White Lightning vs. Purple Extreme

About a month ago I posted a question to you. I was looking for an
alternative to White Lightning. Someone suggested Purple Extreme. I gave
it a try. I thought you might be intrested in the results.

I used it for over 1,000 and was very happy with it. The chain was quieter
and the bike shifted better. I recently put a new chain on the bike and
thought I would document the difference. For the first 150 miles I used
White Lightning. Then photographed the chain. I then thoroughly cleaned
the chain and used Purple Extreme. At 150 miles I, once again,
photographed the chain. I rode the same road on both tests. (Wisconsin
back roads, generally blacktop or seal coated)

Purple extreme is the clear winner!

See for yourself, Purple Extreme on the top, White lightning on the bottom.
http://nanandmont.com/fm/chain-comp.jpg

Thanks
Monty

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:31:53 GMT, "Monty"
wrote:

About a month ago I posted a question to you. I was looking for an
alternative to White Lightning. Someone suggested Purple Extreme. I gave
it a try. I thought you might be intrested in the results.

I used it for over 1,000 and was very happy with it. The chain was quieter
and the bike shifted better. I recently put a new chain on the bike and
thought I would document the difference. For the first 150 miles I used
White Lightning. Then photographed the chain. I then thoroughly cleaned
the chain and used Purple Extreme. At 150 miles I, once again,
photographed the chain. I rode the same road on both tests. (Wisconsin
back roads, generally blacktop or seal coated)

Purple extreme is the clear winner!

See for yourself, Purple Extreme on the top, White lightning on the bottom.
http://nanandmont.com/fm/chain-comp.jpg

Thanks
Monty


Dear Monty,

Are the two pictures of the same side of the same chain? The
stamped markings are quite different.

The lower picture looks considerably dirtier than the upper
one, but external dirt is not usually considered much of an
indicator of chain wear, noise, or shifting performance, is
it?

Carl Fogel

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:31:53 GMT, "Monty"
wrote:

About a month ago I posted a question to you. I was looking for an
alternative to White Lightning. Someone suggested Purple Extreme. I gave
it a try. I thought you might be intrested in the results.

I used it for over 1,000 and was very happy with it. The chain was quieter
and the bike shifted better. I recently put a new chain on the bike and
thought I would document the difference. For the first 150 miles I used
White Lightning. Then photographed the chain. I then thoroughly cleaned
the chain and used Purple Extreme. At 150 miles I, once again,
photographed the chain. I rode the same road on both tests. (Wisconsin
back roads, generally blacktop or seal coated)

Purple extreme is the clear winner!

See for yourself, Purple Extreme on the top, White lightning on the bottom.
http://nanandmont.com/fm/chain-comp.jpg

Thanks
Monty


Dear Monty,

Are the two pictures of the same side of the same chain? The
stamped markings are quite different.

The lower picture looks considerably dirtier than the upper
one, but external dirt is not usually considered much of an
indicator of chain wear, noise, or shifting performance, is
it?

Carl Fogel

Yes, it is the same sime of the chain (DA10) Some of the links do have
different stampings on them.
I think a dirty chain, with buildup, will cause compant wear.

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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:31:53 GMT, "Monty"
wrote:

About a month ago I posted a question to you. I was looking for an
alternative to White Lightning. Someone suggested Purple Extreme. I
gave
it a try. I thought you might be intrested in the results.

I used it for over 1,000 and was very happy with it. The chain was
quieter
and the bike shifted better. I recently put a new chain on the bike and
thought I would document the difference. For the first 150 miles I used
White Lightning. Then photographed the chain. I then thoroughly cleaned
the chain and used Purple Extreme. At 150 miles I, once again,
photographed the chain. I rode the same road on both tests. (Wisconsin
back roads, generally blacktop or seal coated)

Purple extreme is the clear winner!

See for yourself, Purple Extreme on the top, White lightning on the
bottom.
http://nanandmont.com/fm/chain-comp.jpg

Thanks
Monty


Dear Monty,

Are the two pictures of the same side of the same chain? The
stamped markings are quite different.

The lower picture looks considerably dirtier than the upper
one, but external dirt is not usually considered much of an
indicator of chain wear, noise, or shifting performance, is
it?

Carl Fogel

Yes, it is the same sime of the chain (DA10) Some of the links do have
different stampings on them.
I think a dirty chain, with buildup, will cause compant wear.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:31:53 GMT, "Monty"
wrote:

About a month ago I posted a question to you. I was looking for an
alternative to White Lightning. Someone suggested Purple Extreme. I
gave
it a try. I thought you might be intrested in the results.

I used it for over 1,000 and was very happy with it. The chain was
quieter
and the bike shifted better. I recently put a new chain on the bike and
thought I would document the difference. For the first 150 miles I used
White Lightning. Then photographed the chain. I then thoroughly cleaned
the chain and used Purple Extreme. At 150 miles I, once again,
photographed the chain. I rode the same road on both tests. (Wisconsin
back roads, generally blacktop or seal coated)

Purple extreme is the clear winner!

See for yourself, Purple Extreme on the top, White lightning on the
bottom.
http://nanandmont.com/fm/chain-comp.jpg

Thanks
Monty


Dear Monty,

Are the two pictures of the same side of the same chain? The
stamped markings are quite different.

The lower picture looks considerably dirtier than the upper
one, but external dirt is not usually considered much of an
indicator of chain wear, noise, or shifting performance, is
it?

Carl Fogel

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:54:10 -0600, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:31:53 GMT, "Monty"
wrote:

About a month ago I posted a question to you. I was looking for an
alternative to White Lightning. Someone suggested Purple Extreme. I gave
it a try. I thought you might be intrested in the results.

I used it for over 1,000 and was very happy with it. The chain was quieter
and the bike shifted better. I recently put a new chain on the bike and
thought I would document the difference. For the first 150 miles I used
White Lightning. Then photographed the chain. I then thoroughly cleaned
the chain and used Purple Extreme. At 150 miles I, once again,
photographed the chain. I rode the same road on both tests. (Wisconsin
back roads, generally blacktop or seal coated)

Purple extreme is the clear winner!

See for yourself, Purple Extreme on the top, White lightning on the bottom.
http://nanandmont.com/fm/chain-comp.jpg

Thanks
Monty


Dear Monty,

Are the two pictures of the same side of the same chain? The
stamped markings are quite different.

The lower picture looks considerably dirtier than the upper
one, but external dirt is not usually considered much of an
indicator of chain wear, noise, or shifting performance, is
it?

Carl Fogel


A dirty chain's future is a short one.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:54:10 -0600, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:31:53 GMT, "Monty"
wrote:

About a month ago I posted a question to you. I was looking for an
alternative to White Lightning. Someone suggested Purple Extreme. I gave
it a try. I thought you might be intrested in the results.

I used it for over 1,000 and was very happy with it. The chain was quieter
and the bike shifted better. I recently put a new chain on the bike and
thought I would document the difference. For the first 150 miles I used
White Lightning. Then photographed the chain. I then thoroughly cleaned
the chain and used Purple Extreme. At 150 miles I, once again,
photographed the chain. I rode the same road on both tests. (Wisconsin
back roads, generally blacktop or seal coated)

Purple extreme is the clear winner!

See for yourself, Purple Extreme on the top, White lightning on the bottom.
http://nanandmont.com/fm/chain-comp.jpg

Thanks
Monty


Dear Monty,

Are the two pictures of the same side of the same chain? The
stamped markings are quite different.

The lower picture looks considerably dirtier than the upper
one, but external dirt is not usually considered much of an
indicator of chain wear, noise, or shifting performance, is
it?

Carl Fogel


A dirty chain's future is a short one.

In article , "Monty"
writes:

About a month ago I posted a question to you. I was looking for an
alternative to White Lightning. Someone suggested Purple Extreme. I gave
it a try. I thought you might be intrested in the results.

I used it for over 1,000 and was very happy with it. The chain was quieter
and the bike shifted better. I recently put a new chain on the bike and
thought I would document the difference. For the first 150 miles I used
White Lightning. Then photographed the chain. I then thoroughly cleaned
the chain and used Purple Extreme. At 150 miles I, once again,
photographed the chain. I rode the same road on both tests. (Wisconsin
back roads, generally blacktop or seal coated)

Purple extreme is the clear winner!

See for yourself, Purple Extreme on the top, White lightning on the bottom.

Dirt on the outside of the chain does not mean a longer lasting chain. It's
the lubrication and lack of dirt on the inside that counts.

Here's a challenge for you: mark your chain into two halves and lube one half
with "Purple Extreme" and the other half with WL. Measure the halves for
elongation (AKA "stretch") at intervals and report on which lubrication
produces the longest lived chain (the half that gets to 12 1/16 over 24 links
first)

For those that are interested (and didn't see this the first time I posted it)
here is my comparison method of two different chain maintainence methods:

To interject some real data into the chain lubrication debate I devised the
following method for comparing two methods.

1. Take one PC-48 chain, size it for the bike and then "break" it into two
equal sections
2. Join the two sections with second "Power Link."
3. Mark a section by cutting a shallow "+" sign in a rivet with a Dremel and a
cut off wheel so the individual chain sections would always be cleaned by the
same method.
4. Clean one section (called "washed") by thrashing it in paint thinner,
changing the thinner until there is a clean wash. It took 5-6 to do this. I
always used fresh (instead of thinner that was being reused by allowing it to
settle prior to being filtered through a coffee filter) thinner for the last
2-3 washes.
5. Clean the other section (called "unwashed") by throughly wiping it off with
a rag and then brushing it with a tooth brush.
6. Otherwise treat both sections exactly the same oiling both with Quaker State
chain saw bar oil.
7. Measure the chain sections as follows:
a. hang the chain section with a five pound weight on it (a set of
automobile cable chains).
b. measure with an 18 inch ruler that is ruled to 1/32 in the first inch.
Using that long a ruler allowed us to measure between the 1 inch
mark and the 13 inch mark so we could use that first inch and
extrapolate to 1/64.
c. have my wife confirm the measurements (we argued about them several
times).
8. Put the chain back together, oil it, wipe it down to remove excess oil,
replace it on the bike and ride it until the chain needs cleaning again.
9. Repeat until 24 links in one section measures 12 1/16.

Tom Gibb

In article , "Monty"
writes:

About a month ago I posted a question to you. I was looking for an
alternative to White Lightning. Someone suggested Purple Extreme. I gave
it a try. I thought you might be intrested in the results.

I used it for over 1,000 and was very happy with it. The chain was quieter
and the bike shifted better. I recently put a new chain on the bike and
thought I would document the difference. For the first 150 miles I used
White Lightning. Then photographed the chain. I then thoroughly cleaned
the chain and used Purple Extreme. At 150 miles I, once again,
photographed the chain. I rode the same road on both tests. (Wisconsin
back roads, generally blacktop or seal coated)

Purple extreme is the clear winner!

See for yourself, Purple Extreme on the top, White lightning on the bottom.

Dirt on the outside of the chain does not mean a longer lasting chain. It's
the lubrication and lack of dirt on the inside that counts.

Here's a challenge for you: mark your chain into two halves and lube one half
with "Purple Extreme" and the other half with WL. Measure the halves for
elongation (AKA "stretch") at intervals and report on which lubrication
produces the longest lived chain (the half that gets to 12 1/16 over 24 links
first)

For those that are interested (and didn't see this the first time I posted it)
here is my comparison method of two different chain maintainence methods:

To interject some real data into the chain lubrication debate I devised the
following method for comparing two methods.

1. Take one PC-48 chain, size it for the bike and then "break" it into two
equal sections
2. Join the two sections with second "Power Link."
3. Mark a section by cutting a shallow "+" sign in a rivet with a Dremel and a
cut off wheel so the individual chain sections would always be cleaned by the
same method.
4. Clean one section (called "washed") by thrashing it in paint thinner,
changing the thinner until there is a clean wash. It took 5-6 to do this. I
always used fresh (instead of thinner that was being reused by allowing it to
settle prior to being filtered through a coffee filter) thinner for the last
2-3 washes.
5. Clean the other section (called "unwashed") by throughly wiping it off with
a rag and then brushing it with a tooth brush.
6. Otherwise treat both sections exactly the same oiling both with Quaker State
chain saw bar oil.
7. Measure the chain sections as follows:
a. hang the chain section with a five pound weight on it (a set of
automobile cable chains).
b. measure with an 18 inch ruler that is ruled to 1/32 in the first inch.
Using that long a ruler allowed us to measure between the 1 inch
mark and the 13 inch mark so we could use that first inch and
extrapolate to 1/64.
c. have my wife confirm the measurements (we argued about them several
times).
8. Put the chain back together, oil it, wipe it down to remove excess oil,
replace it on the bike and ride it until the chain needs cleaning again.
9. Repeat until 24 links in one section measures 12 1/16.

Tom Gibb

On 25 Jul 2004 17:56:14 GMT, (TBGibb) wrote:

Here's a challenge for you: mark your chain into two halves and lube one half
with "Purple Extreme" and the other half with WL. Measure the halves for
elongation (AKA "stretch") at intervals and report on which lubrication
produces the longest lived chain (the half that gets to 12 1/16 over 24 links
first)

Won't the lubes mix as they transfer via the cogs?

Your greatly-appreciated chain cleaning & lube effects test didn't
have that problem since the same lube was used for both halves.
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