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M2 Cyclelane gone - NEXT M4, 5 & 7
Sydney siders prepare for a battle TransUrban (owners of the M2), you know the ones who screwed us over royally and banned us from the M2, look set to take control of the M4, M7 and M5. There is a long standing desire to widen the M5. So all you people who did nothing when we were losing the M2 and thought "We'll just ride somewhere else" - well - you're about to be banned from everywhere else. Unless you start making some serious noise and action - your chickens are about to come home to roost. ' ' (http://tinyurl.com/35xc5j) *http://tinyurl.com/35xc5j Scotty * -- scotty72 |
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scotty72 wrote:
Unless you start making some serious noise and action - your chickens are about to come home to roost. ' I don't have any chickens. Parbs |
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scotty72 Wrote: Sydney siders prepare for a battle TransUrban (owners of the M2), you know the ones who screwed us over royally and banned us from the M2, look set to take control of the M4, M7 and M5. For the NON sydney people, are these roads major roads as in almost Freeway like roads ? I am not sure what road it was, but I was in Parramatta briefly and I rode out to a section of the Blue Mountains and on the way back I had the option of turning off or noticed I was actually allowed to use the shoulder of the (100+ kph) Freeway. And all I can say it was the most stupid thing I ever did. The garbage that gets tossed onto that shoulder and the speed of the traffic made it very uncomfortable, very similar to the time I decided on one of my first rides in Brisbane to ride out to Ipswich via the Freeway, I only did that once. Anyway my point was, is that the roads you are talking about and if so, why would you want to ride on them ? Not trying to start trouble, just wanted to find out about it. -- MikeyOz |
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MikeyOz Wrote: For the NON sydney people, are these roads major roads as in almost Freeway like roads ? I am not sure what road it was, but I was in Parramatta briefly and I rode out to a section of the Blue Mountains and on the way back I had the option of turning off or noticed I was actually allowed to use the shoulder of the (100+ kph) Freeway. And all I can say it was the most stupid thing I ever did. The garbage that gets tossed onto that shoulder and the speed of the traffic made it very uncomfortable, very similar to the time I decided on one of my first rides in Brisbane to ride out to Ipswich via the Freeway, I only did that once. Anyway my point was, is that the roads you are talking about and if so, why would you want to ride on them ? Not trying to start trouble, just wanted to find out about it.That would be the M4 you rode. (the widest / busiest of them all) I ride about 3/4 of the length of that each Wed (not today - ANZAC DAY - though). It isn't too bad. Sure there is always plenty of debris etc. but -this is Sydney; moron drivers and close, fast-movingtraffic are part and parcel of the place. SCotty -- scotty72 |
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MikeyOz wrote:
For the NON sydney people, are these roads major roads as in almost Freeway like roads ? These are the major core roads now. The M7 is the new road from the south to the mid-north of sydney outer metro where it joins the M2, which takes you back towards Pennant Hills Rd (major route but really a suburban road) for the northward trip. The M7 also has a shared pedestrian/bicycle path for slow pokes along the whole length (40kms). The M5 starts with the M7 and goes east to the airport (Mascot), where yo can join the Prices highway or General Holmes Drive NE then N to eastern suburbs routes, then Harbour tunnel, etc. AFAIK, you can ride it from Prestons/Casula to Bexley, then it goes underground. The main benefit(s) of riding any of these is the easier grades, more direct travel and safer speeds (compared to dodging pedestrians, soil drifts and sharp corners with wrong camber). |
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In terms of accidents per million cyclist kilometres, freeway shoulders are
the safest place to cycle. And not by a small margin either. Accident studies have shown the cyclist accident rate to be about five times as on single lane roads without a shoulder and about fifteen times as high on cyclepaths... "MikeyOz" wrote in message ... I am not sure what road it was, but I was in Parramatta briefly and I rode out to a section of the Blue Mountains and on the way back I had the option of turning off or noticed I was actually allowed to use the shoulder of the (100+ kph) Freeway. And all I can say it was the most stupid thing I ever did. The garbage that gets tossed onto that shoulder and the speed of the traffic made it very uncomfortable, very similar to the time I decided on one of my first rides in Brisbane to ride out to Ipswich via the Freeway, I only did that once. |
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M2 Cyclelane gone - NEXT M4, 5 & 7
In aus.bicycle on Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:24:57 +1000
Nick Payne wrote: In terms of accidents per million cyclist kilometres, freeway shoulders are the safest place to cycle. And not by a small margin either. Accident studies have shown the cyclist accident rate to be about five times as on single lane roads without a shoulder and about fifteen times as high on cyclepaths... That's the accident rate, what's the serious injury rate? Zebee |
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Nick Payne wrote:
In terms of accidents per million cyclist kilometres, freeway shoulders are the safest place to cycle. And not by a small margin either. Accident studies have shown the cyclist accident rate to be about five times as on single lane roads without a shoulder and about fifteen times as high on cyclepaths... I suppose that's because there are far fewer intersections, no driveways and better sight lines. It may also be that more experienced cyclists tend to use freeways. I'd be interested in the source of your data if you have it. Peter |
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M2 Cyclelane gone - NEXT M4, 5 & 7
Is this part of the fabled Sydney Orbital Network, or a completely seperate private-public partnership? -- cfsmtb |
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cfsmtb wrote:
Is this part of the fabled Sydney Orbital Network, or a completely seperate private-public partnership? SON, yes. http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/usingroads...ing/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Orbital_Network |
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