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  #31  
Old July 25th 07, 02:58 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Bruce Jensen
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Default Mountain biker killed by bear in BC

On Jul 24, 5:02 pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote:
I'm not concerned with the welfare of the bear, sorry.


I am sorry too. That is the attitude of too many people in this
world. It also carries over to other humans.

I am concerned with the outlandish lies of Michael J Vandeman that are told
in furtherance of the lie that says we should all stay at home and watch
nature programs on TV instead of getting a first-hand experience.

Mike will tell you that his agenda is bike tires, but it is really rubber.
Rubber belongs on cement, not dirt. That is Mike's real agenda.


I agree.

Bruce Jensen

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Old July 25th 07, 03:01 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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On Jul 24, 11:41 am, Anthony DeLorenzo
wrote:
On Jul 24, 8:16 am, Bruce Jensen wrote:

It sounds like the reporter was, anyway. It is very sad that the bear
was killed without haivng answered some questions. It seems like
there could have been another solution than the wild west variety
"shoot first" approach.


IMHO, RCMP made the right call to shoot the bear. At the time, they
probably couldn't be certain she was dead, and obviously the priority
was to save her life if at all possible. The bear was guarding the
kill and not letting them approach.


This was not clear from the story, although it is not an unreasonable
implication.

Look at it from the officer's perspective: The consequences of the
opposite scenario (woman bleeding to death while RCMP await a
conservation officer to tranquilize the bear) are far worse than
perhaps hastily shooting the bear.


Possibly true. Again, I wasn't there, so I cannot be sure.

Bruce Jensen

  #33  
Old July 25th 07, 03:22 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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Mike Vandeman wrote:

Your death threat is duly notes. And turned over to the authorities.


So Mikey, has anyone turned you in for the snare wire threats and traps
for bikes you advocate all the time or the water poisoning at that last
race that 'you' seem to know so damn much about??

Where is that 'homeland' security we keep hearing about?

Mike
  #34  
Old July 25th 07, 03:51 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:44:57 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:29:29 GMT, "john" wrote:

Well he's tried the "dazzle them with brilliance" route and has seen
that
it
doesn't work because, well, he's an idiot. Now he's gone to the "baffle
them with bull****" route after seeing everyone doesn't fall for how
smart
he claims he is.
I'm just getting back into the sport after a long break. And back in
the
mid/late 90's he was creeping around too. I was kind of hoping that
nature
would have taken its course and he would have been run over by a herd of
horses or cows or whatever, but no such luck. Too bad there isn't an
extermintor for this type of problem.

Your death threat is duly notes. And turned over to the authorities.


POINT OF ORDER
I don't know who Mike is talking about here, those are not my words. Since
Mike is known to cross post, my guess is that somebody replied to me and
trimmed the group he posts from ...


It's "john" . Learn to read!



Better idea, you should learn to post ...





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Old July 25th 07, 03:54 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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"Bruce Jensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jul 24, 5:02 pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote:
I'm not concerned with the welfare of the bear, sorry.


I am sorry too. That is the attitude of too many people in this
world. It also carries over to other humans.


I am not in a position to harm bears, and if there is a report that somebody
thought is was necessary then I have to take that report at face value. If
killing a bear means saving a human, then the bear dies.



I am concerned with the outlandish lies of Michael J Vandeman that are
told
in furtherance of the lie that says we should all stay at home and watch
nature programs on TV instead of getting a first-hand experience.

Mike will tell you that his agenda is bike tires, but it is really
rubber.
Rubber belongs on cement, not dirt. That is Mike's real agenda.


I agree.



You agree that it is his agenda, or you agree with his agenda?



  #36  
Old July 25th 07, 03:56 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Jeff Strickland
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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...


Alternatively, if I was the woman that they were looking for, I'm sure I
would not want to be eaten. Bears are soooooo selfish ...


BS. She was only protecting her cubs. That's UN-selfish. DUH!



You are soooo stupid! The bear we are talking about is reported to have
weighed only 120 pounds, it was a very young bear.



  #37  
Old July 25th 07, 04:11 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Bruce Jensen
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On Jul 25, 7:54 am, "Jeff Strickland" wrote:

Mike will tell you that his agenda is bike tires, but it is really
rubber.
Rubber belongs on cement, not dirt. That is Mike's real agenda.


I agree.


You agree that it is his agenda, or you agree with his agenda?


The first completely, the second partly...but I won't get into that
now, because with you I would have an intelligent discussion, but with
Mike it will turn into a spitting match.

In a furtherance of this thread's story, here is a news bulletin. It
really sheds little light on whether the cyclist was actually riding
or stationary when attacked. That could make a difference; but that
fact may never be known. In any case, it pays to be prepared in bear
country. I still find the whole thing a little suspicious, but I
wasn't there...

Bruce Jensen
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Autopsy shows bear killed cyclist

CanWest News Service
Published: Wednesday, July 25, 2007
A Calgary woman was indeed killed by a black bear as she was mountain
biking, an autopsy has found.

All signs pointed to Robin Kochorek being killed by the bear Saturday
or Sunday, but Tuesday's autopsy made it definitive.

"The pathologist confirmed the bear was responsible for her death,"
said B.C. conservation officer Paul Visentin.

The results make Kochorek the Panorama Resort area's first victim of a
fatal bear mauling. She had been found halfway down the mountain
Sunday being guarded by a small, brown-nosed black bear about half a
km off Panorama's marked trails.

Visentin said he didn't yet know whether the autopsy shed any light on
whether she was attacked from behind.

Meanwhile, at Panorama on Tuesday, Kochorek's death wasn't changing
much for any of the mountain bikers venturing into the wilderness.

The Kochorek family said they still have many questions about the 31-
year-old speech language pathologist's death, including why the
cycling trails remained open despite reports of an aggressive bear in
the vicinity on the day of the incident.

  #38  
Old July 25th 07, 10:20 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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hope your not really loking for a response from him...lol


"Mike Romain" wrote in message
g.com...
Mike Vandeman wrote:

Your death threat is duly notes. And turned over to the authorities.


So Mikey, has anyone turned you in for the snare wire threats and traps
for bikes you advocate all the time or the water poisoning at that last
race that 'you' seem to know so damn much about??

Where is that 'homeland' security we keep hearing about?

Mike



  #39  
Old July 28th 07, 04:11 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:47:03 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:
That's incredibly selfish. If you were in the bear's position, you
wouldn't want to be shot. Humans are the most selfish species in the
world....


Alternatively, if I was the woman that they were looking for, I'm sure I
would not want to be eaten. Bears are soooooo selfish ...


BS. She was only protecting her cubs. That's UN-selfish. DUH!


Guess what, retard. It didn't have any cubs. How come you didn't post on the
2 forestry workers who were attacked in the same area by a grizzly not too
long ago? Why don't you take your little vendetta and move along?



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Old August 1st 07, 09:02 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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"Jeff Strickland" wrote in
news:QrJpi.6324$2c7.5670@trnddc06:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:44:57 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:29:29 GMT, "john"
wrote:

Well he's tried the "dazzle them with brilliance" route and has
seen that
it
doesn't work because, well, he's an idiot. Now he's gone to the
"baffle them with bull****" route after seeing everyone doesn't
fall for how smart
he claims he is.
I'm just getting back into the sport after a long break. And back
in the
mid/late 90's he was creeping around too. I was kind of hoping
that nature
would have taken its course and he would have been run over by a
herd of horses or cows or whatever, but no such luck. Too bad
there isn't an extermintor for this type of problem.

Your death threat is duly notes. And turned over to the
authorities.

POINT OF ORDER
I don't know who Mike is talking about here, those are not my words.
Since Mike is known to cross post, my guess is that somebody replied
to me and trimmed the group he posts from ...


It's "john" . Learn to read!



Better idea, you should learn to post ...

Better idea. Learn not to post Mike !

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