Stop NY's Anti-Bicycling Bill

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Sheldon Brown wrote:

An anonymous poster wrote:

Let me play devil's advocate he

1) Bicycles are used on public streets, just like cars.

So are shoes and baby carriages and wheelbarrows and rolling suitcases
and roller skates and shopping carts and skateboards. Should these be
registered too?

2) I have to register my car each year, and make sure I have proof of
registration when I drive.

Is the registration requirement for motorized vehicles "anti-car"?

Given the similar requirements for motorized vehicles, how is a
bicycle
registration requirement "anti-bicycling"?

Citizens have a common-law _right_ to use the public thoroughfares to
travel under their own power. This right has existed from time
immemorial.

When automobiles first appeared, it soon became clear that they were
unusually dangerous, and so a special licensing/registration procedures
were developed to deal with this particularly hazardous device.

Operating a motorized vehicle on the public streets is a _priviledge_,
not a right, that's why they need licenses, registration and insurance.

Baloney. The state tells you it's a privilege, that's for sure. Any why
is it? Aren't you guaranteed the right to travel on public roads?
You can walk, jog, run, wear boots, shoes, sandals, go barefoot,
ride a bicycle, roller skate, ride a tractor, skateboard, ride a motor
bike of under 48cc' (in most states) without a license, registration,
or insurance on public roads, without any interference with the
law.. Why is a car a "privilege?"

I wouldn't try any of those activities on most interstate highways. Even
though they have wide shoulders that are perfectly safe, pedestrians, bike,
etc. are all banned from using them. Many other roadways have similar use
restrictions.

GG



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"GaryG" wrote


I wouldn't try any of those activities on most interstate highways. Even
though they have wide shoulders that are perfectly safe, pedestrians,
bike,
etc. are all banned from using them.

Not always. Many interstates and other restricted access roadways allow
cycling.

Pete

"GaryG" wrote


I wouldn't try any of those activities on most interstate highways. Even
though they have wide shoulders that are perfectly safe, pedestrians,
bike,
etc. are all banned from using them.

Not always. Many interstates and other restricted access roadways allow
cycling.

Pete

"Pete" wrote in message
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"GaryG" wrote


I wouldn't try any of those activities on most interstate highways.
Even
though they have wide shoulders that are perfectly safe, pedestrians,
bike,
etc. are all banned from using them.

Not always. Many interstates and other restricted access roadways allow
cycling.

Pete


That's why I said "most". Here in California, you are permitted to ride
only on certain segments, where no reasonable alternative exists (e.g., I-5
through the Sacramento River canyon north of Redding). But, that is clearly
the exception, not the rule.

GG

"Pete" wrote in message
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"GaryG" wrote


I wouldn't try any of those activities on most interstate highways.
Even
though they have wide shoulders that are perfectly safe, pedestrians,
bike,
etc. are all banned from using them.

Not always. Many interstates and other restricted access roadways allow
cycling.

Pete


That's why I said "most". Here in California, you are permitted to ride
only on certain segments, where no reasonable alternative exists (e.g., I-5
through the Sacramento River canyon north of Redding). But, that is clearly
the exception, not the rule.

GG

"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:17:37 GMT, "Pete"
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Many interstates and other
restricted access roadways allow
cycling.

Many?

Where?

Ok...I revise that. Some.

New Jersey http://www.state.nj.us/njcommuter/html/hwyrestr.htm
Note: In New Jersey, interstate roadways are currently closed to
bicyclists; however, most sections are open by special permit issued by
NJDOT. For a permit to ride on these sections write to:

California
Parts of I-5

Colorado
Parts of I-25

I'm sure there are others.

And why are they called restricted access?

The design of the road. Access only by the on and off ramps. i.e. no
driveways, parking lots, cross streets.

Pete

"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:17:37 GMT, "Pete"
wrote:

Many interstates and other
restricted access roadways allow
cycling.

Many?

Where?

Ok...I revise that. Some.

New Jersey http://www.state.nj.us/njcommuter/html/hwyrestr.htm
Note: In New Jersey, interstate roadways are currently closed to
bicyclists; however, most sections are open by special permit issued by
NJDOT. For a permit to ride on these sections write to:

California
Parts of I-5

Colorado
Parts of I-25

I'm sure there are others.

And why are they called restricted access?

The design of the road. Access only by the on and off ramps. i.e. no
driveways, parking lots, cross streets.

Pete

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:17:37 GMT, "Pete"
wrote:

Many interstates and other
restricted access roadways allow
cycling.

Many?

Where?

And why are they called restricted access?

JT


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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:17:37 GMT, "Pete"
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Many interstates and other
restricted access roadways allow
cycling.

Many?

Where?

And why are they called restricted access?

JT


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"GaryG" wrote


That's why I said "most". Here in California, you are permitted to ride
only on certain segments, where no reasonable alternative exists (e.g.,
I-5
through the Sacramento River canyon north of Redding). But, that is
clearly
the exception, not the rule.

I misread your "all" as "banned from all interstates"

Pete