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Old March 27th 09, 07:40 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Traffic Cameras: The Sheep are Fighting Back!

You'd assume that the American people would get ****ed when Big
Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at
airports, or when their telephones are tapped and their emails are
being checked, but NO, they are only concerned about the traffic
cameras that do indeed a great job of calming traffic and making a
little bit safer for those at the bottom of the food chain like
cyclists and pedestrians...

The right of the predator to run wild is sacred, but the right of the
prey to be safe is not. Funny sheep, they are so easily manipulated.


"The village of Schaumburg, Ill., installed a camera at Woodfield Mall
last November to film cars that were running red lights, then used the
footage to issue citations. Results were astonishing. The town issued
$1 million in fines in just three months.

But drivers caught by the unforgiving enforcement -- which mainly
snared those who didn't come to a full stop before turning right on
red -- exploded in anger. Many vowed to stop shopping at the mall
unless the camera was turned off. The village stopped monitoring right
turns at the intersection in January.

Once a rarity, traffic cameras are filming away across the country.
And they're not just focusing their sights on red-light runners. The
latest technology includes cameras that keep tabs on highways to catch
speeders in the act and infrared license-plate readers that nab ticket
and tax scofflaws."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1238...?mod=yhoofront

NOTE: Traffic cameras are common in Europe, where people get
rebellious about other stuff.


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Old March 27th 09, 10:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Ryan Cousineau
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Default Traffic Cameras: The Sheep are Fighting Back!

In article
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ComandanteBanana wrote:

Once a rarity, traffic cameras are filming away across the country.
And they're not just focusing their sights on red-light runners. The
latest technology includes cameras that keep tabs on highways to catch
speeders in the act and infrared license-plate readers that nab ticket
and tax scofflaws."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1238...?mod=yhoofront

NOTE: Traffic cameras are common in Europe, where people get
rebellious about other stuff.


http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2b.htm

Not all of those are necessarily vandalism, but the Britons are doing a
fair bit of violence to the speed cameras among them.

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Old March 29th 09, 11:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Traffic Cameras: The Sheep are Fighting Back!

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:40:16 -0700, ComandanteBanana wrote:
You'd assume that the American people would get ****ed when Big Brother
puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at airports,
or when their telephones are tapped and their emails are being checked,
but NO, they are only concerned about the traffic cameras that do indeed
a great job of calming traffic and making a little bit safer for those
at the bottom of the food chain like cyclists and pedestrians...


It's because the other invasions of privacy are justified as being
necessary to prevent terrorism. If someone with a good enough imagination
made people believe the red light cameras prevented terrorism then they
would have no difficulty leaving them there generating revenue.

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Old March 29th 09, 06:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Tom Keats
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Default Traffic Cameras: The Sheep are Fighting Back!

In article ,
Brown Cat writes:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:40:16 -0700, ComandanteBanana wrote:
You'd assume that the American people would get ****ed when Big Brother
puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at airports,
or when their telephones are tapped and their emails are being checked,
but NO, they are only concerned about the traffic cameras that do indeed
a great job of calming traffic and making a little bit safer for those
at the bottom of the food chain like cyclists and pedestrians...


It's because the other invasions of privacy are justified as being
necessary to prevent terrorism. If someone with a good enough imagination
made people believe the red light cameras prevented terrorism then they
would have no difficulty leaving them there generating revenue.


Drivers who ignore traffic lights ~are~ terrorists.

If people were smart and sociable enough to understand
the basic right-of-way conventions, we wouldn't even
need traffic lights!

As it now stands, traffic law is dumbed-down to
almost the lowest common denominator of idiocy.
I say "almost" because I've seen even greater
depths of antisocial idiocy plombed upon the iters.

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Old March 30th 09, 05:03 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Traffic Cameras: The Sheep are Fighting Back!

taking pictures and mailing out tickets is such a half-assed
process... laser cannons would be the real deal.
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Old March 31st 09, 05:02 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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Old March 31st 09, 06:28 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Traffic Cameras: The Sheep are Fighting Back!

traffic cameras are only the visible tip of the iceberg.
Most cars come with black boxes that record your driving behavior and
are used in accident investigation.
Cars can be tracked using on-star or lojack.
Cars, and you, can be tracked using your cell phone.
London uses cameras to record license plates so then can send out
bills for driving in certain parts of town. (Congestion fees).
Illinois tollways use cameras to fine those without i-pass units (or
malfunctioning units).
Homeland Security has been monitoring phone calls & emails since 911.
Your boss/company has records of every web site you visit at work.

Red light cams to fight terrorism? No way, money is the reason. The
cops will say it's to reduce accidents but it affects their budgets.
How many politicians have said they need new, creative ways of
generating revenue. The biggest problem with red light cams is they
are mostly put in by private companies that get a cut and there is no
appeal process.
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Old April 18th 09, 12:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Default Traffic Cameras: The Sheep are Fighting Back!

Rick wrote:
:: traffic cameras are only the visible tip of the iceberg.
:: Most cars come with black boxes that record your driving behavior and
:: are used in accident investigation.

Nope. That's just something imaginary under discussion. If you think
otherwise, Prove it!


: Cars can be tracked using on-star or lojack.

Only if the owner pays for the service!


:: Cars, and you, can be tracked using your cell phone.

This isn't CSI, Rick. When you dial 911 with a cell phone they can't even
tell where you are! You have to tell them!

:: London uses cameras to record license plates so then can send out
:: bills for driving in certain parts of town. (Congestion fees).
:: Illinois tollways use cameras to fine those without i-pass units (or
:: malfunctioning units).

All lawful.

:: Homeland Security has been monitoring phone calls & emails since 911.

Some, not all phone calls. Thank George Bush for that illegal activity.



:: Your boss/company has records of every web site you visit at work.

Only if they pay for the software and install it. Not everyone does that.

::
:: Red light cams to fight terrorism? No way, money is the reason. The
:: cops will say it's to reduce accidents but it affects their budgets.

bottom line: it changes the way people drive, ergo, reducing accidents.

:: How many politicians have said they need new, creative ways of
:: generating revenue. The biggest problem with red light cams is they
:: are mostly put in by private companies that get a cut and there is no
:: appeal process.

All you have to do is NOT SPEED through an intersection on a red light.
Simple.

Pat in TX


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Old April 20th 09, 07:20 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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http://www.kpho.com/traffic/19225588/detail.html

Police: Arrest Made In Photo-Radar Shooting

POSTED: 10:50 pm MST April 19, 2009
UPDATED: 10:24 am MST April 20, 2009

PHOENIX -- Police have arrested a man in connection with the shooting
of a photo-radar van operator Sunday night, according to the Phoenix
Police Department.

According to department spokesman Sgt. Andy Hill, the department and
the Arizona Department of Public Safety will hold a joint news
conference Monday afternoon to announce more details of the arrest.

In the meantime, photo-radar vans have been yanked off Arizona
highways as DPS and Phoenix police investigate the shooting, according
to Redflex Traffic Systems Inc. CEO Karen Finley.

The 911 call came into DPS at 8:52 p.m. Sunday.

DPS said the driver, Doug Georgianni, 51, was shot multiple times
while sitting in the marked van parked on the eastbound side of Loop
101.

Georgianni was taken to John C. Lincoln Hospital, where he was
pronounced dead, DPS said.

DPS said Georgianni had been working for RedFlex Traffic Systems Inc.
as a driver technician for three months. RedFlex is under contract
with DPS to operate the photo-radar systems, which are used to catch
speeders and red-light runners.

"The entire Redflex family is grief-stricken for Doug and his loved
ones," Finley said. "We will continue to dedicate every resource to
work with the police to help identify and apprehend the person who
took Doug's life.

Phoenix police described the shooter as a white male in his 60s with a
thin face, unkempt white hair and a white mustache.

He was driving a two-toned white and gray 1980s-model Chevy Suburban
with black rims and tires and a roof rack, police said. Investigators
believe the shooter left the crime scene traveling south on Seventh
Street.

Police are asking anyone with information to call Silent Witness at
480-948-6377.

Reporter Omadelle Nelson contributed to this story.
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Old April 22nd 09, 02:51 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Traffic Cameras: The Sheep are Fighting Back!

On Mar 31, 1:28*pm, Rick wrote:
traffic cameras are only the visible tip of the iceberg.
Most cars come with black boxes that record your driving behavior and
are used in accident investigation.
Cars can be tracked using on-star or lojack.
Cars, and you, can be tracked using your cell phone.
London uses cameras to record license plates so then can send out
bills for driving in certain parts of town. (Congestion fees).
Illinois tollways use cameras to fine those without i-pass units (or
malfunctioning units).
Homeland Security has been monitoring phone calls & emails since 911.
Your boss/company has records of every web site you visit at work.

Red light cams to fight terrorism? *No way, money is the reason. *The
cops will say it's to reduce accidents but it affects their budgets.
How many politicians have said they need new, creative ways of
generating revenue. *The biggest problem with red light cams is they
are mostly put in by private companies that get a cut and there is no
appeal process.


These aren't all quite the same thing. Black boxes are something not
everyone even knows about and I can't think of a way for the driver to
defeat it, but OnStar, LoJack, and I-Pass are the driver's choice.
You can opt-out or not buy any of those. OnStar is based on the cell
phone network, and it makes no pretension of privacy. Use it at your
own risk. You also don't have to use the IPass lanes.

Why not look at the safety benefits of enforcing traffic signals,
especially as a cyclist?

How do you know there aren't procedures in place that prevent all-but-
necessary access to your information?

Data security is a strong consideration for some other systems under
development.

Ken Freeman
 




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