikes!!!!!!!!!!

On 6/9/2021 5:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 2:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 10:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 8:19 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 9:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/8/2021 3:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-7, John B.
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:37:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/7/2021 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
"insurrection" when you know damn well that it
was
not an
insurrection since there was NO arms of any sort
used and that the
only fatality was 3 people who had heart attacks
at the rally and the
one woman who was murdered by that capital police
officer who has
remained unnamed.

And yet when the cops murder and shoot down the
protesters at BLM
rallies, protests, they are canonized as saints
and
martyrs by your
side. And any court proceeding against the cops is
demonized. Odd.


Was there an instance of police shooting protesters
last year? I must
have missed that.

I do remember several innocent bystanders, business
owners and policemen
murdered by mobs:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled




And returning to a mode of thought I frequently use:

I wonder how many people die in protests in Canada?
Or Great Britain? Or
Germany ... etc.
Perhaps it is not simply "protests" The intentional
homicide rate in
Canada is 1.76/100,000, in G.B. 1.20, in Germany 0.95
and in the U.S.
it is 4.96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate




And yet you stupid SOB - why did you leave out
Jamaica with 56
Venezuela with 50
Belize with 38
South Africa with 36
San Lucia with 29
Dominica with 27
Guatemala with 26
Mexico with 26
or even Russia with TWICE the level as the US?

Why don't you mention that Biden and the Democrats
have
been inviting
PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and
bring their
quaint ways with them?

???

"Kamala Harris to Potential Migrants: Do Not Come"

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris...194611043.html




Gee... "PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to
the
US and bring
their quaint ways with them?" Goodness Gracious! People
with names
like Kunich, Krygowski, Muzi ?


There is an orderly process with both Constitutional
basis
and a host of applicable statutes. My son in law spent 8
years to become a USAian which is typical of legal
immigration (and I have sponsored immigrants who also
completed theirs). An open border is not at all relevant
to the subject.

I've personally "sponsored" only one immigrant (that is,
helped him arrive here and apply for political asylum).
I've
worked with many immigrants, I have several immigrant
friends and other immigrant acquaintances. Some of those
acquaintances may be illegal; I've never asked.

But I've never spoken with anyone who advocated "open
borders." I'm sure those people may exist, but I take them
no more seriously than the nuts who say "I'm taking my
yard
and seceding from the United States."



Meanwhile the border is open.

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured...-county-woman/



CBP agents report that most of the staff has been
reassigned to processing of illegals rather than actual
border enforcement. There are virtually no deportations
any longer. And those 'helpless children' are 90% single
males between 15 and 21.

These are not new problems and a complete solution is not
possible but these are real problems:

https://policetribune.com/advocate-f...rtation-order/



The border is not "open" any more than all bike shops are
always "open." Bike shop and other burglaries happen despite
reasonable security.

Actually, your position on this is sort of flipped from your
usual position. You've repeatedly argued against gun laws,
saying "How is the prohibition on drugs working out?".

For consistency, you should be saying we shouldn't have
border security.


Extend the argument and you get to 'we are not a nation'.
That's too far over the line for me.


My argument is in favor of laws, even though I understand
that no laws are perfectly obeyed.

I've never said it's a good idea to let anyone and everyone
into the USA. Likewise, I've never said it's a good idea to
let anyone and everyone own rapid fire guns with capacity
for lots of rounds.

I think my position is pretty consistent.


Well THAT'S a relief.
When The Powers That Be decide I can't have one of these,
maybe I could borrow yours?

https://www.military.com/equipment/m4-carbine

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #84  
Old June 9th 21, 11:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_4_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,196
Default Bidens on bikes!!!!!!!!!!

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:46:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 3:41 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi writes:

On 6/9/2021 1:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 10:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 8:19 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 9:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/8/2021 3:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-7, John B.
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:37:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/7/2021 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
"insurrection" when you know damn well that it was
not an
insurrection since there was NO arms of any sort
used and that the
only fatality was 3 people who had heart attacks
at the rally and the
one woman who was murdered by that capital police
officer who has
remained unnamed.

And yet when the cops murder and shoot down the
protesters at BLM
rallies, protests, they are canonized as saints and
martyrs by your
side. And any court proceeding against the cops is
demonized. Odd.


Was there an instance of police shooting protesters
last year? I must
have missed that.

I do remember several innocent bystanders, business
owners and policemen
murdered by mobs:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled



And returning to a mode of thought I frequently use:

I wonder how many people die in protests in Canada?
Or Great Britain? Or
Germany ... etc.
Perhaps it is not simply "protests" The intentional
homicide rate in
Canada is 1.76/100,000, in G.B. 1.20, in Germany 0.95
and in the U.S.
it is 4.96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate



And yet you stupid SOB - why did you leave out
Jamaica with 56
Venezuela with 50
Belize with 38
South Africa with 36
San Lucia with 29
Dominica with 27
Guatemala with 26
Mexico with 26
or even Russia with TWICE the level as the US?

Why don't you mention that Biden and the Democrats have
been inviting
PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and
bring their
quaint ways with them?

???

"Kamala Harris to Potential Migrants: ‘Do Not Come’"

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris...194611043.html



Gee... "PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the
US and bring
their quaint ways with them?" Goodness Gracious! People
with names
like Kunich, Krygowski, Muzi ?


There is an orderly process with both Constitutional basis
and a host of applicable statutes. My son in law spent 8
years to become a USAian which is typical of legal
immigration (and I have sponsored immigrants who also
completed theirs). An open border is not at all relevant
to the subject.

I've personally "sponsored" only one immigrant (that is,
helped him arrive here and apply for political asylum). I've
worked with many immigrants, I have several immigrant
friends and other immigrant acquaintances. Some of those
acquaintances may be illegal; I've never asked.

But I've never spoken with anyone who advocated "open
borders." I'm sure those people may exist, but I take them
no more seriously than the nuts who say "I'm taking my yard
and seceding from the United States."



Meanwhile the border is open.

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured...-county-woman/


CBP agents report that most of the staff has been
reassigned to processing of illegals rather than actual
border enforcement. There are virtually no deportations
any longer. And those 'helpless children' are 90% single
males between 15 and 21.

These are not new problems and a complete solution is not
possible but these are real problems:

https://policetribune.com/advocate-f...rtation-order/


The border is not "open" any more than all bike shops are
always "open." Bike shop and other burglaries happen despite
reasonable security.

Actually, your position on this is sort of flipped from your
usual position. You've repeatedly argued against gun laws,
saying "How is the prohibition on drugs working out?".

For consistency, you should be saying we shouldn't have
border security.


Extend the argument and you get to 'we are not a nation'. That's too
far over the line for me.


No visas were required for aliens wishing to enter the US prior to 1918,
were we not then a nation?

That's insightful. So I thought about it.

A lot has changed.

In 1900, total US tax burden, local, county, state and
federal was under 10% of GDP. One might bemoan the ethos
'work or starve' but that's how it was generally.

As Milton Friedman famously concluded 'You can have a
welfare state or open borders, but not both.' I think he
makes a very good point.

Add in other social/cultural changes and open borders are
IMHO a clear and present danger. We have plenty of dangers
here already.


My father's parents got here in 1885 for my Grandmother and 1886 for my Grandfather. I Grandmother entered through Ellis Island making her legal - all they did was write her name in a log. My Grandfather was chief engineer on a steam ship. If they stopped at a port of entry all of the seamen would desert and head for the gold fields so cargo ports were not at ports of entry. When they stopped to unload in New Orleans, my Grandfather jumped ship, rode the rails to San Francisco where he registered there, I don't know how long it takes to get your citizenship papers then but it must have been almost immediately because I have a picture of a young Grandfather having his picture taken with an American flag after he was awarded citizenship.
  #85  
Old June 10th 21, 12:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_4_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,196
Default Bidens on bikes!!!!!!!!!!

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 5:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 2:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 10:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 8:19 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 9:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/8/2021 3:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-7, John B.
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:37:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/7/2021 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
"insurrection" when you know damn well that it
was
not an
insurrection since there was NO arms of any sort
used and that the
only fatality was 3 people who had heart attacks
at the rally and the
one woman who was murdered by that capital police
officer who has
remained unnamed.

And yet when the cops murder and shoot down the
protesters at BLM
rallies, protests, they are canonized as saints
and
martyrs by your
side. And any court proceeding against the cops is
demonized. Odd.


Was there an instance of police shooting protesters
last year? I must
have missed that.

I do remember several innocent bystanders, business
owners and policemen
murdered by mobs:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled




And returning to a mode of thought I frequently use:

I wonder how many people die in protests in Canada?
Or Great Britain? Or
Germany ... etc.
Perhaps it is not simply "protests" The intentional
homicide rate in
Canada is 1.76/100,000, in G.B. 1.20, in Germany 0.95
and in the U.S.
it is 4.96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate




And yet you stupid SOB - why did you leave out
Jamaica with 56
Venezuela with 50
Belize with 38
South Africa with 36
San Lucia with 29
Dominica with 27
Guatemala with 26
Mexico with 26
or even Russia with TWICE the level as the US?

Why don't you mention that Biden and the Democrats
have
been inviting
PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and
bring their
quaint ways with them?

???

"Kamala Harris to Potential Migrants: ‘Do Not Come’"

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris...194611043.html




Gee... "PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to
the
US and bring
their quaint ways with them?" Goodness Gracious! People
with names
like Kunich, Krygowski, Muzi ?


There is an orderly process with both Constitutional
basis
and a host of applicable statutes. My son in law spent 8
years to become a USAian which is typical of legal
immigration (and I have sponsored immigrants who also
completed theirs). An open border is not at all relevant
to the subject.

I've personally "sponsored" only one immigrant (that is,
helped him arrive here and apply for political asylum).
I've
worked with many immigrants, I have several immigrant
friends and other immigrant acquaintances. Some of those
acquaintances may be illegal; I've never asked.

But I've never spoken with anyone who advocated "open
borders." I'm sure those people may exist, but I take them
no more seriously than the nuts who say "I'm taking my
yard
and seceding from the United States."



Meanwhile the border is open.

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured...-county-woman/



CBP agents report that most of the staff has been
reassigned to processing of illegals rather than actual
border enforcement. There are virtually no deportations
any longer. And those 'helpless children' are 90% single
males between 15 and 21.

These are not new problems and a complete solution is not
possible but these are real problems:

https://policetribune.com/advocate-f...rtation-order/



The border is not "open" any more than all bike shops are
always "open." Bike shop and other burglaries happen despite
reasonable security.

Actually, your position on this is sort of flipped from your
usual position. You've repeatedly argued against gun laws,
saying "How is the prohibition on drugs working out?".

For consistency, you should be saying we shouldn't have
border security.


Extend the argument and you get to 'we are not a nation'.
That's too far over the line for me.


My argument is in favor of laws, even though I understand
that no laws are perfectly obeyed.

I've never said it's a good idea to let anyone and everyone
into the USA. Likewise, I've never said it's a good idea to
let anyone and everyone own rapid fire guns with capacity
for lots of rounds.

I think my position is pretty consistent.

Well THAT'S a relief.
When The Powers That Be decide I can't have one of these,
maybe I could borrow yours?

https://www.military.com/equipment/m4-carbine


According to Franks every one of those "killed" at protests was jus standing around and doing nuttin. They were burning and looting or pointing a gun at a cop or throwing Molotov cocktails.

It was like his bull**** about George Floyd who according to Frank was killed by a cop kneeing on his neck and purposely asphyxiating him. To bad the lapel cameras of the cops had a completely different story. The cops were serving a warrant for his arrest as he was sitting in the back seat of his pusher's car after having purchased and consumed a ton of fentanyl after being off of it for 6 weeks or so while he was in prison. You can tell that he had taken it BEFORE the cops got there and not swallowed it to hide it because he was saying "I can't breath" before he got out of the back of the pusher's car. This was shown by the lapel cameras of the police. They placed him in the back of the police SUV and he started having an overdose toxicity seizure and slid out of the car and onto the ground next to the police car. With the seizure in progress the partner called an ambulance and Officer Chauvin tried to keep him still and kneels in Floyd's shoulder with his RIGHT knee. From the angle that smartphone video was taken it APPEARED that Chauvin was kneeling on his neck with his LEFT knee but he wasn't because Floyd could be plainly heard saying "I can't breath". So there was NO pressure on his neck that could cause any sort of medical problems.

Leftists have never a thought in their heads that looks can be sometimes deceiving. In Franks case, he is simply anti-conservative and he would believe absolutely any lie without questioning a word of it if he though he could use it to bludgeon any conservative. Let's see how Frank likes it after Biden prices everything out of his reach and then gives extra money to the illegal aliens.
  #86  
Old June 10th 21, 01:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Posts: 13,447
Default Bidens on bikes!!!!!!!!!!

On 6/9/2021 6:16 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 5:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 2:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 10:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 8:19 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 9:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/8/2021 3:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-7, John B.
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:37:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/7/2021 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
"insurrection" when you know damn well that it
was
not an
insurrection since there was NO arms of any sort
used and that the
only fatality was 3 people who had heart attacks
at the rally and the
one woman who was murdered by that capital police
officer who has
remained unnamed.

And yet when the cops murder and shoot down the
protesters at BLM
rallies, protests, they are canonized as saints
and
martyrs by your
side. And any court proceeding against the cops is
demonized. Odd.


Was there an instance of police shooting protesters
last year? I must
have missed that.

I do remember several innocent bystanders, business
owners and policemen
murdered by mobs:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled




And returning to a mode of thought I frequently use:

I wonder how many people die in protests in Canada?
Or Great Britain? Or
Germany ... etc.
Perhaps it is not simply "protests" The intentional
homicide rate in
Canada is 1.76/100,000, in G.B. 1.20, in Germany 0.95
and in the U.S.
it is 4.96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate




And yet you stupid SOB - why did you leave out
Jamaica with 56
Venezuela with 50
Belize with 38
South Africa with 36
San Lucia with 29
Dominica with 27
Guatemala with 26
Mexico with 26
or even Russia with TWICE the level as the US?

Why don't you mention that Biden and the Democrats
have
been inviting
PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and
bring their
quaint ways with them?

???

"Kamala Harris to Potential Migrants: ‘Do Not Come’"

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris...194611043.html




Gee... "PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to
the
US and bring
their quaint ways with them?" Goodness Gracious! People
with names
like Kunich, Krygowski, Muzi ?


There is an orderly process with both Constitutional
basis
and a host of applicable statutes. My son in law spent 8
years to become a USAian which is typical of legal
immigration (and I have sponsored immigrants who also
completed theirs). An open border is not at all relevant
to the subject.

I've personally "sponsored" only one immigrant (that is,
helped him arrive here and apply for political asylum).
I've
worked with many immigrants, I have several immigrant
friends and other immigrant acquaintances. Some of those
acquaintances may be illegal; I've never asked.

But I've never spoken with anyone who advocated "open
borders." I'm sure those people may exist, but I take them
no more seriously than the nuts who say "I'm taking my
yard
and seceding from the United States."



Meanwhile the border is open.

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured...-county-woman/



CBP agents report that most of the staff has been
reassigned to processing of illegals rather than actual
border enforcement. There are virtually no deportations
any longer. And those 'helpless children' are 90% single
males between 15 and 21.

These are not new problems and a complete solution is not
possible but these are real problems:

https://policetribune.com/advocate-f...rtation-order/



The border is not "open" any more than all bike shops are
always "open." Bike shop and other burglaries happen despite
reasonable security.

Actually, your position on this is sort of flipped from your
usual position. You've repeatedly argued against gun laws,
saying "How is the prohibition on drugs working out?".

For consistency, you should be saying we shouldn't have
border security.


Extend the argument and you get to 'we are not a nation'.
That's too far over the line for me.

My argument is in favor of laws, even though I understand
that no laws are perfectly obeyed.

I've never said it's a good idea to let anyone and everyone
into the USA. Likewise, I've never said it's a good idea to
let anyone and everyone own rapid fire guns with capacity
for lots of rounds.

I think my position is pretty consistent.

Well THAT'S a relief.
When The Powers That Be decide I can't have one of these,
maybe I could borrow yours?

https://www.military.com/equipment/m4-carbine


According to Franks every one of those "killed" at protests was jus standing around and doing nuttin. They were burning and looting or pointing a gun at a cop or throwing Molotov cocktails.

It was like his bull**** about George Floyd who according to Frank was killed by a cop kneeing on his neck and purposely asphyxiating him. To bad the lapel cameras of the cops had a completely different story. The cops were serving a warrant for his arrest as he was sitting in the back seat of his pusher's car after having purchased and consumed a ton of fentanyl after being off of it for 6 weeks or so while he was in prison. You can tell that he had taken it BEFORE the cops got there and not swallowed it to hide it because he was saying "I can't breath" before he got out of the back of the pusher's car. This was shown by the lapel cameras of the police. They placed him in the back of the police SUV and he started having an overdose toxicity seizure and slid out of the car and onto the ground next to the police car. With the seizure in progress the partner called an ambulance and Officer Chauvin tried to keep him still and kneels in Floyd's shoulder with his RIGHT knee. From the a

ngle that smartphone video was taken it APPEARED that Chauvin was kneeling on his neck with his LEFT knee but he wasn't because Floyd could be plainly heard saying "I can't breath". So there was NO pressure on his neck that could cause any sort of medical problems.

Leftists have never a thought in their heads that looks can be sometimes deceiving. In Franks case, he is simply anti-conservative and he would believe absolutely any lie without questioning a word of it if he though he could use it to bludgeon any conservative. Let's see how Frank likes it after Biden prices everything out of his reach and then gives extra money to the illegal aliens.


You'll never become a member of The Party writing things
like that. You probably watched the entire video series (as
did I) but not the edited version presented to the jury.

Mr Chauvin was convicted. You or I may well be next.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #87  
Old June 10th 21, 01:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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Posts: 5,697
Default Bidens on bikes!!!!!!!!!!

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 07:19:15 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/8/2021 9:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/8/2021 3:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:37:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/7/2021 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
"insurrection" when you know damn well that it was not an
insurrection since there was NO arms of any sort used and that the
only fatality was 3 people who had heart attacks at the rally and the
one woman who was murdered by that capital police officer who has
remained unnamed.

And yet when the cops murder and shoot down the protesters at BLM
rallies, protests, they are canonized as saints and martyrs by your
side. And any court proceeding against the cops is demonized. Odd.


Was there an instance of police shooting protesters last year? I must
have missed that.

I do remember several innocent bystanders, business owners and policemen
murdered by mobs:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled

And returning to a mode of thought I frequently use:

I wonder how many people die in protests in Canada? Or Great Britain? Or
Germany ... etc.
Perhaps it is not simply "protests" The intentional homicide rate in
Canada is 1.76/100,000, in G.B. 1.20, in Germany 0.95 and in the U.S.
it is 4.96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

And yet you stupid SOB - why did you leave out
Jamaica with 56
Venezuela with 50
Belize with 38
South Africa with 36
San Lucia with 29
Dominica with 27
Guatemala with 26
Mexico with 26
or even Russia with TWICE the level as the US?

Why don't you mention that Biden and the Democrats have been inviting

PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and bring their
quaint ways with them?

???

"Kamala Harris to Potential Migrants: Do Not Come"

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris...194611043.html


Gee... "PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and bring
their quaint ways with them?" Goodness Gracious! People with names
like Kunich, Krygowski, Muzi ?


There is an orderly process with both Constitutional basis
and a host of applicable statutes. My son in law spent 8
years to become a USAian which is typical of legal
immigration (and I have sponsored immigrants who also
completed theirs). An open border is not at all relevant to
the subject.


Yes, or at least there was, a specified length of time that the
immigrant had to be in the U.S. and a test of their knowledge of
English and U.S. history and government. My first wife went through
the procedure and even with the advantage of a Serviceman's spouse's
green card it still took something like 6 years from the day she
arrived in the U.S. until, she became a citizen. There were even
special evening classes to teach the immigrants about the U.S..



https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/06/j...tected-status/

Congress desires nothing more than the ability to posture,
harangue, solicit contributions and bitch as long as there's
no roll call vote. So the statutes remain unchanged. You
may have opinions (as do I) but that's where we are.

--
Cheers,

John B.

  #88  
Old June 10th 21, 01:46 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Posts: 10,538
Default Bidens on bikes!!!!!!!!!!

On 6/9/2021 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 5:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 2:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 10:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 8:19 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 9:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/8/2021 3:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-7, John B.
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:37:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/7/2021 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
"insurrection" when you know damn well that it
was
not an
insurrection since there was NO arms of any sort
used and that the
only fatality was 3 people who had heart attacks
at the rally and the
one woman who was murdered by that capital police
officer who has
remained unnamed.

And yet when the cops murder and shoot down the
protesters at BLM
rallies, protests, they are canonized as saints
and
martyrs by your
side. And any court proceeding against the cops is
demonized. Odd.


Was there an instance of police shooting protesters
last year? I must
have missed that.

I do remember several innocent bystanders, business
owners and policemen
murdered by mobs:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled





And returning to a mode of thought I frequently use:

I wonder how many people die in protests in Canada?
Or Great Britain? Or
Germany ... etc.
Perhaps it is not simply "protests" The intentional
homicide rate in
Canada is 1.76/100,000, in G.B. 1.20, in Germany 0.95
and in the U.S.
it is 4.96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate





And yet you stupid SOB - why did you leave out
Jamaica with 56
Venezuela with 50
Belize with 38
South Africa with 36
San Lucia with 29
Dominica with 27
Guatemala with 26
Mexico with 26
or even Russia with TWICE the level as the US?

Why don't you mention that Biden and the Democrats
have
been inviting
PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and
bring their
quaint ways with them?

???

"Kamala Harris to Potential Migrants: Do Not Come"

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris...194611043.html





Gee... "PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to
the
US and bring
their quaint ways with them?" Goodness Gracious! People
with names
like Kunich, Krygowski, Muzi ?


There is an orderly process with both Constitutional
basis
and a host of applicable statutes. My son in law spent 8
years to become a USAian which is typical of legal
immigration (and I have sponsored immigrants who also
completed theirs). An open border is not at all relevant
to the subject.

I've personally "sponsored" only one immigrant (that is,
helped him arrive here and apply for political asylum).
I've
worked with many immigrants, I have several immigrant
friends and other immigrant acquaintances. Some of those
acquaintances may be illegal; I've never asked.

But I've never spoken with anyone who advocated "open
borders." I'm sure those people may exist, but I take them
no more seriously than the nuts who say "I'm taking my
yard
and seceding from the United States."



Meanwhile the border is open.

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured...-county-woman/




CBP agents report that most of the staff has been
reassigned to processing of illegals rather than actual
border enforcement. There are virtually no deportations
any longer. And those 'helpless children' are 90% single
males between 15 and 21.

These are not new problems and a complete solution is not
possible but these are real problems:

https://policetribune.com/advocate-f...rtation-order/




The border is not "open" any more than all bike shops are
always "open." Bike shop and other burglaries happen despite
reasonable security.

Actually, your position on this is sort of flipped from your
usual position. You've repeatedly argued against gun laws,
saying "How is the prohibition on drugs working out?".

For consistency, you should be saying we shouldn't have
border security.


Extend the argument and you get to 'we are not a nation'.
That's too far over the line for me.


My argument is in favor of laws, even though I understand
that no laws are perfectly obeyed.

I've never said it's a good idea to let anyone and everyone
into the USA. Likewise, I've never said it's a good idea to
let anyone and everyone own rapid fire guns with capacity
for lots of rounds.

I think my position is pretty consistent.


Well THAT'S a relief.
When The Powers That Be decide I can't have one of these, maybe I could
borrow yours?

https://www.military.com/equipment/m4-carbine


Why would I want one?


--
- Frank Krygowski
  #89  
Old June 10th 21, 02:00 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,870
Default Bidens on bikes!!!!!!!!!!

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 5:29:39 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 6:16 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 5:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 2:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 10:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 8:19 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 9:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/8/2021 3:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-7, John B.
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:37:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/7/2021 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
"insurrection" when you know damn well that it
was
not an
insurrection since there was NO arms of any sort
used and that the
only fatality was 3 people who had heart attacks
at the rally and the
one woman who was murdered by that capital police
officer who has
remained unnamed.

And yet when the cops murder and shoot down the
protesters at BLM
rallies, protests, they are canonized as saints
and
martyrs by your
side. And any court proceeding against the cops is
demonized. Odd.


Was there an instance of police shooting protesters
last year? I must
have missed that.

I do remember several innocent bystanders, business
owners and policemen
murdered by mobs:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled




And returning to a mode of thought I frequently use:

I wonder how many people die in protests in Canada?
Or Great Britain? Or
Germany ... etc.
Perhaps it is not simply "protests" The intentional
homicide rate in
Canada is 1.76/100,000, in G.B. 1.20, in Germany 0.95
and in the U.S.
it is 4.96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate




And yet you stupid SOB - why did you leave out
Jamaica with 56
Venezuela with 50
Belize with 38
South Africa with 36
San Lucia with 29
Dominica with 27
Guatemala with 26
Mexico with 26
or even Russia with TWICE the level as the US?

Why don't you mention that Biden and the Democrats
have
been inviting
PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and
bring their
quaint ways with them?

???

"Kamala Harris to Potential Migrants: ‘Do Not Come’"

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris...194611043.html




Gee... "PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to
the
US and bring
their quaint ways with them?" Goodness Gracious! People
with names
like Kunich, Krygowski, Muzi ?


There is an orderly process with both Constitutional
basis
and a host of applicable statutes. My son in law spent 8
years to become a USAian which is typical of legal
immigration (and I have sponsored immigrants who also
completed theirs). An open border is not at all relevant
to the subject.

I've personally "sponsored" only one immigrant (that is,
helped him arrive here and apply for political asylum).
I've
worked with many immigrants, I have several immigrant
friends and other immigrant acquaintances. Some of those
acquaintances may be illegal; I've never asked.

But I've never spoken with anyone who advocated "open
borders." I'm sure those people may exist, but I take them
no more seriously than the nuts who say "I'm taking my
yard
and seceding from the United States."



Meanwhile the border is open.

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured...-county-woman/



CBP agents report that most of the staff has been
reassigned to processing of illegals rather than actual
border enforcement. There are virtually no deportations
any longer. And those 'helpless children' are 90% single
males between 15 and 21.

These are not new problems and a complete solution is not
possible but these are real problems:

https://policetribune.com/advocate-f...rtation-order/



The border is not "open" any more than all bike shops are
always "open." Bike shop and other burglaries happen despite
reasonable security.

Actually, your position on this is sort of flipped from your
usual position. You've repeatedly argued against gun laws,
saying "How is the prohibition on drugs working out?".

For consistency, you should be saying we shouldn't have
border security.


Extend the argument and you get to 'we are not a nation'.
That's too far over the line for me.

My argument is in favor of laws, even though I understand
that no laws are perfectly obeyed.

I've never said it's a good idea to let anyone and everyone
into the USA. Likewise, I've never said it's a good idea to
let anyone and everyone own rapid fire guns with capacity
for lots of rounds.

I think my position is pretty consistent.

Well THAT'S a relief.
When The Powers That Be decide I can't have one of these,
maybe I could borrow yours?

https://www.military.com/equipment/m4-carbine


According to Franks every one of those "killed" at protests was jus standing around and doing nuttin. They were burning and looting or pointing a gun at a cop or throwing Molotov cocktails.

It was like his bull**** about George Floyd who according to Frank was killed by a cop kneeing on his neck and purposely asphyxiating him. To bad the lapel cameras of the cops had a completely different story. The cops were serving a warrant for his arrest as he was sitting in the back seat of his pusher's car after having purchased and consumed a ton of fentanyl after being off of it for 6 weeks or so while he was in prison. You can tell that he had taken it BEFORE the cops got there and not swallowed it to hide it because he was saying "I can't breath" before he got out of the back of the pusher's car. This was shown by the lapel cameras of the police. They placed him in the back of the police SUV and he started having an overdose toxicity seizure and slid out of the car and onto the ground next to the police car. With the seizure in progress the partner called an ambulance and Officer Chauvin tried to keep him still and kneels in Floyd's shoulder with his RIGHT knee. From the a

ngle that smartphone video was taken it APPEARED that Chauvin was kneeling on his neck with his LEFT knee but he wasn't because Floyd could be plainly heard saying "I can't breath". So there was NO pressure on his neck that could cause any sort of medical problems.

Leftists have never a thought in their heads that looks can be sometimes deceiving. In Franks case, he is simply anti-conservative and he would believe absolutely any lie without questioning a word of it if he though he could use it to bludgeon any conservative. Let's see how Frank likes it after Biden prices everything out of his reach and then gives extra money to the illegal aliens.

You'll never become a member of The Party writing things
like that. You probably watched the entire video series (as
did I) but not the edited version presented to the jury.

Mr Chauvin was convicted. You or I may well be next.

Unlikely, unless you have your knee on someone's neck for a very long time. I worked with cops all the time back in the ambulance days -- and I relied on them to keep me safe, but they could do some pretty stupid things, like break arms, choke people to death, etc. That was bad. I watched one cop break an arm, which was kind of gruesome. I was always O.K. with carnage that had occurred, but I hated carnage that was in the process of occurring.

Even back in the '70s, there was a response team in the Santa Clara Valley that would handle psych claims -- "ITS" (Immediate Treatment Service). It was the white jacket and tennis shoe guys with syringes full of Thorazine. The cops would corral the crazy guys, and ITS would hit them up with Thorazine or some other phenothiazine. We'd haul them off to VMC. A lot of police calls should be handled by the white-jacket guys, IMO. I'm absolutely not for defunding, but we do need some real psych ninjas out there.

-- Jay Beattie.

  #90  
Old June 10th 21, 02:43 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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Posts: 5,697
Default Bidens on bikes!!!!!!!!!!

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 17:46:16 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/9/2021 3:41 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi writes:

On 6/9/2021 1:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/9/2021 10:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 8:19 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 9:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/8/2021 3:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-7, John B.
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:37:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/7/2021 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
"insurrection" when you know damn well that it was
not an
insurrection since there was NO arms of any sort
used and that the
only fatality was 3 people who had heart attacks
at the rally and the
one woman who was murdered by that capital police
officer who has
remained unnamed.

And yet when the cops murder and shoot down the
protesters at BLM
rallies, protests, they are canonized as saints and
martyrs by your
side. And any court proceeding against the cops is
demonized. Odd.


Was there an instance of police shooting protesters
last year? I must
have missed that.

I do remember several innocent bystanders, business
owners and policemen
murdered by mobs:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled



And returning to a mode of thought I frequently use:

I wonder how many people die in protests in Canada?
Or Great Britain? Or
Germany ... etc.
Perhaps it is not simply "protests" The intentional
homicide rate in
Canada is 1.76/100,000, in G.B. 1.20, in Germany 0.95
and in the U.S.
it is 4.96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate



And yet you stupid SOB - why did you leave out
Jamaica with 56
Venezuela with 50
Belize with 38
South Africa with 36
San Lucia with 29
Dominica with 27
Guatemala with 26
Mexico with 26
or even Russia with TWICE the level as the US?

Why don't you mention that Biden and the Democrats have
been inviting
PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the US and
bring their
quaint ways with them?

???

"Kamala Harris to Potential Migrants: ‘Do Not Come’"

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris...194611043.html



Gee... "PEOPLE from ALL of these countries to come to the
US and bring
their quaint ways with them?" Goodness Gracious! People
with names
like Kunich, Krygowski, Muzi ?


There is an orderly process with both Constitutional basis
and a host of applicable statutes. My son in law spent 8
years to become a USAian which is typical of legal
immigration (and I have sponsored immigrants who also
completed theirs). An open border is not at all relevant
to the subject.

I've personally "sponsored" only one immigrant (that is,
helped him arrive here and apply for political asylum). I've
worked with many immigrants, I have several immigrant
friends and other immigrant acquaintances. Some of those
acquaintances may be illegal; I've never asked.

But I've never spoken with anyone who advocated "open
borders." I'm sure those people may exist, but I take them
no more seriously than the nuts who say "I'm taking my yard
and seceding from the United States."



Meanwhile the border is open.

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured...-county-woman/


CBP agents report that most of the staff has been
reassigned to processing of illegals rather than actual
border enforcement. There are virtually no deportations
any longer. And those 'helpless children' are 90% single
males between 15 and 21.

These are not new problems and a complete solution is not
possible but these are real problems:

https://policetribune.com/advocate-f...rtation-order/


The border is not "open" any more than all bike shops are
always "open." Bike shop and other burglaries happen despite
reasonable security.

Actually, your position on this is sort of flipped from your
usual position. You've repeatedly argued against gun laws,
saying "How is the prohibition on drugs working out?".

For consistency, you should be saying we shouldn't have
border security.


Extend the argument and you get to 'we are not a nation'. That's too
far over the line for me.


No visas were required for aliens wishing to enter the US prior to 1918,
were we not then a nation?


That's insightful. So I thought about it.

A lot has changed.

In 1900, total US tax burden, local, county, state and
federal was under 10% of GDP. One might bemoan the ethos
'work or starve' but that's how it was generally.


But it was an accepted fact of life. To be too lazy to work was proof
that one was a useless burden on society. I can remember my mother
telling me, "Don't play with them, they are on the town".


As Milton Friedman famously concluded 'You can have a
welfare state or open borders, but not both.' I think he
makes a very good point.


I remember reading a statement made by a politician - I really don't
remember who - who stated that, "it is foolish to allow those on the
dole to vote as certainly they will vote for the dole".

Add in other social/cultural changes and open borders are
IMHO a clear and present danger. We have plenty of dangers
here already.


--
Cheers,

John B.

 




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