Right about now

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:57:18 -0800, "Frank Drackman"
wrote:

Hey smart guy, I bet that Phonak isn't around for any GT without the Pro
Tour License. If they don't get the license I bet that he praying for an
escape clause hoping to leave before it becomes a total mess. He would
rather start the process now than next spring.

Your ignorance is showing again.

To separate ignorance from opinion, the following is from ignorance:

So Phonak is too big to worry about a bicycling team going nowhere.
What's the process here? My assumption is that Phonak pays only to the
team and the team pays the guarantees to the UCI and posts any bonds.
So Phonak pulls out a morals clause or something and says, thanks, but
no and splits. No major money and no races, the team dissolves and the
guarantee money is paid out to the riders and creditors. And bootleg
Phonak bikes show up on eBay for the next six months...

If the above is remotely correct, then why Phonak would stay around
more than the next 10 or 15 days, or maybe the next 10 or 15 minutes
escapes me. If all Phonak has on the line is a few hundred thousand
Euros, they must be reaching for the plug right now.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Frank Drackman wrote:
"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...

Hey ****heads, Landis was hired as a GC guy for the Grannd Tours. The
GT's are not a part of the Pro Tour.

So Landis could care less. As a matter of fact, Landis is now Phonak's
clear GC leader.

Always have to correct you bitches,

Magilla



Hey smart guy, I bet that Phonak isn't around for any GT without the Pro
Tour License. If they don't get the license I bet that he praying for an
escape clause hoping to leave before it becomes a total mess. He would
rather start the process now than next spring.

Your ignorance is showing again.



Hey ****hole,

The rules for selection for a Grand Tour are based on UCI points, and
have nothing to do with Pro Tour status.

The ASO doesn't want anything to do with the Pro Tour.

All that talk about Phonak not having a team if they don't get a Pro
Tour selection is just nonsense because they are obligated to pay the
riders salaries at this point regardless of whether or not they have a
team. So why would Phonak pay $1.7 million in rider salaries and then
not even race?

You think Floyd Landis's contract disappears just because Phonak doesn't
get a Pro Tour license? The team owners know that. They are just
trying to threaten the UCI with pulling out of the sport.

But it's an idle threat.


Magilla

Frank Drackman wrote:
"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...

Hey ****heads, Landis was hired as a GC guy for the Grannd Tours. The
GT's are not a part of the Pro Tour.

So Landis could care less. As a matter of fact, Landis is now Phonak's
clear GC leader.

Always have to correct you bitches,

Magilla



Hey smart guy, I bet that Phonak isn't around for any GT without the Pro
Tour License. If they don't get the license I bet that he praying for an
escape clause hoping to leave before it becomes a total mess. He would
rather start the process now than next spring.

Your ignorance is showing again.



Hey ****hole,

The rules for selection for a Grand Tour are based on UCI points, and
have nothing to do with Pro Tour status.

The ASO doesn't want anything to do with the Pro Tour.

All that talk about Phonak not having a team if they don't get a Pro
Tour selection is just nonsense because they are obligated to pay the
riders salaries at this point regardless of whether or not they have a
team. So why would Phonak pay $1.7 million in rider salaries and then
not even race?

You think Floyd Landis's contract disappears just because Phonak doesn't
get a Pro Tour license? The team owners know that. They are just
trying to threaten the UCI with pulling out of the sport.

But it's an idle threat.


Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
All that talk about Phonak not having a team if they don't get a Pro
Tour selection is just nonsense because they are obligated to pay the
riders salaries at this point regardless of whether or not they have a
team. So why would Phonak pay $1.7 million in rider salaries and then
not even race?

You think Floyd Landis's contract disappears just because Phonak doesn't
get a Pro Tour license? The team owners know that. They are just
trying to threaten the UCI with pulling out of the sport.

But it's an idle threat.

Never rode for Horseteef, did you?

Bob Schwartz

MagillaGorilla wrote:
All that talk about Phonak not having a team if they don't get a Pro
Tour selection is just nonsense because they are obligated to pay the
riders salaries at this point regardless of whether or not they have a
team. So why would Phonak pay $1.7 million in rider salaries and then
not even race?

You think Floyd Landis's contract disappears just because Phonak doesn't
get a Pro Tour license? The team owners know that. They are just
trying to threaten the UCI with pulling out of the sport.

But it's an idle threat.

Never rode for Horseteef, did you?

Bob Schwartz

Wordin had a contractual clause to withhold salaries if a sponsor went
bankrupt. So he enforced it. In Phonak, this is not the situation - they
are saying they will pull out of the sport on their own initiative.

That doesn't relieve them of their contractual obligations to pay their
riders.

Take care,


Magilla



Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

All that talk about Phonak not having a team if they don't get a Pro
Tour selection is just nonsense because they are obligated to pay the
riders salaries at this point regardless of whether or not they have a
team. So why would Phonak pay $1.7 million in rider salaries and then
not even race?


You think Floyd Landis's contract disappears just because Phonak doesn't
get a Pro Tour license? The team owners know that. They are just
trying to threaten the UCI with pulling out of the sport.


But it's an idle threat.


Never rode for Horseteef, did you?

Bob Schwartz

Wordin had a contractual clause to withhold salaries if a sponsor went
bankrupt. So he enforced it. In Phonak, this is not the situation - they
are saying they will pull out of the sport on their own initiative.

That doesn't relieve them of their contractual obligations to pay their
riders.

Take care,


Magilla



Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

All that talk about Phonak not having a team if they don't get a Pro
Tour selection is just nonsense because they are obligated to pay the
riders salaries at this point regardless of whether or not they have a
team. So why would Phonak pay $1.7 million in rider salaries and then
not even race?


You think Floyd Landis's contract disappears just because Phonak doesn't
get a Pro Tour license? The team owners know that. They are just
trying to threaten the UCI with pulling out of the sport.


But it's an idle threat.


Never rode for Horseteef, did you?

Bob Schwartz

"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...
Frank Drackman wrote:
"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...

Hey ****heads, Landis was hired as a GC guy for the Grannd Tours. The
GT's are not a part of the Pro Tour.

So Landis could care less. As a matter of fact, Landis is now Phonak's
clear GC leader.

Always have to correct you bitches,

Magilla



Hey smart guy, I bet that Phonak isn't around for any GT without the Pro
Tour License. If they don't get the license I bet that he praying for an
escape clause hoping to leave before it becomes a total mess. He would
rather start the process now than next spring.

Your ignorance is showing again.

Hey ****hole,

The rules for selection for a Grand Tour are based on UCI points, and have
nothing to do with Pro Tour status.

The ASO doesn't want anything to do with the Pro Tour.

All that talk about Phonak not having a team if they don't get a Pro Tour
selection is just nonsense because they are obligated to pay the riders
salaries at this point regardless of whether or not they have a team. So
why would Phonak pay $1.7 million in rider salaries and then not even
race?

You think Floyd Landis's contract disappears just because Phonak doesn't
get a Pro Tour license? The team owners know that. They are just trying
to threaten the UCI with pulling out of the sport.

But it's an idle threat.


Magilla

Boy are you stupid. It is clear that you do not understand the economics of
pro bike racing or the history of GT team selections. Time for you to take
a time out.

"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...
Frank Drackman wrote:
"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...

Hey ****heads, Landis was hired as a GC guy for the Grannd Tours. The
GT's are not a part of the Pro Tour.

So Landis could care less. As a matter of fact, Landis is now Phonak's
clear GC leader.

Always have to correct you bitches,

Magilla



Hey smart guy, I bet that Phonak isn't around for any GT without the Pro
Tour License. If they don't get the license I bet that he praying for an
escape clause hoping to leave before it becomes a total mess. He would
rather start the process now than next spring.

Your ignorance is showing again.

Hey ****hole,

The rules for selection for a Grand Tour are based on UCI points, and have
nothing to do with Pro Tour status.

The ASO doesn't want anything to do with the Pro Tour.

All that talk about Phonak not having a team if they don't get a Pro Tour
selection is just nonsense because they are obligated to pay the riders
salaries at this point regardless of whether or not they have a team. So
why would Phonak pay $1.7 million in rider salaries and then not even
race?

You think Floyd Landis's contract disappears just because Phonak doesn't
get a Pro Tour license? The team owners know that. They are just trying
to threaten the UCI with pulling out of the sport.

But it's an idle threat.


Magilla

Boy are you stupid. It is clear that you do not understand the economics of
pro bike racing or the history of GT team selections. Time for you to take
a time out.

MagillaGorilla wrote in message ...
Wordin had a contractual clause to withhold salaries if a sponsor went
bankrupt. So he enforced it. In Phonak, this is not the situation - they
are saying they will pull out of the sport on their own initiative.

That doesn't relieve them of their contractual obligations to pay their
riders.

Take care,


Magilla


Phonak doesn't own the team, a sports marketing outfit does. Phonak's
contract is with the marketing company, not the riders. It's very
likely that Phonak's contract is specifically tied to the team's
ability to get entry into the big races, whether GT's or the ProTour
races.

Without that guaranteed entry by the team, Phonak takes their
checkbook and walks and the riders are left to deal with the Swiss
equivelant of Horseteef.