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Old September 5th 07, 05:04 AM posted to aus.bicycle
vaudegiant[_14_]
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Well in typical Melbourne style, an idea for just 1 lousy day without
cars in some parts of the city, as part of the sustainability festival,
has been junked by the new Premier for Business and his underling, the
Minister for Roads and Business.

'http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/melbournes-carfree-day-in-doubt/2007/09/05/1188783286490.html'
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The Government is concerned that closure of council controlled roads in the CBD would mean chaos for major Government-managed feeder roads.
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Um........too late.


Mr Brumby also used the idea to belittle the Greens in the lead up to
by-elections in Albert Park and Williamstown. He said it was typical of
the kind of ill-conceived schemes they support.


Like privatatised public transport, redundant freeways, East-west
tunnels, 3 billion dollar de-sal plants......

The idea has also been opposed by business powerbrokers.


You are kidding, aren't you??


" A possible ban on cars in Melbourne's CBD, even for a day, would cause
chaos for Melbourne businesses and consumers," Victorian Employers
Chamber of Commerce and Industry (VECCI) chief executive Wayne
Kayler-Thomson said.


....unless those consumers were walking and riding. Oh that's right,
peds and cyclists are unpeople.

Yes, I am p. off.


Pat


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Old September 5th 07, 08:11 AM posted to aus.bicycle
Gish
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With all due respect to the environmentally conscious, you are nuts.

Had you considered urgent deliveries that require trucks, cars or
refrigerated vehicles?
(Food for hotels, blood for pathology results, Large furniture, desks,
ambulances, fire-trucks... the list goes on...)
Logistically, managing, publishing and understanding the list of
'exclusions' to the rule would take months, if not years to organize
just for 'one day'.

Have you ever tried carrying a 2x2 meter boardroom table on a bicycle,
or a tram?
What if you needed your blood results transferred urgently, or a
newborn baby that needs life support.

Although I admit, it seems like a great idea for promoting a
sustainability festival (at least until you pull your head out of the
clouds and your brain on)

I would like to para-phrase what Wayne said:
A possible ban on cars in Melbourne's CBD, even for a day, would cause
chaos for Melbourne businesses and consumers," Victorian Employers
Chamber of Commerce and Industry (VECCI) chief executive Wayne Kayler-
Thomson said.

I think what was meant by that statement was:
"Get your head out of the clouds, you are nuts. That idea is
completely insane, and I am now dumber for listening... Damn hippie."

Before you begin your 'hate the realist' bashing, I do respect the
environment. I car pool, bike or public transport if possible. I avoid
long journeys and chose my job with the intention of lessening impact
on the already damaged environment.

Thats my rant for the day...




On Sep 5, 2:04 pm, vaudegiant vaudegiant.2wf...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com wrote:
Well in typical Melbourne style, an idea for just 1 lousy day without
cars in some parts of the city, as part of the sustainability festival,
has been junked by the new Premier for Business and his underling, the
Minister for Roads and Business.

'http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/melbournes-carfree-day-in-doub...
(http://)

Code:
--------------------
The Government is concerned that closure of council controlled roads in the CBD would mean chaos for major Government-managed feeder roads.
--------------------

Um........too late.

Mr Brumby also used the idea to belittle the Greens in the lead up to
by-elections in Albert Park and Williamstown. He said it was typical of
the kind of ill-conceived schemes they support.


Like privatatised public transport, redundant freeways, East-west
tunnels, 3 billion dollar de-sal plants......

The idea has also been opposed by business powerbrokers.


You are kidding, aren't you??

" A possible ban on cars in Melbourne's CBD, even for a day, would cause

chaos for Melbourne businesses and consumers," Victorian Employers
Chamber of Commerce and Industry (VECCI) chief executive Wayne
Kayler-Thomson said.


...unless those consumers were walking and riding. Oh that's right,
peds and cyclists are unpeople.

Yes, I am p. off.



Pat

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Old September 5th 07, 09:14 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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Gish Wrote:
With all due respect to the environmentally conscious, you are nuts.

Had you considered urgent deliveries that require trucks, cars or
refrigerated vehicles?
(Food for hotels, blood for pathology results, Large furniture, desks,
ambulances, fire-trucks... the list goes on...)
Logistically, managing, publishing and understanding the list of
'exclusions' to the rule would take months, if not years to organize
just for 'one day'.


If it's *completely* escaped your attention, Car Free Days have been
around for over 40 years and civilisation hasn't shuddered to a
crashing halt.

Have a gander at this & learn a thing or two:
Bogota Shows How to Reinvent Cities
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007...a_shows_ho.php

A few more linkies:

Sydney: Centennial Park
http://www.cp.nsw.gov.au/visitor_inf.../car_free_days

Car-free days considered in run-up to Beijing Olympics
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...07/1782680.htm

National Car Free Day Links:
http://www.ecoplan.org/carfreeday/general/national.htm

Canada Car Free Day:
http://www.carfreeday.ca/

European Mobility Week:
http://www.mobilityweek.eu/

BTW there's a virtual car free week going on in Sydney sponspored by
APEC, are you going to crack it over that too?


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Old September 5th 07, 10:53 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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Hello, cfsmtb!
You wrote on Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:14:30 +1000:


c Gish Wrote:
?? With all due respect to the environmentally conscious, you are nuts.
??
?? Had you considered urgent deliveries that require trucks, cars or
?? refrigerated vehicles?
?? (Food for hotels, blood for pathology results, Large furniture, desks,
?? ambulances, fire-trucks... the list goes on...)
?? Logistically, managing, publishing and understanding the list of
?? 'exclusions' to the rule would take months, if not years to organize
?? just for 'one day'.

c If it's *completely* escaped your attention, Car Free Days have been
c around for over 40 years and civilisation hasn't shuddered to a
c crashing halt.

c Have a gander at this & learn a thing or two:
c Bogota Shows How to Reinvent Cities
c http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007...a_shows_ho.php

c A few more linkies:

c Sydney: Centennial Park
c http://www.cp.nsw.gov.au/visitor_inf.../car_free_days

c Car-free days considered in run-up to Beijing Olympics
c http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...07/1782680.htm

c National Car Free Day Links:
c http://www.ecoplan.org/carfreeday/general/national.htm

c Canada Car Free Day:
c http://www.carfreeday.ca/

c European Mobility Week:
c http://www.mobilityweek.eu/

c BTW there's a virtual car free week going on in Sydney sponspored by
c APEC, are you going to crack it over that too?

And Melbournes done it before too thats how the Burke st mall got started.


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Old September 5th 07, 11:01 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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Gish wrote:
With all due respect to the environmentally conscious, you are nuts.

Had you considered urgent deliveries that require trucks, cars or
refrigerated vehicles?


Lol, 4 letters, APEC.
Sydney was fscked over this morning for APEC prelims.
Woosh, your argument has left over embarrissment.

(Food for hotels,


**** poor planning does not constitute an emergency on my part.



blood for pathology results, Large furniture, desks,
ambulances, fire-trucks... the list goes on...)


Lol. not everything requires a massive truck to move.


Logistically, managing, publishing and understanding the list of
'exclusions' to the rule would take months, if not years to organize
just for 'one day'.

Have you ever tried carrying a 2x2 meter boardroom table on a bicycle,


Easy. How much are you going to stump up to see it done?


or a tram?
What if you needed your blood results transferred urgently, or a
newborn baby that needs life support.


lol, from where to where.
" RESULTS" can be transmitted electronically as they are actually and
regularly done these days in an emergency. My wife had a CT scan sent to
Melbourne from Wagga and results were back in an hour.

and result

Although I admit, it seems like a great idea for promoting a
sustainability festival (at least until you pull your head out of the
clouds and your brain on)


Do you mind if we don't wait for you to do it?


I would like to para-phrase what Wayne said:
A possible ban on cars in Melbourne's CBD, even for a day, would cause
chaos for Melbourne businesses and consumers," Victorian Employers
Chamber of Commerce and Industry (VECCI) chief executive Wayne Kayler-
Thomson said.


lol, "they would say that" They might have to consider other people for
a change.
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Old September 6th 07, 01:23 AM posted to aus.bicycle
Theo Bekkers
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cfsmtb wrote:

If it's *completely* escaped your attention, Car Free Days have been
around for over 40 years and civilisation hasn't shuddered to a
crashing halt.


In the interest of fairness, will there be a bicycle free day as well? Or a
pedestrian free day?

Theo


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Old September 6th 07, 01:47 AM posted to aus.bicycle
Stuart Lamble[_30_]
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On 2007-09-06, Theo Bekkers wrote:
cfsmtb wrote:

If it's *completely* escaped your attention, Car Free Days have been
around for over 40 years and civilisation hasn't shuddered to a
crashing halt.


In the interest of fairness, will there be a bicycle free day as well? Or a
pedestrian free day?


One of these things is not like the other ...

Bicycle free, I could see. Pedestrian free, not so much.

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Old September 6th 07, 01:51 AM posted to aus.bicycle
Theo Bekkers
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Stuart Lamble wrote:
Theo Bekkers wrote:


In the interest of fairness, will there be a bicycle free day as
well? Or a pedestrian free day?


One of these things is not like the other ...

Bicycle free, I could see. Pedestrian free, not so much.


Well, I believe they're trialing a pleb free week in parts of Sydney at the
moment.

Theo


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Old September 6th 07, 02:14 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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On Sep 6, 10:51 am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
Stuart Lamble wrote:
Theo Bekkers wrote:
In the interest of fairness, will there be a bicycle free day as
well? Or a pedestrian free day?

One of these things is not like the other ...


Bicycle free, I could see. Pedestrian free, not so much.


Well, I believe they're trialing a pleb free week in parts of Sydney at the
moment.

Theo


I want my free car! (I wouldn't want to pay for the goddam thing).

Donga

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Old September 6th 07, 03:03 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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Donga Wrote:


I want my free car! (I wouldn't want to pay for the goddam thing).

DongaI want to be -free- of cars ... when I'm in the CBD, *-private-* cars

that is... I see no problem with smaller innner city special cabs,
commuter buses, trams and smaller delivery vans / bicycles, ...as for
trucks, fine, between about 10pm and 5am... move construction materials
and heavy goods late at night with some aforethought and planning, and
work the cycles of businesses around that too, we are lazy thinkers in
todays business if we expect to keep doing the same things, because as
you have heard, I'm sure, we will keep getting the same results,
nothing will improve or change...

shake up the tree I say... and lets get some sense into inner city
transport solutions, choices and outcomes.

Start with a congestion levy and then stage out private cars
altogether.

'Bogota, Gothenburg, Grainger Town newcastle UK, Stockholm'
(http://www.joburg.org.za/citichat/20..._citichat.stm),
'Curatibo'
(http://www.solutions-site.org/artman...ticle_62.shtml) can do
it, London and Singapore manage better now than ever, and inner parts
of many European cities and towns can thank their ancient small street
designs for their car free byways...and do the businesses suffer, not
likely...many thrive because of this practical transport choice, less
hustle, more people able to freely mingle, shop, work and enjoy life,
not stress out and want to escape.

I see parallels in when many country towns are given main road
bypasses, they cease to become thoroughfares, and become highly
desirable destinations with a renewed sense of community and
revitalisation of their econcomies in ways many of the locals never
dreamed.... it just takes some smarts and some guts to get the short
sighted detractors and the selfish onside...


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