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Op dinsdag 18 mei 2021 om 04:53:45 UTC+2 schreef James:
On 18/5/21 10:22 am, jbeattie wrote: BTW, your garage operating room is again impressive. I wouldn't know how to work in such a clean, well organized and lighted space. It would be disorienting. I'm acclimated to the dim, industrial revolution feel of my garage and basement shop. That's a garage? I thought it was Lou's kitchen! -- JS At the moment it is the repair shop of my dryer: https://photos.app.goo.gl/DfgedkfM7euUvgo28 Lou, waiting for parts. |
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On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Op maandag 17 mei 2021 om 19:39:41 UTC+2 schreef : Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and heavy seatpack - 20.8 My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs. As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light. I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare. With off the shelf parts 2014 and a heavy saddle: https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8frpRqH5fuj2tuA6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/PMxriEU7B8VVnMieA Still my climbing bike, According to those here you are taking your life in your hands with a fatigue prone titanium bike that weighs in under 15 lbs. |
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On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:42:19 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-7, wrote: Op maandag 17 mei 2021 om 19:39:41 UTC+2 schreef : Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and heavy seatpack - 20.8 My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs. As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight penalty.. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light. I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare. With off the shelf parts 2014 and a heavy saddle: https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8frpRqH5fuj2tuA6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/PMxriEU7B8VVnMieA Still my climbing bike, According to those here you are taking your life in your hands with a fatigue prone titanium bike that weighs in under 15 lbs. Who said that? Moreover, Lou's Ti Moots gravel bike probably comes in closer to 18lbs, assuming he has some reasonably fat tires on it. His 15lb bike is a Canyon CF road bike. What people said is NOT that modern Ti is failure prone but that it is not immune from failure as you said. Like any other material, it can fail for a number of reasons -- and failures can occur after infancy. I do not know where Ti stands in terms of failure rate compared to aluminum, steel and CF, but I would assume well made Ti frames have a lower failure rate than steel or aluminum because of the character of the metals and their fatigue limits. Ti is a nice material, and I don't think anyone disputes that here. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:05:44 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:42:19 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-7, wrote: Op maandag 17 mei 2021 om 19:39:41 UTC+2 schreef : Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and heavy seatpack - 20.8 My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs. As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light. I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare. With off the shelf parts 2014 and a heavy saddle: https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8frpRqH5fuj2tuA6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/PMxriEU7B8VVnMieA Still my climbing bike, According to those here you are taking your life in your hands with a fatigue prone titanium bike that weighs in under 15 lbs. Who said that? Moreover, Lou's Ti Moots gravel bike probably comes in closer to 18lbs, assuming he has some reasonably fat tires on it. His 15lb bike is a Canyon CF road bike. What people said is NOT that modern Ti is failure prone but that it is not immune from failure as you said. Like any other material, it can fail for a number of reasons -- and failures can occur after infancy. I do not know where Ti stands in terms of failure rate compared to aluminum, steel and CF, but I would assume well made Ti frames have a lower failure rate than steel or aluminum because of the character of the metals and their fatigue limits. Ti is a nice material, and I don't think anyone disputes that here. Jay, we've just gone through this entire charade of titanium being as fatigue prone as anything else. We don't get actual fatigue failures unless a material is stressed to 90% or so of its maximum strength repeatedly. Carbon fiber doesn't even have a fatigue limit but the resin does and it is fairly low. Titanium in most cases doesn't get anywhere near the required stress limits to fatigue since it is so damned strong to begin with. This is why I said that if the Ti frameset doesn't fail in the first month or so it will last virtually forever. I CAN see someone building a Ti frame that is so thin and light that you could cause fatigue failures but that would be a very expensive way to save 2 ounces. |
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Op dinsdag 18 mei 2021 om 17:05:44 UTC+2 schreef jbeattie:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:42:19 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-7, wrote: Op maandag 17 mei 2021 om 19:39:41 UTC+2 schreef : Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and heavy seatpack - 20.8 My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs. As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light. I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare. With off the shelf parts 2014 and a heavy saddle: https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8frpRqH5fuj2tuA6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/PMxriEU7B8VVnMieA Still my climbing bike, According to those here you are taking your life in your hands with a fatigue prone titanium bike that weighs in under 15 lbs. Who said that? Moreover, Lou's Ti Moots gravel bike probably comes in closer to 18lbs, assuming he has some reasonably fat tires on it. His 15lb bike is a Canyon CF road bike. What people said is NOT that modern Ti is failure prone but that it is not immune from failure as you said. Like any other material, it can fail for a number of reasons -- and failures can occur after infancy. I do not know where Ti stands in terms of failure rate compared to aluminum, steel and CF, but I would assume well made Ti frames have a lower failure rate than steel or aluminum because of the character of the metals and their fatigue limits. Ti is a nice material, and I don't think anyone disputes that here. -- Jay Beattie. My Ti Moots is 9.6 kg with 37 mm gravel tires and 9.3 kg with 32 mm Continental GP 5000 road tires. My Aeroad is 7.25 kg. All weights including pedals and 2 bottle cages. Lou |
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On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:38:32 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Op dinsdag 18 mei 2021 om 17:05:44 UTC+2 schreef jbeattie: On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:42:19 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-7, wrote: Op maandag 17 mei 2021 om 19:39:41 UTC+2 schreef : Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and heavy seatpack - 20.8 My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs. As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light. I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare. With off the shelf parts 2014 and a heavy saddle: https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8frpRqH5fuj2tuA6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/PMxriEU7B8VVnMieA Still my climbing bike, According to those here you are taking your life in your hands with a fatigue prone titanium bike that weighs in under 15 lbs. Who said that? Moreover, Lou's Ti Moots gravel bike probably comes in closer to 18lbs, assuming he has some reasonably fat tires on it. His 15lb bike is a Canyon CF road bike. What people said is NOT that modern Ti is failure prone but that it is not immune from failure as you said. Like any other material, it can fail for a number of reasons -- and failures can occur after infancy. I do not know where Ti stands in terms of failure rate compared to aluminum, steel and CF, but I would assume well made Ti frames have a lower failure rate than steel or aluminum because of the character of the metals and their fatigue limits. Ti is a nice material, and I don't think anyone disputes that here. -- Jay Beattie. My Ti Moots is 9.6 kg with 37 mm gravel tires and 9.3 kg with 32 mm Continental GP 5000 road tires. My Aeroad is 7.25 kg. All weights including pedals and 2 bottle cages. I must have misread your scale which I thought showed 6.64 kg. |
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Op dinsdag 18 mei 2021 om 17:54:57 UTC+2 schreef :
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:38:32 AM UTC-7, wrote: Op dinsdag 18 mei 2021 om 17:05:44 UTC+2 schreef jbeattie: On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:42:19 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-7, wrote: Op maandag 17 mei 2021 om 19:39:41 UTC+2 schreef : Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and heavy seatpack - 20.8 My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs. As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light. I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare. With off the shelf parts 2014 and a heavy saddle: https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8frpRqH5fuj2tuA6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/PMxriEU7B8VVnMieA Still my climbing bike, According to those here you are taking your life in your hands with a fatigue prone titanium bike that weighs in under 15 lbs. Who said that? Moreover, Lou's Ti Moots gravel bike probably comes in closer to 18lbs, assuming he has some reasonably fat tires on it. His 15lb bike is a Canyon CF road bike. What people said is NOT that modern Ti is failure prone but that it is not immune from failure as you said. Like any other material, it can fail for a number of reasons -- and failures can occur after infancy. I do not know where Ti stands in terms of failure rate compared to aluminum, steel and CF, but I would assume well made Ti frames have a lower failure rate than steel or aluminum because of the character of the metals and their fatigue limits. Ti is a nice material, and I don't think anyone disputes that here. -- Jay Beattie. My Ti Moots is 9.6 kg with 37 mm gravel tires and 9.3 kg with 32 mm Continental GP 5000 road tires. My Aeroad is 7.25 kg. All weights including pedals and 2 bottle cages. I must have misread your scale which I thought showed 6.64 kg. You didn't misread my scale, but that was for my Canyon Ultimate CF SLX (6.64 kg) . That is a different bike than my Canyon Aeroad CF SLX (7.25 kg). Lou |
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On 5/17/21 10:39 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and heavy seatpack - 20.8 My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs. As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light. I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare. My road bike and the MTB are each between 30-40lbs depending on destination. With full tool kit, first aid gear, pump, big lighting battery, tow rope (no joke ...), sturdy lock, MP3 player and often more than a gallon or water. Sometimes also a bottle of homebrew beer plus sandwiches. Considering that I weigh 210lbs myself it all doesn't really matter. Interestingly I have so far only used the tools and first aid for others and they were not always cyclist. Pumping up a motorcycle tire with a pocket rocket pump is serious exercise. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Tue, 18 May 2021 06:38:23 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
wrote: Op dinsdag 18 mei 2021 om 04:53:45 UTC+2 schreef James: On 18/5/21 10:22 am, jbeattie wrote: BTW, your garage operating room is again impressive. I wouldn't know how to work in such a clean, well organized and lighted space. It would be disorienting. I'm acclimated to the dim, industrial revolution feel of my garage and basement shop. That's a garage? I thought it was Lou's kitchen! -- JS At the moment it is the repair shop of my dryer: https://photos.app.goo.gl/DfgedkfM7euUvgo28 Lou, waiting for parts. I think I see the problem with the dryer. Such dryers were not designed to operate in a clean room environment. They work best when fed a diet of lint and dust. I suggest you prime your dryer with these ingredients and see if it magically recovers. My compliments on having and maintaining a very nice and clean shop. I wish I could do the same. At this time, my former home workshop and lab are both full of junk. I'm relegated to doing repairs outdoors, on my deck. When that fills with junk, my next move will be to do repairs on my flat roof. -- Jeff Liebermann PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Op dinsdag 18 mei 2021 om 19:04:53 UTC+2 schreef :
On Tue, 18 May 2021 06:38:23 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman wrote: Op dinsdag 18 mei 2021 om 04:53:45 UTC+2 schreef James: On 18/5/21 10:22 am, jbeattie wrote: BTW, your garage operating room is again impressive. I wouldn't know how to work in such a clean, well organized and lighted space. It would be disorienting. I'm acclimated to the dim, industrial revolution feel of my garage and basement shop. That's a garage? I thought it was Lou's kitchen! -- JS At the moment it is the repair shop of my dryer: https://photos.app.goo.gl/DfgedkfM7euUvgo28 Lou, waiting for parts. I think I see the problem with the dryer. Such dryers were not designed to operate in a clean room environment. They work best when fed a diet of lint and dust. I suggest you prime your dryer with these ingredients and see if it magically recovers. The problem is the suppression capacitor (is that correct English?) and the heater. New heater arrived an hour ago. https://photos.app.goo.gl/puAn2wC9jP9jKVVX9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/UA5zdKVFGF2ttDQ58 My compliments on having and maintaining a very nice and clean shop. I wish I could do the same. At this time, my former home workshop and lab are both full of junk. I'm relegated to doing repairs outdoors, on my deck. When that fills with junk, my next move will be to do repairs on my flat roof. I'm not a collector. That helps. Lou |
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