Bystolic (Nebivolol)

Today, my cardio switched me from 25 mg metoprolol twice daily to 5 mg
Bystolic (Nebivolol), I think it's 2x daily (need to ask to make
certain). From what he told me and from what I can figure out from the
wikipedia entry, this beta blocker doesn't have the same negative
effect on VO2max that metoprolol. Anyone else have any experience with
Bystolic?

thanks,

Brad Anders

On Aug 17, 1:22*pm, "Paul B. Anders" wrote:
Today, my cardio switched me from 25 mg metoprolol twice daily to 5 mg
Bystolic (Nebivolol), I think it's 2x daily (need to ask to make
certain). From what he told me and from what I can figure out from the
wikipedia entry, this beta blocker doesn't have the same negative
effect on VO2max that metoprolol. Anyone else have any experience with
Bystolic?

Found this, looks encouraging.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k23u225t07602111/

Brad Anders

Paul B. Anders wrote:

On Aug 17, 1:22Â*pm, "Paul B. Anders" wrote:
Today, my cardio switched me from 25 mg metoprolol twice daily to 5 mg
Bystolic (Nebivolol), I think it's 2x daily (need to ask to make
certain). From what he told me and from what I can figure out from the
wikipedia entry, this beta blocker doesn't have the same negative
effect on VO2max that metoprolol. Anyone else have any experience with
Bystolic?

Found this, looks encouraging.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k23u225t07602111/

Now all you need is a program that will culminate in you
winning some fatty master training rides again.

On Aug 18, 11:29*am, Donald Munro wrote:
Paul B. Anders wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:22*pm, "Paul B. Anders" wrote:
Today, my cardio switched me from 25 mg metoprolol twice daily to 5 mg
Bystolic (Nebivolol), I think it's 2x daily (need to ask to make
certain). From what he told me and from what I can figure out from the
wikipedia entry, this beta blocker doesn't have the same negative
effect on VO2max that metoprolol. Anyone else have any experience with
Bystolic?

Found this, looks encouraging.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k23u225t07602111/

Now all you need is a program that will culminate in you
winning some fatty master training rides again.

Well, when you come down to it, that's exactly what this is about.
After I went on metoprolol, it took enough of my edge away that guys
who I used to beat could clean my clock, which ****ed me off to no
end. So, I jacked up my training, but I found out that I just didn't
improve that much when I was on that stuff. So, like any whining
cyclist, I'd constantly remind everyone that I was on a beta blocker
and that's why I sucked. Now, if this new one really works, and I
actually was being affected by the old one (probably complete BS),
then I should recover some form, and I can STILL claim to be on a beta
blocker and make the guys I ride with feel even more lame.

This is why I love cycling so much.

Brad Anders

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,
"Paul B. Anders" wrote:

On Aug 18, 11:29*am, Donald Munro wrote:
Paul B. Anders wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:22*pm, "Paul B. Anders" wrote:
Today, my cardio switched me from 25 mg metoprolol twice daily to 5 mg
Bystolic (Nebivolol), I think it's 2x daily (need to ask to make
certain). From what he told me and from what I can figure out from the
wikipedia entry, this beta blocker doesn't have the same negative
effect on VO2max that metoprolol. Anyone else have any experience with
Bystolic?

Found this, looks encouraging.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k23u225t07602111/

Now all you need is a program that will culminate in you
winning some fatty master training rides again.

Well, when you come down to it, that's exactly what this is about.
After I went on metoprolol, it took enough of my edge away that guys
who I used to beat could clean my clock, which ****ed me off to no
end. So, I jacked up my training, but I found out that I just didn't
improve that much when I was on that stuff. So, like any whining
cyclist, I'd constantly remind everyone that I was on a beta blocker
and that's why I sucked. Now, if this new one really works, and I
actually was being affected by the old one (probably complete BS),
then I should recover some form, and I can STILL claim to be on a beta
blocker and make the guys I ride with feel even more lame.

This is why I love cycling so much.

Brad Anders

Have you considered a course of EPO? That should get you back in fine
form.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Donald Munro wrote:
Now all you need is a program that will culminate in you
winning some fatty master training rides again.

Paul B. Anders wrote:
Well, when you come down to it, that's exactly what this is about.
After I went on metoprolol, it took enough of my edge away that guys
who I used to beat could clean my clock, which ****ed me off to no
end. So, I jacked up my training, but I found out that I just didn't
improve that much when I was on that stuff. So, like any whining
cyclist, I'd constantly remind everyone that I was on a beta blocker
and that's why I sucked. Now, if this new one really works, and I
actually was being affected by the old one (probably complete BS),
then I should recover some form, and I can STILL claim to be on a beta
blocker and make the guys I ride with feel even more lame.

This is why I love cycling so much.

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
Have you considered a course of EPO? That should get you back in fine
form.

Perhaps he can get a TUE for EPO, or failing that he could really make
Magilla's day and get an asthma TUE.

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
Have you considered a course of EPO? That should get you back in fine
form.

You know, this is one of the last places I'd look for
medical advice.

Brad, have you considered shots of ouzo?

Bob Schwartz

On Aug 18, 10:06*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article
,
*"Paul B. Anders" wrote:





On Aug 18, 11:29*am, Donald Munro wrote:
Paul B. Anders wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:22*pm, "Paul B. Anders" wrote:
Today, my cardio switched me from 25 mg metoprolol twice daily to 5 mg
Bystolic (Nebivolol), I think it's 2x daily (need to ask to make
certain). From what he told me and from what I can figure out from the
wikipedia entry, this beta blocker doesn't have the same negative
effect on VO2max that metoprolol. Anyone else have any experience with
Bystolic?

Found this, looks encouraging.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k23u225t07602111/

Now all you need is a program that will culminate in you
winning some fatty master training rides again.

Well, when you come down to it, that's exactly what this is about.
After I went on metoprolol, it took enough of my edge away that guys
who I used to beat could clean my clock, which ****ed me off to no
end. So, I jacked up my training, but I found out that I just didn't
improve that much when I was on that stuff. So, like any whining
cyclist, I'd constantly remind everyone that I was on a beta blocker
and that's why I sucked. Now, if this new one really works, and I
actually was being affected by the old one (probably complete BS),
then I should recover some form, and I can STILL claim to be on a beta
blocker and make the guys I ride with feel even more lame.

This is why I love cycling so much.

Brad Anders

Have you considered a course of EPO? That should get you back in fine
form.

I actually have had some EPO. After my surgery I had a bleeder in my
chest when I was in the ICU and my crit dropped to 24, so they gave me
a couple of units and put me on EPO. I have to say it worked, too,
because I could kick the ass of every single 80-year-old recovering
bypass patient on the ward when we did our daily laps around the
halls.

BTW, if you ever want to convince yourself of the need to stay in good
cardiovascular shape and do the right things to avoid CAD, spend a
couple of hours in the cardiac ward and look at all the 60+ guys who
are in there for bypass.

Brad Anders

Paul B. Anders wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:22 pm, "Paul B. Anders" wrote:
Today, my cardio switched me from 25 mg metoprolol twice daily to 5 mg
Bystolic (Nebivolol), I think it's 2x daily (need to ask to make
certain). From what he told me and from what I can figure out from the
wikipedia entry, this beta blocker doesn't have the same negative
effect on VO2max that metoprolol. Anyone else have any experience with
Bystolic?

Found this, looks encouraging.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k23u225t07602111/

Brad Anders

Brad, what are you taking the metoprolol for?

"Paul B. Anders" wrote in message
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Today, my cardio switched me from 25 mg metoprolol twice daily to 5 mg
Bystolic (Nebivolol), I think it's 2x daily (need to ask to make
certain). From what he told me and from what I can figure out from the
wikipedia entry, this beta blocker doesn't have the same negative
effect on VO2max that metoprolol. Anyone else have any experience with
Bystolic?

thanks,

Brad Anders

I'm not a doctor (well, I am, but not that kind) but isn't one of the
effects (side effects?) of beta blockers to keep your heart from beating
too fast? It's not necessarily that they directly have an adverse
effect on VO2Max, just that if you can't get your heart rate up, you're
limiting one of the many things you need to get the O2 maximally out to
where it's needed.

Anyway, the link you gave in your other message does indeed make this
sound like a promising beta blocker. At the risk of asking the obvious,
have you tried other methods of lowering your blood pressure, e.g., diet
(both what and how much you eat)?

-S-