Hypocrites: the UCI

MagillaGorilla wrote in message ...
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7201.0.html

What a joke: Cofidis gets chosen, but Phonak doesn't. Yet both Hamilton
and Perez weren't even found guilty yet.

The UCI is destroying the sport with its prejudicial actions.

Magilla

The only hypocrites here are the riders who are doping. They are
destroying the sport and they should be the last to yell when
injustice has been done to them 'cause they weren't fair themselves
against their collegues, fans and their employer.

Kenny

Steven L. Sheffield wrote:

On 11/15/2004 12:43 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:


meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


meb wrote:



snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little

to


do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion

study,


so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of

Arbitration


for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla



He gets a USADA hearing first, which is currently scheduled for January, in
Colorado.

The USADA doesn't just hand out sanctions ... they give hearings, too,
before issuing their decisions.



Hey Dumbass,

USADA DOES just hand out sanctions based on the test results (called
strict liability). There is absolutely NO HEARING involved with a USADA
suspension - you either accept it or decline it. If you decline it, the
case goes to an arbitration hearing, which will likely take place in
Denver, Colorado sometime in early 2005.

Magilla

Steven L. Sheffield wrote:

On 11/15/2004 12:43 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:


meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


meb wrote:



snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little

to


do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion

study,


so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of

Arbitration


for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla



He gets a USADA hearing first, which is currently scheduled for January, in
Colorado.

The USADA doesn't just hand out sanctions ... they give hearings, too,
before issuing their decisions.



Hey Dumbass,

USADA DOES just hand out sanctions based on the test results (called
strict liability). There is absolutely NO HEARING involved with a USADA
suspension - you either accept it or decline it. If you decline it, the
case goes to an arbitration hearing, which will likely take place in
Denver, Colorado sometime in early 2005.

Magilla

Steven L. Sheffield wrote:

On 11/15/2004 12:43 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:


meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


meb wrote:



MagillaGorilla Wrote:



meb wrote:




MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little

to


do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion

study,


so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of

Arbitration


for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla


Hamilton is under the impression it is scheduled for January:


Hamilton seems to think the USADA hearing is taking place in January:

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns



Tyler seems to have only been guessing at the month when it WOULD take
place.

The first thing that has to happen is USADA will post a press release on
their website about Hamilton, and Hamilton will have to accept or
decline their sanction.

Since that didn't happen yet, they couldn't have scheduled a CAS hearing.



I think you need to review the protocols ...

http://www.usantidoping.org/what/man...tdiagram081304.
pdf

Note, about 2/3 of the way down where he has a USADA hearing with the
American Arbitration Association in charge ... Then he can appeal the
results of his hearing to the CAS.



Hey Dumbass,

The USADA hearing you are referring to with the AAA is also known as the
Court of Arbitration for Sport (they are the same thing).

USADA has no hearing. Once you test positive they suspend you
immediately with no hearing whatsoever. All an athlete can do is accpet
or decline the suspension.


Magilla

Steven L. Sheffield wrote:

On 11/15/2004 12:43 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:


meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


meb wrote:



MagillaGorilla Wrote:



meb wrote:




MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little

to


do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion

study,


so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of

Arbitration


for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla


Hamilton is under the impression it is scheduled for January:


Hamilton seems to think the USADA hearing is taking place in January:

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns



Tyler seems to have only been guessing at the month when it WOULD take
place.

The first thing that has to happen is USADA will post a press release on
their website about Hamilton, and Hamilton will have to accept or
decline their sanction.

Since that didn't happen yet, they couldn't have scheduled a CAS hearing.



I think you need to review the protocols ...

http://www.usantidoping.org/what/man...tdiagram081304.
pdf

Note, about 2/3 of the way down where he has a USADA hearing with the
American Arbitration Association in charge ... Then he can appeal the
results of his hearing to the CAS.



Hey Dumbass,

The USADA hearing you are referring to with the AAA is also known as the
Court of Arbitration for Sport (they are the same thing).

USADA has no hearing. Once you test positive they suspend you
immediately with no hearing whatsoever. All an athlete can do is accpet
or decline the suspension.


Magilla

Kenny wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote in message ...

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7201.0.html

What a joke: Cofidis gets chosen, but Phonak doesn't. Yet both Hamilton
and Perez weren't even found guilty yet.

The UCI is destroying the sport with its prejudicial actions.

Magilla


The only hypocrites here are the riders who are doping. They are
destroying the sport and they should be the last to yell when
injustice has been done to them 'cause they weren't fair themselves
against their collegues, fans and their employer.

Kenny

Wrong. Innocent riders do have a right to complain.

Thanks,

Magilla

Kenny wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote in message ...

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7201.0.html

What a joke: Cofidis gets chosen, but Phonak doesn't. Yet both Hamilton
and Perez weren't even found guilty yet.

The UCI is destroying the sport with its prejudicial actions.

Magilla


The only hypocrites here are the riders who are doping. They are
destroying the sport and they should be the last to yell when
injustice has been done to them 'cause they weren't fair themselves
against their collegues, fans and their employer.

Kenny

Wrong. Innocent riders do have a right to complain.

Thanks,

Magilla

On 11/15/2004 08:56 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:


Hey Dumbass,

The USADA hearing you are referring to with the AAA is also known as the
Court of Arbitration for Sport (they are the same thing).

USADA has no hearing. Once you test positive they suspend you
immediately with no hearing whatsoever. All an athlete can do is accpet
or decline the suspension.



No ...

If you return positive lab results, a Review Board is established to examine
the results.

The Review Board shall consider the written information submitted to it and
shall, by majority vote, make a signed, written recommendation to USADA with
a copy to the athlete or other person whether or not there is sufficient
evidence of doping to proceed with the adjudication process.

Following receipt of the Review Board recommendation, USADA shall notify the
athlete or other person in writing whether USADA considers the matter closed
or alternatively what specific charges or alleged violations will be
adjudicated and what sanction, consistent with Annex A, IF rules or the USOC
ADP, USADA is SEEKING to have imposed.

*** NOTE: It says "seeking to have imposed", not "is imposing" or "will be
imposed" ***

Within ten (10) days following the date of such notice, the athlete or other
person must notify USADA in writing if he or she desires a hearing to
contest the sanction sought by USADA.

The hearing will take place in the United States before the American
Arbitration Association ("AAA") using the Supplementary Procedures. The
parties will be USADA and the athlete or other person. USADA shall also
invite the applicable IF and WADA to participate either as a party or as an
observer.

The final decision by the AAA/CAS arbitrator(s) may be appealed to the Court
of Arbitration for Sport ("CAS").


In other words, you stupid, illiterate, anonymous cocksucking pussy, the
person returning a positive test is NOT suspended unless/until they either
a) accept the suspension, or b) have a hearing in which the USADA is one of
the parties.



--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 11/15/2004 08:56 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:


Hey Dumbass,

The USADA hearing you are referring to with the AAA is also known as the
Court of Arbitration for Sport (they are the same thing).

USADA has no hearing. Once you test positive they suspend you
immediately with no hearing whatsoever. All an athlete can do is accpet
or decline the suspension.



No ...

If you return positive lab results, a Review Board is established to examine
the results.

The Review Board shall consider the written information submitted to it and
shall, by majority vote, make a signed, written recommendation to USADA with
a copy to the athlete or other person whether or not there is sufficient
evidence of doping to proceed with the adjudication process.

Following receipt of the Review Board recommendation, USADA shall notify the
athlete or other person in writing whether USADA considers the matter closed
or alternatively what specific charges or alleged violations will be
adjudicated and what sanction, consistent with Annex A, IF rules or the USOC
ADP, USADA is SEEKING to have imposed.

*** NOTE: It says "seeking to have imposed", not "is imposing" or "will be
imposed" ***

Within ten (10) days following the date of such notice, the athlete or other
person must notify USADA in writing if he or she desires a hearing to
contest the sanction sought by USADA.

The hearing will take place in the United States before the American
Arbitration Association ("AAA") using the Supplementary Procedures. The
parties will be USADA and the athlete or other person. USADA shall also
invite the applicable IF and WADA to participate either as a party or as an
observer.

The final decision by the AAA/CAS arbitrator(s) may be appealed to the Court
of Arbitration for Sport ("CAS").


In other words, you stupid, illiterate, anonymous cocksucking pussy, the
person returning a positive test is NOT suspended unless/until they either
a) accept the suspension, or b) have a hearing in which the USADA is one of
the parties.



--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

MagillaGorilla wrote in message ...
Kenny wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote in message ...

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7201.0.html

What a joke: Cofidis gets chosen, but Phonak doesn't. Yet both Hamilton
and Perez weren't even found guilty yet.

The UCI is destroying the sport with its prejudicial actions.

Magilla


The only hypocrites here are the riders who are doping. They are
destroying the sport and they should be the last to yell when
injustice has been done to them 'cause they weren't fair themselves
against their collegues, fans and their employer.

Kenny

Wrong. Innocent riders do have a right to complain.

Thanks,

Magilla

Can you be more naive?

Kenny