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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
On Mar 15, 8:17*am, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 14, 9:48*pm, Tony Raven wrote: Derek C wrote: Isn't time also a finite resource? *Driving from London to Scotland takes for ever driving *at 70 mph. Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. *Less time than it takes to drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering wheel. I thought you could read, snooze, watch a movie and eat in a car as well? You can if you're not driving. And you can snooze better in the knowledge that you won't be carried beyond your destination if oversleep, and there won't be some weirdo staring at you when you sleep or some git trying to nick your stuff.... If it's OK to want private space at home, why is it suddenly so awfully selfish and unsustainable to want the same thing on the move? I saw a cabbie with an ipod propped up on his dashboard watching cricket the other day and eating and reading are very commonplace as is falling asleep at the wheel. Falling asleep at the wheel is "very commonplace"? Ah, that explains why I'm constantly having to dodge cars as they veer randomly off the road.... |
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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
Derek C wrote:
And the rail fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger, which is not true for a car. You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? But it keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything. Tony * e.g. http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/special-offers/3plus/ |
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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
On Mar 15, 12:18*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:
Falling asleep at the wheel is "very commonplace"? *Ah, that explains why I'm constantly having to dodge cars as they veer randomly off the road.... Yes, one clown ended up killing 10 people and 82 people suffered serious injuries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selby_rail_crash http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep-deprived_driving "According to a 1998 survey, 23% of adults have fallen asleep while driving.[1] According to the United States Department of Transportation, male drivers admit to have fallen asleep while driving twice as much as female drivers.[2] In the United States, 250,000 drivers fall asleep at the wheel everyday, according to the Division of Sleep Medicine at Harvard Medical School and in a national poll by the National Sleep Foundation, 54% of adult drivers said they had driven while drowsy during the past year with 28% saying they had actually fallen asleep while driving. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, drowsy driving is a factor in more than 100,000 crashes, resulting in 1,550 deaths and 40,000 injuries annually" -- Simon Mason |
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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
On Mar 15, 1:00*pm, Tony Raven wrote:
Derek C wrote: And the rail fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger, which is not true for a car. You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? *But it keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything. Tony, do you oppose the motorway speed limit being raised to 80mph? If so, why? |
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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
On Mar 15, 2:26*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:
On Mar 15, 1:00*pm, Tony Raven wrote: Derek C wrote: And the rail fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger, which is not true for a car. You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? *But it keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything. Tony, do you oppose the motorway speed limit being raised to 80mph? If so, why? It wastes fuel and would mean the de facto speed limit would really be 80 + 8 + 3 mph = 91mph as opposed to the near 80mph a lot of people are *already* doing. -- Simon Mason |
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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
On Mar 15, 1:00*pm, Tony Raven wrote:
Derek C wrote: And the rail fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger, which is not true for a car. You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? *But it keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything. Tony * e.g.http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/special-offers/3plus/ Let me know when you find the Railcard that helps a couple in their 30s with no kids get from the East Midlands to London cheaper than taking the car. Colin |
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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 14, 9:48 pm, Tony Raven wrote: Derek C wrote: Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland takes for ever driving at 70 mph. Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. Less time than it takes to drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering wheel. I thought you could read, snooze, watch a movie and eat in a car as well? I saw a cabbie with an ipod propped up on his dashboard watching cricket the other day and eating and reading are very commonplace as is falling asleep at the wheel. I fell asleep at the wheel last week. What a mess. Clay everywhere. |
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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
On Mar 15, 2:42*pm, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 15, 2:26*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote: On Mar 15, 1:00*pm, Tony Raven wrote: Derek C wrote: And the rail fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger, which is not true for a car. You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? *But it keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything. Tony, do you oppose the motorway speed limit being raised to 80mph? If so, why? It wastes fuel Self-regulating. People don't need a speed limit to go slowly if they want to save fuel. If they don't want to save fuel, and are happy to pay the extortionate prices for more, that's up to them, as this is a free, capitalist society, despite some wishing otherwise. In any event, speed limits should only be about safety, as that's why they carry points. The idea of someone being banned from driving for using fuel inefficiently four times must surely be ludicrous even to you. and would mean the de facto speed limit would really be 80 + 8 + 3 mph = 91mph as opposed to the near 80mph a lot of people are *already* doing. Actually the ACPO guidelines are that enforcement starts at 10% + 2mph, not 10% + 3mph. And in answer to your point, so what? What is so specifically dangerous about 90mph in good conditions, other than "Oh shock horror, it's a whole 20mph above the current limit"? Why should the limit be 70mph in particular? Can you answer that without referring to the fact that it's already 70mph? It seems that you're effectively saying "The speed limit shouldn't be raised because the speed limit shouldn't be raised". The Cumbria "Safety" Camera Partnership currently sends out tickets to anyone they zap doing 79mph or above on the M6, rain or shine, deserted or otherwise. What you're saying is not only that that's right and proper because "the law is the law", but that the law can't possibly be changed, and that 79mph threshold can't possibly be raised, because it would just be too dangerous. It's actually necessary to ticket people doing 79mph, every single time it's detected, not just because it's illegal, but because it's so fast that it's unsafe. I'm sorry, that's just barking. Do you think 80mph on an unrestricted Autobahn is dangerous? You're saying 80mph would be dangerous even if it were allowed here, so surely it must be dangerous in Germany as well? Still, fair play to you, at least you've had a go at explaining why you oppose an 80mph limit, unlike Squawk and Chapman, who seem to be really struggling for excuses to support the 70mph restriction with "think of the cyclists" removed from their arsenal. Ah, the trials and tribulations of being a car-hater who won't admit to being a car- hater. BTW I heard that a judge shoplifted on his way to work this morning. Oh no, sorry, he was speeding. But I know that for you, it's the same whichever he did. ;-) |
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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
On Mar 15, 5:24*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:
and would mean the de facto speed limit would really be 80 + 8 + 3 mph = 91mph as opposed to the near 80mph a lot of people are *already* doing. Actually the ACPO guidelines are that enforcement starts at 10% + 2mph, not 10% + 3mph. * Each force has its own guidelines. +3mph is an average. Ours is much higher than your example. "MOTORISTS will be able to travel at speeds of up to 39mph in a 30mph zone without being fined and given penalty points, the Mail can reveal. Humberside Police want more offenders to attend a Speed Awareness Course (SAC) designed to educate drivers. Under present rules, drivers travelling at ten per cent over the limit, plus between two and four miles per hour, are given the opportunity to pay £75 to attend an SAC, instead of receiving a fine and points on their licence. It means that, currently, drivers caught travelling at 37mph and above in a 30mph zone are prosecuted, while those driving at between 35mph and 37mph have the option of an SAC. But police intend to increase the threshold next month to use a 10 per cent plus two to six miles per hour rule. The change means drivers caught travelling at speeds up to 39mph in a built-up area will not necessarily be prosecuted." So much for the "war on the motorist" and that's in built up areas. Anyway - it's OT for urc now. http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...l/article.html -- Simon Mason |
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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
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Hash: SHA1 On 15/03/2011 08:17, Simon Mason wrote: On Mar 14, 9:48 pm, Tony Raven wrote: Derek C wrote: Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland takes for ever driving at 70 mph. Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. Less time than it takes to drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering wheel. I thought you could read, snooze, watch a movie and eat in a car as well? I saw a cabbie with an ipod propped up on his dashboard watching cricket the other day and eating and reading are very commonplace as is falling asleep at the wheel. My car has a TV in the dash. With tuner. Not sure how it will cope with the analogue switchoff, and I'm unlikely to find out as I have not even bothered tuning it in. - -- Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed to be worth at least what you paid for them. PGP public key at http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/pgp-public.key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNf7HyAAoJEJx9ogI8T+W/lCcIAKqyDKOpYD86KJlp0a4ceuDh M+CbIOAeiT8rxmougVSi3+1vFj/AV/8NnQ9uWLu8eLM/zBbfK8ViYUZ00F4PjVWK erLKrldu2bmRe5TrG4J6JTWXBMQUzShXigLgae5dVSx+eOVZrA LtepPMKpAqg/XW IYoAvMwRAMT/mmzgaCVidazakS4T2Ga60xgCKvjYR9vcgGV0ee+jMSQD4MuaIA 8j kuyzNBiu1tIdu4XKkl1pk7O8w/CKKDhsJmBPtNJPYI1srKlt7sK7yu4ma93R5pX+ vxr3BMR8+TKBWVokcHhHLnEx+xAMIQk7PFXr4/fi+nQVFra1VFYD+5rA5IZGkeE= =Jotx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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